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Show HN: Carbon Doomsday – Graph and API of Earth's Carbon Dioxide

118 点作者 titojankowski超过 7 年前

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mturmon超过 7 年前
You might want to clarify that the data you&#x27;re plotting are from a ground-based station on Mauna Loa. One symptom of this is that your plot does not have a title or y-axis label.<p>Similarly, the &quot;global&quot; CO2 number you display as text may be (?) an average of selected ground-based stations.<p>CO2 varies with altitude, and with time and spatially, of course. The ground-based stations give part of the picture, but there are also various total-column CO2 measurements, prominently from TCCON (<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;tccon.ornl.gov&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;tccon.ornl.gov&#x2F;</a>), and remote-sensing measurements (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;co2.jpl.nasa.gov&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;co2.jpl.nasa.gov&#x2F;</a>).<p>This is why clarifying what you mean by &quot;global CO2&quot; is important. In the light of the sophistication of what&#x27;s out there, it might be good to think about where you&#x27;re trying to add value.
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llccbb超过 7 年前
Nice enough design work. But as someone who works in the climate data space I think there isn&#x27;t much value add here. CO2 data is already free and open and not challenging to use. It seems like a half-wasted use of electricity and contributors time to just show data and not have any call to action or resources for how to do something about the problem. From the branding and social media integration I am guessing there isn&#x27;t any deep interest in actually _doing something_ about carbon emissions. It feels like the villager who is screaming about a house on fire instead of joining in the bucket line.<p>Something like ClimateWatch[0] is actually building a strong platform for aggregating disparate data sources around climate change, GHG emissions, climate resilience practices, and multinational legislation. Granted ClimateWatch isn&#x27;t built by an online community of volunteers, but maybe it is something to look at for further inspiration.<p>[0]<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.climatewatchdata.org&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.climatewatchdata.org&#x2F;</a>
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ghostbrainalpha超过 7 年前
Sorry for the dumb question but I don&#x27;t understand when the Doomsday is....<p>Looks like we have gone from 300 to 400 in 50 years. What number is Doomsday and when are we projected to hit it?<p>That&#x27;s what I was expecting to see here, and if that isn&#x27;t information we have or you want to project, maybe the title shouldn&#x27;t be so provoking.
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cephaslr超过 7 年前
On the topic of CO2 and doing something about it, I am interested in a good counter point to iron fertilizations and algae blooms. It seems like a relatively low cost solution to implement and would be easier than getting uncooperative state actors on board with carbon policies against their interest.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Iron_fertilization#Debate" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Iron_fertilization#Debate</a> <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.scientificamerican.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;fertilizing-ocean-with-iron-sequesters-co2&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.scientificamerican.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;fertilizing-ocean...</a>
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titojankowski超过 7 年前
Project inspired by a post on HN in June. Within a week 4 people responded to the post and started development! This: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=14492180" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=14492180</a><p>Congrats to Luke, Steph, Marty, Purin, Dan, and Phillip on this latest redesign!
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mkempe超过 7 年前
Maybe you could include a full graph for the last 500 million years. It would show a steady decline of CO2 levels in the last 50-60my, whereas levels were previously ranging 2-5 times higher than in the recent holocene. [1]<p>The real doomsday would have been a further decline of CO2 levels to the point of global plant starvation. Many plants already died off due to the previously shrinking supply of CO2. [2]<p>[1] Atmospheric carbon dioxide levels for the last 500 million years (2002). <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;doi.org&#x2F;10.1073&#x2F;pnas.022055499" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;doi.org&#x2F;10.1073&#x2F;pnas.022055499</a><p>[2] Carbon dioxide starvation, the development of C4 ecosystems, and mammalian evolution (1998). <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov&#x2F;pmc&#x2F;articles&#x2F;PMC1692178&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov&#x2F;pmc&#x2F;articles&#x2F;PMC1692178&#x2F;</a>
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Ancalagon超过 7 年前
Id also like to add that the majority of your first time visitors are gonna have no reference point for what a good or bad PPM is. It would be helpful to have projection scenarios for the future and introduce labels for specific points in the time line with significant theoretical effects at that carbon level.
