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How a PR Agency Stole Our Kickstarter Money

172 点作者 iamdeedubs超过 7 年前

17 条评论

nimos超过 7 年前
I don&#x27;t know why but it kind of rubs me the wrong way PR agencies for Kickstarter&#x2F;crowd-funding even exist. I&#x27;d rather back something that had someone passionate with a shitty cell phone video over the generic sterile PR videos that everything seems to have now.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;Woodshedagency" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;Woodshedagency</a> The hashtags on their twitter description almost seem like satire.
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cr0sh超过 7 年前
If I were a backer of the KS, I think I would be pretty po&#x27;d to know that my money didn&#x27;t go to the people&#x2F;organization I was backing.<p>This is definitely something that needs to go to the courts; it has to be a form of financial fraud, and depending on the amount raised by the KS, it could end up being a fairly big deal.<p>As it is, if I were a backer, I would feel like I had been defrauded in some manner. Even if I got the &quot;prize&quot; (game) in the end, when I back a KS, I don&#x27;t do it solely for the item or prize being offered for being a backer, but because I want to see someone succeed with their ideas and company.
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cypherpunks01超过 7 年前
Nobody has mentioned the irony of the actual game:<p>&quot;Upstart is a board game that simulates the ups and down [sic] of starting and sustaining a business.&quot;<p>A 3rd party contractor&#x2F;service provider stealing your money is certainly one of the &quot;downs&quot; of running a business.
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joshuaheard超过 7 年前
You violated my number one rule of business: never, ever, give a contractor your money unless and until they have earned it. I learned this the hard way as well. I own several rental properties, and I don&#x27;t let the property managers collect the rent; I collect it myself (using ViewPost email invoicing).<p>You don&#x27;t explain, but I don&#x27;t understand why you couldn&#x27;t open a bank account. Citizenship is not required. There are online agencies as well, such as Paypal. Was the problem on Kickstarter&#x27;s side? It seems to me they would have provisions for international clients.<p>I wish you luck, and am glad you are able to warn people. Out of state lawsuits against out of business corporations (I assume they are out of business, or are about to be) are difficult to collect, but hiring a lawyer is a necessary first step.
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scaryclam超过 7 年前
Looks like Woodshed agency have given their side of the story, and D-Cal are not exactly an innocent party in all of this: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@jeff_52578&#x2F;how-a-failed-kickstarter-campaign-told-the-world-half-the-story-and-painted-us-as-crowdfunding-b0582fd11f93" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@jeff_52578&#x2F;how-a-failed-kickstarter-camp...</a>
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stablemap超过 7 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;Woodshedagency&#x2F;status&#x2F;943508162002513923" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;Woodshedagency&#x2F;status&#x2F;943508162002513923</a>
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busterarm超过 7 年前
This is well into &quot;criminal complaint&quot; territory.
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late2part超过 7 年前
There are a few things about this I don’t understand. How much money was it? Were they supposed to get a percentage of money raised, or did they get paid a fee and then get a percentage on top? Do I understand correctly that they’re having money problems so they kept your money to solve their money problems? The simple way to solve this is to take them to court. Is there anything more to the story than you trusted them with your money and they kept it?
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dmitrygr超过 7 年前
Woodshed replied: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@jeff_52578&#x2F;how-a-failed-kickstarter-campaign-told-the-world-half-the-story-and-painted-us-as-crowdfunding-6fd0adf91c45" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@jeff_52578&#x2F;how-a-failed-kickstarter-camp...</a>
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LaundroMat超过 7 年前
I can imagine one scenario where Woodshed was in dire financial straits and calculated that the brand damage resulting from keeping the game developer&#x27;s money was worth it.
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soared超过 7 年前
I don&#x27;t buy this story. The entire post is one sided - am I really supposed to believe some pr agency straight up stole your money? And now 7 months later you are &quot;doing what we can on a legal front&quot;?<p>This is a perfect example of why we should all follow the &quot;innocent until proven guilty&quot; idea. There is no proof, no chance for the agency to refute claims, etc.<p>Convenient that they are also asking for more financing.
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devdad超过 7 年前
I really don&#x27;t understand the mentality that you should act as your opponent is a decent person while at the same time claim that they&#x27;re spreading lies. If someone would act like this against me, I would try to crush them in court. I&#x27;d never act as I like them. Is this an American cultural thing? Or maybe a crowdfunding thing?<p>If Woodshed are to be believed, D-Cal has basically tried to crush their reputation. They did the right thing not responding to tweets.
DoreenMichele超过 7 年前
As others are noting, it is one side of the story and very blamey. I think this could have been written differently and been on very solid ground instead of the smear campaign it is. A better framing might be:<p>Lessons learned:<p>1. If you are not US-based, be aware that there are extra challenges wrt actually getting your money and it may take additional time to handle that piece, so don&#x27;t delay setting that up and thereby get yourself inti a scheduling mess like we did, which is what led to this decision.<p>2. Be aware that a favor of this sort from a non bank business is risky. All kinds of things can go wrong.<p>3. If you can&#x27;t get your ducks in a row to make this work properly, it may be a de fecto waste of time. We still haven&#x27;t gotten our money, but made it work anyway. I would have had more time and energy for side projects etc had I not been wasting my time on this debacle.<p>4. Woodshed told us they are &quot;reorganizing,&quot; which sounds like our money is being used as a free bridge loan. If so, that&#x27;s an abuse of our naive trust. It also does not look good that they have largely stopped communicating with us. However, I still hope they do the right thing and get our money to us.<p>--<p>Of course, if they had that level of diplomatic skill in house, they might not feel they need a PR company. So, it sort of isn&#x27;t shocking that they don&#x27;t really know how to do this well, all things considered. The diplomancers they thought they hired to help craft their public communications are the very people with whom they have a conflict.<p>I will add that part of the reason to handle it this way is to cover your own butt, not to be &quot;nice&quot; to people who are probably assholes, by the sound of it.
tjpaudio超过 7 年前
I find it absolutely amazing that they would let someone else handle the money that represents the life of their business. Hard to feel sorry for them. No doubt the correct thing to do would have been to delay the campaign until the banking issues were resolved. This was an amateur mistake. Yea it would be nice if we lived in a world where we could be naive and let strangers handle our money without fear but we all know thats just not the case and not prudent even if it was. I don&#x27;t feel sorry for this project, lesson learned they won&#x27;t make the same mistake again.
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keypusher超过 7 年前
If only there was some way to send and receive money, using the internet, that didn&#x27;t rely on banks.
georgestephanis超过 7 年前
Sounds like someone needs to get a<p>(•_•)<p>( •_•)&gt;⌐■-■<p>(⌐■_■)<p>trip to the woodshed.
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the-dude超过 7 年前
What I feel is lacking from this postmortem is looking inwards : did you make mistakes and how did it affect the outcome.<p>Answer : we made a huge mistake to trust people with all our money. This mistake has led to all our problems.<p>I know it sounds obvious, but still.
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