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Symbols Found in Ice Age Caves Across Europe (2015)

205 点作者 da02超过 7 年前

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jbotz超过 7 年前
For more substance and less self-promotion, see her master&#x27;s thesis here: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;citeseerx.ist.psu.edu&#x2F;viewdoc&#x2F;download?doi=10.1.1.929.671&amp;rep=rep1&amp;type=pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;citeseerx.ist.psu.edu&#x2F;viewdoc&#x2F;download?doi=10.1.1.929...</a><p>There&#x27;s also a better graphical overview of the signs here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;frontiers-of-anthropology.blogspot.com.br&#x2F;2014&#x2F;08&#x2F;geometric-signs-from-genevieve-von.html?m=1" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;frontiers-of-anthropology.blogspot.com.br&#x2F;2014&#x2F;08&#x2F;ge...</a>
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randomdrake超过 7 年前
Maybes mods could add (2015). Seems little more than a regurgitation of the TED talk it links to multiple times entitled “Why are these 32 symbols found in ancient caves all over Europe?” which can be found here:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ted.com&#x2F;talks&#x2F;genevieve_von_petzinger_why_are_these_32_symbols_found_in_ancient_caves_all_over_europe&#x2F;transcript" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ted.com&#x2F;talks&#x2F;genevieve_von_petzinger_why_are_th...</a>
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ramgorur超过 7 年前
Not only across Europe, they are more or less similar all over the world.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;visual.ly&#x2F;community&#x2F;infographic&#x2F;science&#x2F;prehistoric-writing-stone-age-jottings" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;visual.ly&#x2F;community&#x2F;infographic&#x2F;science&#x2F;prehistoric-...</a>
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teh_klev超过 7 年前
Seems to be offline right now, here&#x27;s a cached version:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;oqGa5" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;oqGa5</a>
mr_overalls超过 7 年前
One explanation for the universality of these symbols is that they are entopic images - artifacts of the eye and visual system that are perceived during trance&#x2F;psychedelic states. Maybe associated with a widespread shamanic religion of this time period?<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;entheology.com&#x2F;research&#x2F;entoptic-imagery-and-altered-states-of-consciousness&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;entheology.com&#x2F;research&#x2F;entoptic-imagery-and-altered-...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;The_Mind_in_the_Cave" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;The_Mind_in_the_Cave</a>
mc32超过 7 年前
Haven&#x27;t watched the linked TED video, but this:<p>&gt;&quot;The fact that the same 32 symbols are repeated across sites that span 30,000 years and an entire content is nothing less than mindblowing. &quot;<p>Is both quite intriguing (if implication is true) but also raises the question of authenticity (if we&#x27;re unkind) or at least accurate dating (if we&#x27;re charitable).<p>Maybe the video goes into detail. (Apparently, it&#x27;s claimed that upwards of 60% of the symbols&#x2F;signs were expressed during the 30 thousand year span --which seems pretty incredible. I mean, the invariability seems somewhat preternatural.)
gpvos超过 7 年前
Slashdotted. Archive link: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20171227051630&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;digventures.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;12&#x2F;these-32-symbols-are-found-in-ice-age-caves-across-europe-but-what-do-they-mean&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;web.archive.org&#x2F;web&#x2F;20171227051630&#x2F;https:&#x2F;&#x2F;digventure...</a>
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pygy_超过 7 年前
The signs painted in caves have been preserved to this day but at the time I guess that they were also used outside, on rocks and on trees, and that they were lost to time...<p>With perhaps the exception of dance, the classic arts really are prehistoric mnemonic&#x2F;communication devices which were made obsolete when writing was invented.<p>They were so useful though that craving them has been carved in our genes, and we still like a good story&#x2F;song to this day.
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senatorobama超过 7 年前
Reminds me of the also unbroken Indus script. With all this computational power, I&#x27;m surprised that we haven&#x27;t been able to crack ancient proto-writing.
