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Dear Sam Altman: All Coherent and Fruitful Thought Is Restricted

26 点作者 pathdependent超过 7 年前

7 条评论

bthornbury超过 7 年前
A giant fallacious argument. Hard even to read. See examples below.<p>&gt; &quot;That your post elicited outrage from a large body of people who study sociology, politics, and culture should provide you with some evidence that, perhaps, you are wrong.&quot;<p>Argumentum ad populum. Appeal to Authority. Slightly softballed with the perhaps, but it doesn&#x27;t make it better.<p>If all we ever did was listen to the experts, the earth would be flat still.<p>&gt; &quot;So, maybe it’s a real problem when you share your thoughts on something you don’t understand.&quot;<p>Where&#x27;s the line where you&#x27;re &quot;understanding&quot; enough to talk about things?<p>I can&#x27;t get through the fallacious logic enough to see the real argument here.
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abnry超过 7 年前
What utter rubbish. All this says is that &quot;sociologists out there disagree hence you are wrong&quot;. The post is one giant appeal to authority. There is no discussion of why they disagree. Or that there is a consensus, or that different fundamental values may motivate different people.
CPLX超过 7 年前
I&#x27;m not sure why this post is getting such criticism.<p>The entire argument made here basically reduces to the concept &quot;if everyone around you is telling you you&#x27;re an asshole, the most probable conclusion is that you&#x27;re an asshole&quot; but in a more diplomatic way.<p>Which, having read the original post in question, seems a reasonable response.
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tsjackson超过 7 年前
Attention has quickly become our scarcest and most valuable resource, and filtering out noise is one of the most valuable services that can be provided. The no limits, &quot;let the good in with the bad&quot; approach is just not realistic at this point in human history.<p>Unfortunately, I don&#x27;t think that sociologists are going to find the answer alone. It will take others who can engage the theory, but not become swept away in it. What&#x27;s most troubling is that Sam Altman is just the sort of person who might be able to add value to the situation by taking a complex issue and thinking really hard about how to deal with it. We need to develop nuanced mechanisms of combatting misinformation and filtering out truly impoverished arguments while letting in unusual, perhaps even incorrect, but potentially valuable ones. Instead he merely repeated dogma of a &quot;marketplace of ideas&quot; model of the world that is clearly inconsistent with the evidence all around us.<p>This is, at least in part, a technical problem. Zuckerberg seems to be waking up to the role of the failed marketplace of ideas in creating the political monstrosity that we are dealing with now. He seems to be at least thinking through how to deal with it. But it&#x27;s going to require a lot more than one organization to figure out how to communication must change in an era where the value of talk is so much lower and the value of the attentional resources required to truly listen are so much higher.
zackliscio超过 7 年前
The rails metaphor is especially weak here. The author&#x27;s argument conflates the idea of rejecting an established field of knowledge outright with Altman&#x27;s critique of the absolute way in which some ideas have become taboo in society.
arkona超过 7 年前
Tl;dr? This is word salad and isn’t saying anything other than “Sam Altman shouldn’t speak about this because he isn’t a sociologist”. Where is the author’s rebuttal?
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bobcostas55超过 7 年前
&gt;You are right on one part — culture acts as a filter upon collaboration. For some reason, you assume that the people who are harder to work with — those less capable of empathy or at least compassion — are the ones more likely to profitably explore the space of technological possibility. I’m not really sure how to address that.<p>Of course the people who are harder to work with are the ones on the bleeding edge! SSC had a great post on this[0]. What are the qualities that make a good scientist? Curiosity, open-mindedness, looking for errors in the dominant paradigm. Not coincidentally, these are also exactly the qualities that lead people to question the popular orthodoxies of the moment.<p>A good scientist would never be so absurdly naive to assume that society &quot;drawing a line&quot; necessarily &quot;limits harm&quot;. Society is often wrong. Society has drawn many, many stupid lines in the past and there is no reason to believe that we have moved beyond that.<p>Also, someone should alert the author about the replication crisis. There are extremely good reasons not to trust sociologists.<p>[0] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;slatestarcodex.com&#x2F;2017&#x2F;10&#x2F;23&#x2F;kolmogorov-complicity-and-the-parable-of-lightning&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;slatestarcodex.com&#x2F;2017&#x2F;10&#x2F;23&#x2F;kolmogorov-complicity-a...</a>