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Surgeon admits to branding initials on patients' livers

52 点作者 gridscomputing超过 7 年前

11 条评论

dvt超过 7 年前
The fact that people are defending this guy, or treating it as &quot;no big deal&quot; blows my mind. Just off the top of my head, a few ethical issues:<p><pre><code> - Breach of patient-doctor trust -- a very asymmetric relationship - Breach of the Hippocratic Oath (you don&#x27;t *burn* healthy tissue without good reason) - Permanent bodily modification without consent - *Multiple* offenses </code></pre> Should he have been terminated? Does the punishment fit the crime? Considering he was a leading surgeon in his field, I honestly don&#x27;t know. One would have to consider potential future lives saved compared to these ethical breaches.<p>It&#x27;s a tough call, for sure, but to exonerate him or, worse, downplay these egregious violations as &quot;victimless crimes&quot; is, to me, unfathomable.
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whiddershins超过 7 年前
Argh I don&#x27;t know enough abut medical ethics to know where the line is but for all the people rejoicing in the guy resigning, losing his license, being convicted of a crime, or any other horrible outcome ...<p>Please, please, really consider what it means to ruin someone&#x27;s life when advocating for a certain punishment. There&#x27;s a whole range of reactions between &quot;eh, no big deal&quot; and &quot;destroy his career!&quot;<p>Whatever the man did, what he didn&#x27;t do was kill anyone or permanently curtail someone&#x27;s professional life or put someone in a cell for days&#x2F;months&#x2F;years.<p>All of the punishments discussed also remove a functioning surgeon from being a contributing member of society.<p>I&#x27;m just saying, it&#x27;s worth thinking about.<p>I feel like we all get so self-righteous and don&#x27;t think about how much impact these punishments have. It&#x27;s like, a friend of mine always argued we should really bring back public spanking. Sounds like a joke, but her point was there should be a type of punishment that is the equivalent of society yelling a whole bunch at you very very sternly and making you feel very very embarrassed and then you moving on with your life and continuing to contribute to society.
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ggreer超过 7 年前
This isn&#x27;t the first time I&#x27;ve heard of such a thing. From <i>When the Air Hits Your Brain: Tales from Neurosurgery</i> by Frank Vertosick Jr:<p>&gt; “He’s a big fan of yours, too, pal, ever since the bone flap thing.” The bone flap incident had occurred early in Gary’s chief year. Fred and Gary were performing a cranial operation to remove a benign brain tumor. Fred had performed the entire operation himself—a grave insult to a chief resident, known as “stealing the case.” After Fred left the OR, further irritating the chief by dumping upon him the tedium of closing the wound, an angry Gary had engraved the phrase “Fred sucks” with the electrocautery knife on the inside of the bone flap, the plate of skull bone that is temporarily sawed away to gain access to the brain. He had then wired the flap back into place, thinking that the inside of the patient’s skull would never again see the light of day. Unfortunately, the bone flap developed a staph infection and had to be removed a week later. Once contaminated with bacteria, the free piece of skull must be removed to cure the infection. The soft spot is filled in with plastic several months later. Gary coerced me into assisting Fred with the surgical removal of the infected flap. I’ll never forget the almost unintelligible stream of invectives that spewed forth when Fred saw Gary’s skull graffitti. Fred was too embarrassed to send the discarded flap to the pathology department as it was, and we spent an hour drilling the message off the bone before allowing it to leave the OR.<p>Considering the type of personality that surgery attracts, I see why this happens. That said, I don&#x27;t think this is a common occurrence. (And it should go without saying, but such actions are unethical, unprofessional, and worthy of criminal charges.)
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bikitan超过 7 年前
Evokes a certain PBF comic: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;pbfcomics.com&#x2F;comics&#x2F;transfer-patient&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;pbfcomics.com&#x2F;comics&#x2F;transfer-patient&#x2F;</a>
dEnigma超过 7 年前
The branding itself is bad enough --to put another burden on the system of patients who are already in a bad enough state to need a transplant is just cruel-- but this also means that he prolonged the operation just to satisfy his vanity, possibly risking further complications, and wasting time that could benefit other patients.
mpnagle超过 7 年前
<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;pbfcomics.com&#x2F;comics&#x2F;transfer-patient&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;pbfcomics.com&#x2F;comics&#x2F;transfer-patient&#x2F;</a>
ggg9990超过 7 年前
Can&#x27;t believe anyone is defending this creep. What if your nanny wrote &quot;FUCKSTICK&quot; in washable marker on your baby&#x27;s face but made sure to wash it off before you came home?
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twiss超过 7 年前
Related sketch, &quot;surgeon pranks&quot;: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;MR76R4gaC48" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;MR76R4gaC48</a>. Doesn&#x27;t seem as absurd now.
KiDD超过 7 年前
If I ever get surgery again I will be sure to give the surgeon permission to leave his mark! Just don&#x27;t kill me bro...
orliesaurus超过 7 年前
Luckily no one was harmed.
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JSONwebtoken超过 7 年前
Honestly if he had asked for my consent, I might have thought about letting him brand my organ, it&#x27;s not like anyone will see it or care. It might mean he takes more pride in his work and thus do a better job.<p>I understand a professional wanting to &quot;sign off&quot; on their work; programmers, scientists, artists, engineers and so forth really like putting their name on things so why not doctors?<p>If he were forthcoming maybe only 10% of patients might agree to it, but that should probably be enough to scratch some egotistic itch.
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