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Forging a Swiss Lens: How Zurich's tech scene changed my view of SV

219 点作者 msd81257超过 7 年前

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timewarrior超过 7 年前
I have been involved with Swissnex and been advising Swiss startups for some time. I also go to Switzerland every other year if not every year and meet with startups there.<p>Things I noticed:<p>1. Incredibly smart people.<p>2. Behind Silicon Valley on best technology and product building practices by at least 2 years.<p>3. Great work ethic and social responsibility.<p>4. Do not have world conquering ambitions - which kinda works against them. One of the founders was talking about an idea and was being very conservative with market size estimates. So I suggested to him - Think about how you can conquer the world. And his reply was - We are Swiss, we don&#x27;t conquer the world.<p>I think one of the biggest challenge for Switzerland tech scene is that there is no viable immigration path for a non-EU citizen. Even after decades, you might not get a citizenship [1]. It makes it difficult for them to attract talent from outside, especially those with Silicon Valley experience.<p>Not that US is any better for Indians. Based on current estimates, if someone from India applies for an employment based Green Card now, they might get it in 70 years. And life is a pain because you have to do a lot of paperwork throughout.<p>If there was a viable immigration path in Switzerland, I would move there tomorrow!<p>1. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.swissinfo.ch&#x2F;eng&#x2F;naturalisation-controversy_american-professor-denied-swiss-citizenship&#x2F;41075124" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.swissinfo.ch&#x2F;eng&#x2F;naturalisation-controversy_amer...</a>
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derriz超过 7 年前
The point that public transport can be more efficient than private does not necessarily reflect public investment although the Swiss do invest in subsidizing transport infrastructure. But what&#x27;s suprising is that much of the public transport system is owned and operated by private (profit-motivated) companies. I think there are about 10 different companies operating what looks like a unified public transport system in Zürich for example. But you&#x27;d never know this because of the integrated ticketing.<p>Healthcare is very similar - a blend of private (mostly) and public provision but with government regulated insurance market. However it&#x27;s not exactly efficient - I think an exceptional proportion of national income is spent on health care (i.e. close to US levels and way higher than European norms) even if it doesn&#x27;t appear on your insurance bill every month.<p>But yes I love that &quot;adjustable work schedules&quot; are the norm here and I think Switzerland is fairly exceptional from what I know in that regard. I work 80% (4 days a week) as do some other collegues and there is no perception that this indicates a lack of dedication to the start-up or that we should be considered less than committed. It&#x27;s difficult to describe how much this has improved my lifestyle.
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aetherson超过 7 年前
Y&#x27;know, I once was talking to a hiring manager about my potential job. He said something about working 10 hour days and often working weekends.<p>I said, &quot;Great, I don&#x27;t think this job is for me. I hope you guys do well!&quot;<p>And then I got another job, and I work 8 (maybe sometimes more like 8.5) hour days and no weekends. Outside of genuine &quot;we&#x27;re on fire&quot; operational catastrophes, which happen like once or twice a year.<p>I live and work in SF.
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msd81257超过 7 年前
Hey all! Original author here. Seems like the server might be down. Bumping @jotaen&#x27;s comment on the cached link: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;webcache.googleusercontent.com&#x2F;search?q=cache:0W2gpfw2vT0J:https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nextrends.swissnexsanfrancisco.org&#x2F;forging-a-swiss-lens-3-ways-zurich-changed-my-view-of-silicon-valley&amp;num=1&amp;strip=1&amp;vwsrc=0" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;webcache.googleusercontent.com&#x2F;search?q=cache:0W2gpfw...</a><p>Thanks @jotaen!!! Really appreciate it.
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dekhn超过 7 年前
I worked for a major biotech company in Silicon Valley that was part-owned, then later fully-owned, by a large Swiss pharmaceutical company. Well, it wasn&#x27;t really a pharma company so many as a collection of wealthy Swiss families that maintained cross-investments in each other&#x27;s pharma companies because it was a profitable sector. But I digress.<p>Anyway, every year, the Swiss would send their top IT people to come look at our IT systems, and ask us questions about how we did things. What software we ran, how we administrated it, etc. They generally thought we were quite lazy and lax; noting that our sysadmins were from a wide collection of countries, one commented &quot;At Roche, we only hire Swiss citizens to administer the SAP servers.&quot;<p>Later, Roche bought Genentech because it was far more profitable than any other investment Roche could make, and they generally adopted Genentech&#x27;s approach to IT throughout the larger company. Pretty sure the SAP servers are still administered by Swiss citizens.
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jotaen超过 7 年前
Server seems crashed, that link works for me: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;webcache.googleusercontent.com&#x2F;search?q=cache:0W2gpfw2vT0J:https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nextrends.swissnexsanfrancisco.org&#x2F;forging-a-swiss-lens-3-ways-zurich-changed-my-view-of-silicon-valley&amp;num=1&amp;strip=1&amp;vwsrc=0" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;webcache.googleusercontent.com&#x2F;search?q=cache:0W2gpfw...</a>
matttproud超过 7 年前
Zürich &gt; Silicon Valley or San Francisco (esp. if you have a family)<p>Zürich is a great place to work, live, and relax. The people here are also stupendously awesome.
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fuzzieozzie超过 7 年前
That lifestyle is possible in SV too .. it&#x27;s a matter of how you choose priorities. At www.compilerworks.com we are purposefully bootstrapped to enable a high quality lifestyle (there are 3 of us in the Bay Area and 5 internationally).
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fludlight超过 7 年前
&gt; Assigned laundry days are commonplace...My laundry would be done on Friday night at 6.<p>This seems efficient but also very off-putting.
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kgwgk超过 7 年前
&gt; My nationality hampered my ability to obtain medical treatment<p>Why?
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romanovcode超过 7 年前
Hey, but at least you get paid more in U.S., right?
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