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Twelve Days in Xinjiang: How China’s Surveillance State Overwhelms Daily Life

222 点作者 liscovich超过 7 年前

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jimmies超过 7 年前
I think one of the few really, really good things we have left in the US is that I _feel_ that I am trusted to do the right thing.<p>I was in Singapore, a rich, orderly state for an internship a couple of years ago. There were cameras everywhere: Cameras on the sidewalks, cameras on the staircases, cameras in residential apartments, cameras in the subway, cameras at the workplace. There were very few places I feel not watched. I have to hunt for them. This is very contrasted with the US, where mostly I feel that I have my privacy and trusted to do the right thing. That&#x27;s a very powerful feeling.<p>But that is going away with smartphone cameras and surveillance cameras. They are getting cheaper, and no one is here to be fighting against them. Maybe that&#x27;s a one-way road, there is not much we can do about it. Maybe that&#x27;s for the better, but somehow I feel life is much more boring that way.
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jruthers超过 7 年前
I&#x27;d really like to read more Chinese-from-China views on this kind of article.<p>Although the content of the article scares me personally, it would be interesting to have more of a discourse about more plausible reasons why this kind of surveillance is &quot;good&quot; from a genuine different perspective. One mistake the Chinese govt makes is never explaining themselves in a plausible way so it always comes across as Orwellian. Further, because no Chinese national is supposed to acknowledge the govt power, most nationals can&#x27;t comment on it without getting themselves or their family in serious trouble.<p>I have a (non-Chinese-from-China) friend who works most of the year in China and he explained the surveillance state as &quot;well, if you&#x27;ve got a nation of more than a billion people and a huge range of wealth levels and, culturally, you value stability of the nation more than individual liberty, yeah, you&#x27;re going to go to extremes on security and surveillance. It&#x27;s all about ensuring stability and adherence to &#x27;normal&#x27; behavior. Yeah it&#x27;s creepy but it&#x27;s _safe_ if you stay in line.&quot;<p>I&#x27;m not saying I agree with the exchange of individual liberty vs surveillance but it would be refreshing to read more plausible takes on the &quot;China has it right&quot; viewpoint.
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kccqzy超过 7 年前
I have a friend who’s born in Xinjiang and she told me this kind of control goes far beyond just surveillance, physical control, ID checks and whatnot. In a very Orwellian way, it also extends to control of the mind. Schools, government agencies, and local companies have to have their students and employees routinely recite propaganda about “ethnic unity” and relevant official policies and conduct routine tests to make sure these things are memorized.<p>Big Brother isn’t just watching you, it’s also trying to sneak its way into your mind.
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jackyinger超过 7 年前
The same thing is happening in the US. The difference is that the authorities here use much more subtle methods so it doesn’t appear pervasive.<p>It is known that use and abuse of stingrays is rife in our cities and gag orders allow even wider silent collection of data we give up willingly to tech companies because we can’t see what’s done with it.
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dghughes超过 7 年前
I couldn&#x27;t read the linked story but I did see a video of this on a different news site.<p>What I found chilling was the level of technology. Each camera has AI built into it, your gait is tracked, your gender is tracked, your relationships are tracked going back one week.<p>The person being interviewed I don&#x27;t know if he was proud of it or trying to calm fears by what he said. The point of the system he said is to gather as much data as possible on everyone so they can predict crime, very Minority Report-like stuff. So to calm everyone his point was we will know everything you do all the time in such detail we&#x27;ll know your daily patterns. Lord help you if you are a spontaneous mood one day.
l33tbro超过 7 年前
The idea of Bubba the local beat cop packet-sniffing my smartphone and arbitrarily detaining me &quot;because encryption&quot; is a mortifying thought. Hopefully it remains nothing more than a far-fetched concern here in the West, but I wouldn&#x27;t count on it.
autokill超过 7 年前
<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;pMV4U" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;pMV4U</a>
artificial超过 7 年前
Fascinating, the subject orientation is what you see elsewhere with machine vision - it was a big part of F8 this last year. I don&#x27;t really see a way out of surveillance besides legislation since processing power and storage increasingly becomes cheaper.
nicoolai超过 7 年前
I went to Urumqi about 10 years ago. It was nothing like this. It was actually an amazing place, full of diverse culture and awesome people.<p>In 2009, when these riots happened, I remember we lost complete contact with the factory there. The Chinese government simple cut all communication in and out of the region, till they had the situation under control.
songco超过 7 年前
I was born in Xinjiang and lived there for more than 20 years. My parents still live there.<p>It&#x27;s a complex thing and in my hometown, no one complain the surveillance generally.
softwarelimits超过 7 年前
The video is available here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;OQ5LnY21Hgc" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;OQ5LnY21Hgc</a>
sigsergv超过 7 年前
link without paywall <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;t.co&#x2F;EOOtSYkBRf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;t.co&#x2F;EOOtSYkBRf</a>
justicezyx超过 7 年前
Did you know how many people are killed each year in Xinjiang? Because of what western media called &quot;understandable opposition from oppressed descendants of the CCP&quot;, where the killed are all just innocent people?<p>OK tell me, what the hell the local government should do to stop the terrorism attack?!
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pajop超过 7 年前
if you&#x27;re behind a paywall: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;pMV4U" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;pMV4U</a>
liscovich超过 7 年前
Original WSJ article: &quot;Twelve Days in Xinjiang: How China’s Surveillance State Overwhelms Daily Life&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wsj.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;twelve-days-in-xinjiang-how-chinas-surveillance-state-overwhelms-daily-life-1513700355" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wsj.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;twelve-days-in-xinjiang-how-chi...</a><p>If you don&#x27;t have WSJ subscription, paste the title into FB&#x27;s search bar, and open the link via search results to bypass the paywall.
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thinkhard超过 7 年前
I&#x27;d rather be watched by surveillance camera than killed by extremists.<p>How about you?<p>It is inevitable; before 911 there was almost no security check in airports. Boarding was not too much difference than shopping in Walmart.<p>This is one kind of insurance: most time accident is not happening, but when it happens it can be deadly.<p>Life consists of compromises. Some are unavoidable.
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