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notabee超过 7 年前
If possible, you may want to add in alternative views with the carbon budget. There&#x27;s a lot of chicanery with the IPCC scenarios and negative emissions technologies that don&#x27;t exist yet. It gives context to what the ppm means in terms of the point-of-no-return that we&#x27;re facing alarmingly soon. The site looks really promising, though!<p>Some good info in this video. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=-2b68JFsnkA&amp;t=10m58s" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=-2b68JFsnkA&amp;t=10m58s</a>
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kikoreis超过 7 年前
In case you are clueless and curious about the May peak like me: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;scripps.ucsd.edu&#x2F;programs&#x2F;keelingcurve&#x2F;2013&#x2F;06&#x2F;04&#x2F;why-does-atmospheric-co2-peak-in-may&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;scripps.ucsd.edu&#x2F;programs&#x2F;keelingcurve&#x2F;2013&#x2F;06&#x2F;04&#x2F;wh...</a>
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flashman超过 7 年前
Your font is hard to read because of the similarity between uppercase I and lowercase i &amp; l. &quot;Il&quot; is identical and &quot;il&quot; only has one pixel difference.<p>You haven&#x27;t used any j characters but they&#x27;d be similar to J.
FiatLuxDave超过 7 年前
Some comments:<p>1) The tagline at the top &quot;since 1958&quot; makes it seem like the website is since 1958, instead of the data. Obviously false, but may reduce trust.<p>2) The graph is good, I like it!<p>3) In the Data Sources section, it would be very helpful to have a link to the original data. Don&#x27;t make me hunt for it. I was wondering if this was an average of multiple locations or from a single location.<p>4) It may be helpful to have a link or explanation about the yearly period of the CO2 level. Something like <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.co2.earth&#x2F;seasonal-co2-cycle" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.co2.earth&#x2F;seasonal-co2-cycle</a>.
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stereo超过 7 年前
You might want to start the axis at 0 ppm. This makes the rise look even larger.
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gibsonf1超过 7 年前
Maybe take a more scientific approach at showing carbon counts? For example, what were the carbon counts 1000s&#x2F;1000000s of years ago as compared to now? Was carbon ever higher in the distant past than now, for example before humans? The &quot;Carbon Doomsday&quot; idea seems more a political idea than a scientific one, but maybe that is the point too. The correlation between carbon and temperature is just not scientifically working out, hence all the bad climate predictions based on carbon counts.
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cos2pi超过 7 年前
I don&#x27;t get anything out of this, frankly. There&#x27;s no scientific context, exposition of the data&#x2F;data collection methods or even what ppm means.<p>For the interested, the ESRL Global Monitoring Division (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.esrl.noaa.gov&#x2F;gmd&#x2F;ccgg&#x2F;index.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.esrl.noaa.gov&#x2F;gmd&#x2F;ccgg&#x2F;index.html</a>) is a more complete treatment of work being done in global greenhouse gas monitoring -- charts, maps and data included.
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sologoub超过 7 年前
Why does ppm seem to peak in April&#x2F;May each year?
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wbracken超过 7 年前
Seems like population has grown significantly more than carbon since 1960? <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ourworldindata.org&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;2013&#x2F;05&#x2F;updated-World-Population-Growth-1750-2100.png" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ourworldindata.org&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;2013&#x2F;05&#x2F;update...</a>
titojankowski超过 7 年前
Thanks for all the feedback everybody! Luke plugged in all your thoughts into issues on GitHub so we can keep track: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;giving-a-fuck-about-climate-change&#x2F;carbondoomsday&#x2F;issues" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;giving-a-fuck-about-climate-change&#x2F;carbon...</a>
GraffitiTim超过 7 年前
Did this year’s peak decrease vs last year? That looks like an extremely rare event if so.
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jgh超过 7 年前
&quot;Since last five years&quot; should be more like &quot;In the past five years&quot;
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Pxtl超过 7 年前
wk&#x2F;month&#x2F;year scaling of stock markets doesn&#x27;t seem to fit here. Even monthly it just looks like a jaggy mess with no coherent trends. It doesn&#x27;t start taking shape until the year mark.
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heydonovan超过 7 年前
Was the UI borrowed from the Coinbase Dashboard?
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mapster超过 7 年前
y-axis please and some bullet points on what the data says re: long term&#x2F; mid term
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