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How Cockroaches Crash into Walls and Keep Going

65 点作者 IntronExon超过 7 年前

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taneq超过 7 年前
&quot;How cockroaches crash into walls and keep going&quot;<p>Well, being 20mm long and weighing a couple of grams probably helps. And the &quot;robot cockroach&quot; looks almost nothing like a real cockroach, it&#x27;s just a scaled down version of RHEX.<p>Also, the video of the cockroach doesn&#x27;t show it crashing into the wall. It shows it running towards the wall, adjusting its body posture and stride even before its antennae make contact, slowing abruptly (watch the curved antenna bend forward under the deceleration), then stepping up onto the wall. It&#x27;s categorically <i>not</i> showing what the text describes. Maybe they have other videos?
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YeGoblynQueenne超过 7 年前
&gt;&gt; It turns out the cautious approach wasn’t necessary. The roaches that ran headlong into the wall could make the upward shift just as quickly — in about 75 milliseconds — the researchers found.<p>The opposite is also true though- the dumb, headlong-crash approach isn&#x27;t necessary either, since it&#x27;s not faster than the cautious approach.<p>I think what the article is really saying is that, absent a method to make the cautious approach available, then the dumb approach is good enough.<p>However, the cautious approach might be evidence of a capacity for more complex behaviours when necessary, the absence of which can significantly hinder the animal&#x27;s (or, indeed, the robot&#x27;s) versatility in other situations, besides climbing a wall quickly.<p>In other words, maybe cockroaches are hard to hit not because they can run headlong at a wall without slowing down but because they have the choice of not doing so when needed.<p>Which in turn means that robots that can only scale a wall by running blindly at it will still not be as good as cockroaches in tasks other than climbing walls.
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PhantomGremlin超过 7 年前
No comments?<p>I sure don&#x27;t miss NYC cockroaches. They&#x27;re seriously tough mother fuckers. Whack them with a shoe sole and they usually shrug it off and barely break stride.<p>The real problem with apartments in cities is that your neighbors&#x27; roaches become your roaches. No way to keep them from moving from apartment to apartment via cracks in the walls. I don&#x27;t know how you prevent something like that? I&#x27;m now in a single family detached house in suburbia. That has its own problems, but roach infestations aren&#x27;t among them.
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sibylsyndrome超过 7 年前
Neat! I recently attended a talk by Jayaram about his work with cockroaches: it&#x27;s fascinating stuff, especially on a mechanical level.<p>As someone else mentioned, size and weight are huge factors in kinetic design. Very roughly: when you&#x27;re smaller than the dimensions of a mouse, you can crash into things and count on passive mechanisms to recover. The relative impact of crashes increases as you scale up, and so it becomes more worthwhile to have a neurological mechanism that can sense obstacles beforehand and come up with other ways to avoid them. Timing these neural signals also becomes an issue that scales with size. So cockroaches and other small animals can use very different movement-control mechanisms than we do, and the same scaling principle would apply to cockroach- or human-sized robots.<p>For the cockroach in the first video, it&#x27;s definitely sensing the wall and preparing itself to change trajectory. But cockroaches who just crash into walls and flail blindly to recover don&#x27;t actually do worse than those who take the time and energy to anticipate the walls. This is because they&#x27;re at the right size and material composition so that the crash doesn&#x27;t debilitate them.<p>And yes -- there are many, many more videos that Jayaram took as part of his work. Unfortunately I can&#x27;t find any wall-crashing videos, but there are some squeezing videos here: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pnas.org&#x2F;content&#x2F;113&#x2F;8&#x2F;E950&#x2F;tab-figures-data" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pnas.org&#x2F;content&#x2F;113&#x2F;8&#x2F;E950&#x2F;tab-figures-data</a>
warent超过 7 年前
I&#x27;m not a roboticist nor do I hold a PhD, but the robot cockroach wasn&#x27;t compelling to me at all. The cockroach very clearly elevates its posture as it approaches the wall. The robot just brute-forces contact until its legs manage to catch hold. Really no similarity at least from the videos.<p>That being said, the study is still very interesting!
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anirudt超过 7 年前
According to me, the antennae of the cockroach play a vital role in sensing the obstacle ahead; but the work seems to make no use of this fact. There needs to be some use of the frontal information in making the guided decision, prior to struggling to climb the wall like the robot does.
tonydiv超过 7 年前
I&#x27;m already scared of Boston Dynamics. Once their bots start to look like cockroaches, I&#x27;ll never sleep the same.
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