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Launch HN: SafetyWing (YC W18) – A Global Safety Net for Digital Nomads

157 点作者 SRasch大约 7 年前
Hi HN! We&#x27;re the founders of SafetyWing in the current YC batch. We&#x27;re working on a global safety net for online freelancers, starting with health insurance, which you can get here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.safetywing.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.safetywing.com</a><p>When we quit our jobs to become digital nomads, we discovered that if you are not a full-time employee, you&#x27;re pretty much on your own. You lose stable income and most benefits when you earn money as a freelancer or entrepreneur, and lose the rest of your safety nets by being abroad. We decided to do something about this, and the result is SafetyWing.<p>We&#x27;re three Norwegians: Sondre is also founder of freelancer platform Konsus.com (YC W16). Sarah is CTO, former lead engineer of ad-network Tapdaq &amp; she’s also a musician. Hans a is lawyer and former head of legal at Auka, which is like white-label Venmo.<p>Our first product is $37 per month (4 weeks) for worldwide travel and medical insurance ($30 add-on for US, since US healthcare is much more expensive). It only works when you’re outside your home country, although there is 30 days home country coverage every 3 months so you can visit home (15 for U.S. residents). Covers hospital, doctor, prescription, etc.<p>The hardest thing about making the product has been licensing and getting trust from an insurer. To do that we hired two senior insurance experts who have been in the industry for 30 years. They helped us design it, and get the deal with insurance giant Tokio Marine.<p>Why is it so cheap? 1. Three major exclusions: preventive care, long-term cancer treatment and pre-existing conditions. Acute onset of pre-existing conditions is covered though; 2. The price is for ages 18-39. Other ages can buy though at higher prices—sorry, it’s the way this industry works; 3. Lower commissions compared to insurance sold via agents.<p>This is the first step in a plan to build a global safety net for online freelancers and entrepreneurs.<p>Look forward to getting feedback and hearing ideas from HN. We know there are digital nomads frequenting here, and we’d also be really interested in hearing about your experiences with health care or safety nets in general.

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jankotek大约 7 年前
Hm, I have worldwide (except US) medical insurance for 60euro&#x2F;month. Your product seems just like regular travel insurance (evacuation only, no actual medical cover). Not sure what it offers compared to my insurance.<p>So I want:<p>- table that compares your insurance to alternatives<p>- clarify &quot;evacuation&quot;, many nomads do not have a regular home.<p>- short extract from terms and conditions (maximal coverage, co-payment, etc...). Web is very vague...<p>- fix your terms &amp; conditions, it is branded to other company.....
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arcticbull大约 7 年前
In the past, I&#x27;ve used Cigna Global to provide full medical insurance to me anywhere on earth. This isn&#x27;t travel insurance, it&#x27;s actually full expat health cover. If I&#x27;m in Hong Kong and I need a checkup, they&#x27;ll cover that. If I&#x27;m in France and I need to get my teeth cleaned, that&#x27;s covered too. They even have direct billing relationships with many providers because they&#x27;re Cigna. Preventative is fully covered. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cignaglobal.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cignaglobal.com</a>
philip1209大约 7 年前
Hi - I&#x27;m a digital nomad. I use Geo-Blue insurance from Blue Cross. Their system has been pretty easy and self-serve. They offer a similar plan with comparable pricing. How is this different?
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jdavis703大约 7 年前
&gt; The price is for ages 18-39 (other ages can buy though at higher prices. Sorry it’s the way this industry works).<p>No need to apologize. The young people get higher automobile insurance rates.
BugsJustFindMe大约 7 年前
Hi. I&#x27;ve traveled worldwide for many months&#x2F;years at a time, so I&#x27;m directly in your target market.<p>What makes your service better than this policy that I&#x27;ve used before? <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.insuremytrip.com&#x2F;travel-insurance-providers&#x2F;international-medical-group&#x2F;patriot-international&#x2F;#tab_plan-summary" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.insuremytrip.com&#x2F;travel-insurance-providers&#x2F;inte...</a><p>[edit] Or this policy, which looks like it might be the same policy that you&#x27;re providing? <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.insuremytrip.com&#x2F;travel-insurance-providers&#x2F;hcc-medical-insurance&#x2F;atlas-international&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.insuremytrip.com&#x2F;travel-insurance-providers&#x2F;hcc-...</a><p>The price looks about the same (~$500&#x2F;yr) for similar coverage options, and I&#x27;ve used them before so I know that they did things like automatically email me a copy of the letter declaring coverage terms needed for stay in the Schengen Area (Btw, if you don&#x27;t do that, you definitely should). Their maximum policy length is a year but I know from experience that you can easily renew for another year after expiry if you need longer.<p>[edit] I found your policy links, but I completely missed them at first because of the tiny buried text. Can you make them bigger and not buried so far down?
