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Review: Copperhead OS

272 点作者 billpollock超过 7 年前

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lrvick超过 7 年前
I think there are some misconceptions in this thread (due to the title).<p>Personally I use CopperheadOS as my daily driver because it stays continually ahead of Google (and groups like AOKP, LineageOS etc) in terms of Android hardening. It goes well beyond just not having Google Play services.<p>See their details on their approach and design: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;copperhead.co&#x2F;android&#x2F;docs&#x2F;technical_overview" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;copperhead.co&#x2F;android&#x2F;docs&#x2F;technical_overview</a><p>They make continued patches to Android as part of a security and privacy first approach. Many of their patches get upstreamed by google months later (if at all) but CopperheadOS users get them right away.<p>Google has their engineering efforts focused mostly on new features and compatibility. They are happy to let firms like CopperheadOS be further ahead in security research and take their patches where it does not break compatibility.<p>It really depends on what you want to optimize for. Security&#x2F;privacy or being able to run all the latest games and social media apps and the consequences that come with them.
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JepZ超过 7 年前
Sometimes I am wondering what Google employees think when they read headlines like this one. I mean they probably have no problem giving the personal data to Google, but at the same time many of them are probably open source proponents and would support a world where the Google services would be entirely optional to Android.<p>A few days ago I was thinking about a new smartphone and because my main problem with my current android is the outdated kernel and driver setup, I was searching for smartphone with open source drivers. Wikipedia tells us since the start of the Smartphone era about 22 phones had open source drivers (with the exception of the proprietary baseband firmware):<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_open-source_mobile_phones" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_open-source_mobile_pho...</a><p>Doesn&#x27;t look like something where you can select the hardware specifications you prefer. So I feel a little lost.<p>In general, I like Android but for my taste the Google services are too intrusive. Uploading my data before I had a chance to deactivate it is just unacceptable. Asking me every day to add photos to Maps sucks too. I can accept giving some of my information to Google to improve the product, but lately Google feels like the data mooch on my smartphone...
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Tepix超过 7 年前
I love Copperhead OS on my Nexus 5X. Amazing battery life, great trustworthy apps and strong security. Frankly I think the project would be a lot more successful with lower prices. I&#x27;m willing to pay $50 per year for the OS, right now the price to get Copperhead OS installed on a Pixel phone is $400. That&#x27;s just out of whack when taking into consideration the phone price (I paid around $180 for a used Nexus 5X a year ago) and the usual software prices. I guess I&#x27;m not the only one not buying a Pixel with Copperhead OS for that reason.<p>The Copperhead guys should get a copy of <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dummies.com&#x2F;education&#x2F;economics&#x2F;how-to-determine-the-ideal-price-with-price-elasticity-of-demand&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.dummies.com&#x2F;education&#x2F;economics&#x2F;how-to-determine-...</a>
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orblivion超过 7 年前
I&#x27;m overall quite pleased with my Copperhead phone, and very much appreciate getting actual OS updates.<p>I have one issue however that I thought I&#x27;d put out there from a customer service standpoint. If you buy a phone from them, you pay what seems to me like a nice premium (Pixel XL $1,269.00; though it&#x27;s hard to find a good comparison point), and it comes with a service plan. Copperhead (as I understand) takes stock AOSP and (among other things) swaps out some of the default applications. Notably, the SMS application is something called Silence (silence.im).<p>Here&#x27;s the issue. I&#x27;ve had a problem or two with Silence, and I contacted their customer support. They suggested trying other SMS apps to see if that solved my problem, which is in itself fine. However, at that point they closed the issue, because they claim that they&#x27;re not responsible for 3rd party apps, even ones that they bundle and (I presume) update with system upgrades. The reason given is that they don&#x27;t control the source for those, unlike the OS. I don&#x27;t accept this at all. I paid a good premium (unless I&#x27;m mistaken) for the phone, I expect a _working phone_. This, these days, includes a functioning SMS client. How they go about making that happen is _their_ responsibility. They can work with me to find a suitable replacement, they can submit a pull request or a bug report, etc. But I argue they should consider the issue open until it&#x27;s fixed or I decide it doesn&#x27;t matter.<p>Anyway, not a big deal, I worked around it. Perhaps if I pressed enough they would have been okay with me returning the thing on these grounds, but it&#x27;s nowhere near worth it. I just disagree with their philosophy on this issue. I understand it must be _really_ hard to deal with all this as such a small operation. But then they should put this point in big bold letters when you buy it, or something. ¯\_(ツ)_&#x2F;¯
meneame2超过 7 年前
Sadly it has turned its open source license into a code available but non-free one.<p>That, coupled with the fact that Pixel devices are way more expensive than Nexus used to be limits its usefulness.
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agentdrtran超过 7 年前
&gt; do think it will happen, however. The use case involves corporations, especially those involved in privacy sensitive fields such as health care. Wouldn’t it be cool to have a locked down “business” VM that is separate from a “personal” VM with your Facebook, games and private stuff on it.<p>This already exists for businesses with Samsung Knox &#x2F; Android for Business. No it&#x27;s not a full OS but it fits all of their needs and separates data. Having one OS in a &quot;vm&quot; on a phone sounds horrible UX wise.
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jonafato超过 7 年前
YalpStore [1,2] makes getting Play Store apps a lot less painful than going through the process of extracting an APK from one phone and side loading it onto another. There are some that simply won&#x27;t &#x2F; don&#x27;t work without Google Play Services, but most do. This made switching to Copperhead OS much easier for me.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;yeriomin&#x2F;YalpStore" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;yeriomin&#x2F;YalpStore</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;f-droid.org&#x2F;packages&#x2F;com.github.yeriomin.yalpstore&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;f-droid.org&#x2F;packages&#x2F;com.github.yeriomin.yalpstore&#x2F;</a>
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wffurr超过 7 年前
Reviewer touts &quot;security focused&quot; OS, promptly disables &quot;trusted sources&quot; check for installed software.<p>Turn it back on, sure, until the next time you want an APK that&#x27;s not listed in F-Droid. Seems like a bad idea. How about writing to your favorite app developers and asking them to list on F-Droid instead of sideloading?