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tzs超过 7 年前
&gt; Among the elaborate horses, bulls, bears and hunters, there are some other rather less captivating designs – small geometric motifs, etched onto the walls. Until now, they’ve not received much attention.<p>I would have expected the opposite.<p>Someone drawing animals and hunters could easily be explained simply by them drawing what they see everyday.<p>Those other things, though, are harder to explain as merely drawings of things they see.
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timonoko超过 7 年前
I bet the omnipresent &quot;Sun&quot;-symbol is removed from results, to conform with German Laws and general sentiments. You can find it on Nordic Runes and Tibetan tapestry and American Indian tepee decorations. And it always means &quot;Sun&quot; or &quot;Good Luck&quot; or something positive.<p>Except after 1945 it does not.
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Raphmedia超过 7 年前
This really reminds me of &quot;hobo signs&quot; : <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.angelfire.com&#x2F;folk&#x2F;famoustramp&#x2F;signs.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.angelfire.com&#x2F;folk&#x2F;famoustramp&#x2F;signs.html</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Hobo#Hobo_signs_(symbols)" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Hobo#Hobo_signs_(symbols)</a>
mmjaa超过 7 年前
Every time I see something like this, I&#x27;m reminded of one of my favourite crackpot&#x2F;artists of all time, Stanislaw Szukalski and his mad theories about &quot;Protong&quot;, the proto-language of a civilisation that was destroyed by a cataclysm some 65,000 years ago, which - according to him - was the language of the first human civilisation across the globe, and which survived - barely - as a &#x27;forgotten remembered language&#x27; in ancient pre-historic glyphs.<p>In a nutshell, &quot;Protong&quot; was the global human language that was spoken across the globe - until the planet suffered an enormous &#x27;flood-like&#x27; cataclysm that split this civilisation into shards and pieces around the world. The survivors of this cataclysm clawed their way back to land, and in an effort to warn future humans of the danger, encoded many of the glyphs of Protong into their cave art. Per Szukalski this can be demonstrated by the fact of many common glyphs among a wide distribution of different cave paintings - the fact that the &#x27;neck ring&#x27; is a key element in many paintings vastly separated by geographic distances, and the significance of such glyphs as a &#x27;cup or water vessel&#x27;, and so on.<p>Szukalski believed he was able to decipher these glyphs in a way that hadn&#x27;t occurred to researchers before him, and he made an entire philosophy out of his personal discoveries.<p>While I still remain highly sceptical of his ideas - and I am especially dissuaded by the racist form of this philosophy that later evolved from Szukalskis explorations into ancient&#x2F;pre-history art (Zermatism, the idea that the human species is in competition with another race, &quot;Yeti-like&quot;, which brings about perpetual downfall among all &quot;noble societies&quot;), I nevertheless remain fascinated by the idea of using &quot;Protong&quot; as a means of appreciating the meaning of pre-history. From the Programmers Mind, its kind of like discovering the mnemonics for machine code, after having spoken nothing but Lua.<p>So, I do wonder if he wasn&#x27;t onto something with the idea of Protong being an underpinning to all ancient&#x2F;pre-historic art forms. If this sort of thing is of interest - and I mean it in the most casual sense, because I have absolutely no interest in promoting the racist Zermatism - then I encourage HN readers to have a look at Protong. The book on the subject &quot;Behold - The Protong!!&quot; is a wonderful coffee-table item, if you care for these things. I don&#x27;t know of any other on-line resources which cover Protong - its a kooky subject indeed, so this is very surprising to me - but I do encourage the casually-interested to have a glance. It may - or may not, indeed - provide a bit of context to understanding pre-historic cave art. As a fan of this, I think its neat.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.goodreads.com&#x2F;book&#x2F;show&#x2F;2118037.Behold_the_Protong" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.goodreads.com&#x2F;book&#x2F;show&#x2F;2118037.Behold_the_Proto...</a><p>More on Szukalski here:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.kookscience.com&#x2F;arch&#x2F;Zermatic.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.kookscience.com&#x2F;arch&#x2F;Zermatic.html</a><p>Warning: definitely kook science, but a fascinating though experiment nevertheless.