baybal2大约 7 年前
How it works for people who are residing abroad for extended period of time.<p>From your exceptions list:<p>16. Routine medical examinations,<p>This surely can&#x27;t compare to a full service mid-tier insurance of equal price. Other expat insurance do cover 2-3 checkups a year with conditions on checkup venue and price.<p>36. products that can be purchased without a doctor&#x27;s prescription.<p>When a necessary off the counter drug is being prescribed by a doctor, will it not be covered? How this works in countries where you can buy pretty much anything off the counter, sans opiates?<p>41. Charges exceeding usual, reasonable and customary.<p>Specific limits? Especially want to know it for countries like China where where the difference in between public hospital - basic private clinic - and in a hospital that is up to international standards is like 8-10 times<p>More specific language for hospital stay and follow-up is needed. Say you broke a leg. You got released from hospital, but have to come for follow ups, remove the cast and sutures. Both did cost like $100 to me in Shanghai with 150 for the price of visit itself, which is more than I would&#x27;ve paid in Canada. Will follow ups be subject to outpatient visit limits?<p>My feel is that this more of an extended travel insurance, rather than a dedicated expat insurance that will allow for: a. you to remain in the country if you get in a moderately serious medical situation (on a level of appendectomy, complicated fracture treatment) and cover follow up care, b. cover your regular medical expenses
charlescearl大约 7 年前
I’m exploring digital nomading from the US. I take it that there are other (perhaps more expensive ) providers that offer preventative care?<p>From stories online and experiences of others, it also seems that a lot of it is about maintaining emotional health when away from home for a while. I wonder if you’ve thought through providing access to counseling services, etc. In other words, safety net in terms of well being?
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cpursley大约 7 年前
Interesting, I&#x27;ll likely sign up for this. Are there any blacklisted countries? I&#x27;m an American currently living in Russia and do a good bit of traveling&#x2F;working.
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aloukissas大约 7 年前
Sadly, this seems to suffer from the main thing that domestic US health insurance does: if you have pre-existing conditions, you&#x27;re screwed.
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therealmarv大约 7 年前
This sounds so promising. Reminding me of the new fintechs which are competing against classic banks (e.g. Revolut). I want something like a perfect app and simple fees for insurance!
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lima大约 7 年前
I get the metaphor, but these birds look so ugly.
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OoTheNigerian大约 7 年前
This is madness (in a good way ;))<p>If you&#x27;re in a neutral country where will you be evacuated to?<p>Say for instance, I&#x27;m from Syria and I get ill in Venezuela, where will I have the option of being treated?
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Gys大约 7 年前
My general thoughts on choosing an insurance:<p>1) Take a high deductable (because low means you will pay it every year any way ;-)<p>2) Take a very high maximum. Because that is what you have an insurance for. If something really goes wrong, you need as much support as possible, for as long as possible.<p>I have a rather expensive insurance with 1000 &#x2F; yr deductable and 1 million max (or more, depending on circumstances). I never claimed anything in the 8 years that I have it and I hope it will stay that way for a long time to come.
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OkGoDoIt大约 7 年前
Interesting concept. It might be good to have some info on how this works in different countries, especially countries where people tend to have medical expenses covered without buying private insurance. What am I actually getting in a specific country vs not having insurance, for example?<p>No preventative coverage seems nonsensical. Basically all of the value I get out of my insurance is for my annual physical and full lab screens. I find it frustrating that an innovative new business model for insurance doesn&#x27;t focus more on preventing high medical costs rather than simply helping with costs after it&#x27;s too late.<p>Reading your full safety-wing-specimen-policy-0118.pdf, there&#x27;s a bunch of random bold words. Seems most pronouns and many other words are bolded and I can&#x27;t figure out why. It makes the document visually busy and hard to read. I would fix that unless there&#x27;s some legal reason you have to do it that way.<p>The lost checked luggage coverage excludes literally everything of value I might have in my luggage except clothing. Feels like a scam honestly.<p>Congrats on launching and props for trying to innovate in the world&#x27;s shittiest industry, but I don&#x27;t think I&#x27;d sign up for this and I&#x27;m exactly your target market.
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stephth大约 7 年前
Interesting, best of luck! What are your closest competitors? And do you intend to provide other tiers for above 39, or are “digital nomads” above that age too few?
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mahesh_rm大约 7 年前
Great to see alternatives in the space. What is considered as &quot;your home country&quot;? I am a European, resident in a South American country. This implies that my Health Insurance System in my European Country does not cover me. Will SafetyWing still cover me in the South American Country I am currently residing in?
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gupir大约 7 年前
Why is it targeting digital nomads? I know they are underserved in this area (and many others), but I would trust more a normal insurance, with a strong foot in my country, but offers an extended plan to digital nomad.<p>Off-topic: Would you mind to share who made the illustrations of your website? I really love it!
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spodek大约 7 年前
Off topic, but your research may help answer a question I posed on HN a month ago <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=16348676" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=16348676</a>:<p>&gt; The &quot;digital nomads&quot; I know fly more than anyone I know. The discounts they find make them beneficiaries of our not accounting for externalities of the pollution from flying.<p>&gt; Does anyone know the carbon footprint or pollution levels their lifestyle causes? My intuition may be off, but they would seem high.<p>Does your research enable you to answer better than others?
cko大约 7 年前
This is great. I just flew out of the States and wished I saw this option. Currently bought IMG patriot travel insurance. Cheaper than world nomads but not for the adventurous.
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tadruj大约 7 年前
I love the design and character of your web page.<p>I don&#x27;t understand &quot;Home country coverage&quot; so maybe you could do some user testing to come up with better explanation.<p>Maybe a comparison to other insurances like Alianz Global Insurance. I have that and I&#x27;m not sure why yours would be better. I think it was about the same price looking at yearly cost.<p>Again, great web site.
pschon大约 7 年前
I have to start giving away personal data before getting to what I hope is the meat and potatoes of what you are offering. I don&#x27;t think so.
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BrazeBeefNoodle大约 7 年前
Is there no way to find the pricing for over 39 without creating an account? I don&#x27;t see it in the faq.
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mvr123456大约 7 年前
Signup doesn&#x27;t actually work for this thing, just an error that shows a Justin Bieber quote.
keeyah大约 7 年前
Is fertility treatment covered? Do you or any company you know cover IVF or IUI?