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JoshTriplett超过 7 年前
The article mentions launchers; all the launchers in the app store seem sketchy. Does anyone know of a good Open Source launcher, maybe a version of the AOSP launcher compiled for current Android? I&#x27;d love to have something that reclaims the pile of space (thumb-reachable space even) devoted to the Google search bar that now stays on the bottom of the main screen all the time.
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thatcat超过 7 年前
It&#x27;s kind of hilarious that copperhead OS is considered de-googled when all the hw support and firmware updates still rely on google. After google drops hw support for a device copperhead discontinues support.
dweekly超过 7 年前
Re: having a switchable mobile hypervisor I have some free&#x2F;unencumbered IP for you courtesy my employer Google in case anyone would like to implement.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tdcommons.org&#x2F;dpubs_series&#x2F;500&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tdcommons.org&#x2F;dpubs_series&#x2F;500&#x2F;</a>
Improvotter超过 7 年前
&gt; CopperheadOS currently supports the Nexus 5X and Nexus 6P as a free offering. Pixel and Pixel XL support is available as a product.<p>They show a Nexus 5 on the landing page for CopperheadOS. Why not show a supported device?
aknfo1341超过 7 年前
I&#x27;ve used copperhead OS for months.. and believe me when I went back to my 5x that had it and had to attempt to break into my own phone because I forgot the password.. that thing is secure! It does suck to side-load somethings, but the worst part is a lot of things use google play services more than you think.. which is always weird to me. If anyone has any questions let me know, but I enjoyed it. Without google battery life is pretty awesome.
squarefoot超过 7 年前
Hardening the OS is not enough. As the infamous Intel ME taught us in a different context, unless one uses only 100% open hardware, security cannot be guaranteed by software. We need open (documented, reproducible) hardware rather than alternative OSes; until that day security on current platforms is to be considered a myth.
makepkg超过 7 年前
I use CopperheadOS on my Nexus 5X and I am extremely happy with it. My job is android development and I have some personal paid apps on Google play and one Foss app on F-Droid. Access clipboard in the background and record audio in the background have been lately added to the security features available on CopperheadOS, and I can&#x27;t imagine now using my phone without COS hardened implementation. I use FDroid for all the apps I need and yalp for a couple of other apps not available on FDroid. The majority of apps now depends on Google play services and that is flattering and disappointing: all those GPS APIs are very appealing to developers and teams because makes things easier and all but IMHO using all those services is contributing to data mining and I don&#x27;t think it is fair.
pasbesoin超过 7 年前
I may have to go this or a similar route, to go back to using WiFi and Bluetooth on my ~5.5 month old Motorola G5+ [1].<p>I mean, come on! Ship a patch&#x2F;update, already!<p>1) That replaced a bootlooped ~1.4 year old Nexus 5X. Wasn&#x27;t going to spend big bucks after that burn and while waiting for the Pixel 2 or Samsung whatever, or Apple&#x27;s new line, to drop in a month or two.<p>And now, with all the crap going on with all those various new models...<p>I&#x27;ve griped about this, before, but damn it, they deserve the criticism. And the only time they make positive changes seems to be when the public image and pressure get bad enough. (And things get worse again, as soon as that pressure relents -- or gets distracted.)
gman83超过 7 年前
A hypervisor on a mobile OS you say?<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;techspecs.blog&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2017&#x2F;3&#x2F;15&#x2F;fuchsias-hypervisor" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;techspecs.blog&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2017&#x2F;3&#x2F;15&#x2F;fuchsias-hypervisor</a>
z3t4超过 7 年前
I don&#x27;t think it would be that hard to have two separate CPU&#x27;s on a phone, then use a hardware switch to wake one OS up and put the other to sleep.
jonafato超过 7 年前
Copperhead OS is a great project and seems to be short on funding (based on threads on Twitter and Reddit). If you&#x27;d like to support it, donations can be made at <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;copperhead.co&#x2F;android&#x2F;donate" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;copperhead.co&#x2F;android&#x2F;donate</a>.<p>(I&#x27;m not affiliated with the project, I just use it as my primary phone OS.)
parfamz超过 7 年前
Ain&#x27;t here maps a good alternative to google maps? I use both of them 50&#x2F;50 and I love the offline capabilities of here maps
forapurpose超过 7 年前
Dated 18 January 2017, almost a year ago (but not quite long enough to add it to the title) so some info might be out of date.
yakans超过 7 年前
In the post the author complains about the lack of a VM inside current phones to run Google instances in it. I believe BB10 had that feat to overcome the limits of its native app ecosystem. My old Passport nowadays could almost reach the objectives of the author. Too bad due to licensing the Android kernel is stuck on 4.3
hedora超过 7 年前
Any idea why all their phones are out of stock? (Are there more on the way???)
brightball超过 7 年前
Anyway to install this on an Amazon Fire tablet?
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walshemj超过 7 年前
why that Name in particular did they not know its provenance in English :-) it was what a proslavery northerner was called aka Traitors.
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iynere超过 7 年前
its very easy to just not install google play services on any non-stock rom. there doesn&#x27;t seem to be much that is &#x27;security-focused&#x27; about copperhead besides that decision.... i would definitely recommend lineage over this, as it has a much larger development community &amp; works on a much wider range of devices