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cptkoons超过 7 年前
To under exaggerate this time, one rectangle is drawn inside a cave and another rectangle is drawn inside another cave 1000 years later. 25,000 years later modern man finds these rectangles drawn on the walls and is astonished? Is it not just kinda a given that before speech communication there was drawn image communication (like point at images and grunt)? I mention the 1000 year gap only to point out that they probably moved around and other groups took over caves that were inhabited by other groups before...thus why there are mimicked across europe. ((25000 also being just an arbitrary number for discussion purpose because im not an anthropologist or geologist))
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amelius超过 7 年前
What are the corresponding Unicode code points?
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meri_dian超过 7 年前
All the symbols are simple, I wouldn&#x27;t be surprised if many children around the world scribble similar signs while doodling. It seems likely to me that the signs arose in disparate locations through sheer coincidence instead of through an active Paleolithic common culture or a miraculously preserved memory of some ancient heritage - the ultimate source of the symbols - shared by far flung groups.
istec超过 7 年前
Hashtag was popular back then :) <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;OUDrRjy" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;OUDrRjy</a>
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brango超过 7 年前
The mainstream view of our history has some massive unexplained mysteries. For example the ability of ancient people to work with massive slabs of stone in a way we&#x27;d struggle to do now even with modern machinery. Not just the Pyramids and Stonehenge, but the stone foundations at Cuzco and also Baalbeck temple which apparently has foundational stones estimated to weigh 1000 tons.
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cptkoons超过 7 年前
Because humans existed and traveled for hundreds of thousands of years (beyond what most average modern folks can conceptualize). We don&#x27;t fully give ancient peoples enough credit cause they didn&#x27;t completely fuck the environment up and didn&#x27;t leave much evidence. Not at all shocking...only our true ignorance being shocking.
jccalhoun超过 7 年前
could anyone find actual pics of the symbols on cave walls? I spent a few minutes looking and couldn&#x27;t find any.
brudgers超过 7 年前
They immediately reminded me of &quot;Hoboglyphs&quot;, <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;weburbanist.com&#x2F;2010&#x2F;06&#x2F;03&#x2F;hoboglyphs-secret-transient-symbols-modern-nomad-codes&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;weburbanist.com&#x2F;2010&#x2F;06&#x2F;03&#x2F;hoboglyphs-secret-transie...</a>
tomcooks超过 7 年前
Why link a blogpost when you can link the research itself, or its presentation on ted
dalbasal超过 7 年前
History keeps getting older..
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yipopov超过 7 年前
Top 32 cave symbols that will blow your mind!<p>What these researchers found in caves will amaze you!<p>32 sure signs you&#x27;re in a European ice age cave!<p>Discover these cave-dwelling secrets that your real estate developer doesn&#x27;t want you to know!
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pvaldes超过 7 年前
Michelin Guide for the modern caveman?
fsiefken超过 7 年前
32 = with 5 finger chording or gestures you can get every symbol, should be enough for everybody
ivanb超过 7 年前
I find it suspicious that the set of the most common symbols doesn&#x27;t contain a dick. Why wouldn&#x27;t the most common modern wall ornament (in my experience) be popular at that time?
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hellohal超过 7 年前
Is this the start of Prometheus??!
quadcore超过 7 年前
<i>they don’t quite seem to form a written language</i><p>Must be a programming language of some sort :)
jackaroe78超过 7 年前
Short on Crypto (roughly translated)
walkingolof超过 7 年前
Its &quot;interesting&quot; how one of these symbols ended up in one of the unresolved cases of project &quot;Blue book&quot;.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;NB45sQ6" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;NB45sQ6</a><p>It would be a great start of a movie script :)
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HenryBemis超过 7 年前
Being respectful to the researcher(s) and her&#x2F;their work, I was thinking that if this a GoT promo, I would be soooooooo angry (and impressed) :)
gfody超过 7 年前
Thunderbolts project offers an interesting theory on these symbols <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.thunderbolts.info" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.thunderbolts.info</a>
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