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Reading Arabic 'hard for brain'

15 点作者 k3dz超过 14 年前

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hasenj超过 14 年前
&#62; When someone learns to read Arabic they have to work out which letters are which, and which ones go with which sounds.<p>How's this different from any other language?<p>&#62; telling the characters apart involves looking at very small details such as the placement of dots.<p>Really? Try reading Chinese characters.<p>The real challenge with learning Arabic is that no one speaks the classical/standard Arabic as a native tongue, each region has its own dialect, and so to be really effective at using Arabic to communicate with real life Arabs, you have to know a lot about 2 or 3 major dialects. Even in online writing, people mix standard Arabic with their own dialect or major dialects. If you understand Classical Arabic, Modern Standard Arabic, Egyptian, Syrian, and Iraqi dialects, then you can communicate effectively with 90% of Arabs.<p>Basically you have to learn several (related) languages before you can communicate like a native Arab in the middle east. It's like learning Latin, Italian, Spanish and French at the same time.<p>Reading is trivial in comparison.
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pg超过 14 年前
I sensed this when learning classical Arabic in college. Even after a year of intensive (= every day) Arabic, I really had to think to read the letters. Back then there were already stories about studies showing the letters were hard for kids to learn, though IIRC they were just statistical studies.
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malkia超过 14 年前
"Israeli scientists believe they have identified why Arabic is particularly hard to learn to read."<p>Nothing wrong with that, but someone would take it politically :)
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andolanra超过 14 年前
The research this seems to be discussing is at least partly described in "Language status and hemispheric involvement in reading: Evidence from trilingual Arabic speakers tested in Arabic, Hebrew, and English" by Raphiq Ibrahim and Zohar Eviatar. So far, I haven't been able to turn up a copy, so I'll just list my non-neuroscientist questions and concerns. I don't mean that I don't believe it necessarily; just that I have trouble accepting a lot of these statements without further qualification and discussion.<p>- Lateralization of brain function is a tricky business, because it's prone to exaggeration and urban legend. I'd like some clear citations for statements like, "When you are starting something new, there is a lot of [right hemisphere] involvement."<p>- Given the preceding statement, I'd also like some clear citations for "When the eyes see something for just a short time, and it is at one side of a screen, only one brain hemisphere is quick enough to process the image." When I first read this sentence, it made sense to me, but things which appeal to common sense are not necessarily true.<p>- What are the actual rates of recognition for the letters by the different speakers and for the different hemispheres? Was it really an all-or-nothing result, or was it a 49%-or-%51 result?<p>- Because this experiment (apparently) only tested individual letters, how does one take into account the fact that Arabic letters change their form in various parts of a word? Perhaps Arabic words are easier to read than Hebrew words because the letters, when put together, have a more recognizable shape than Hebrew letters, which have a more uniform outline. Would right-brain recognition of Arabic words vs. Hebrew words yield different results than the individual letters?<p>- Arabic is widely spoken in Israel, but what percentage of the Arabic speakers were native Arabic speakers who learned Hebrew later in life, and what percentage were native Hebrew speakers who learned Arabic later in life? How much later in life?<p>- Arabic typeset on a computer can differ radically from calligraphic Arabic and handwritten Arabic. What variety was tested? Would handwritten Arabic (which generally uses lines instead of dots for diacritics) aid or hinder understanding?<p>In general, science news prepared by non-scientific sources leaves out a lot of detail, but these are questions which I think could have a lot of bearing on the truth of this experiment.
tokenadult超过 14 年前
Needs a lot more replication before I'll believe it. See <i>Reading in the Brain: The Science and Evolution of a Human Invention</i><p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Reading-Brain-Science-Evolution-Invention/dp/0670021105/" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Reading-Brain-Science-Evolution-Invent...</a><p>for a good recent, research-based account of how reading works.
jurjenh超过 14 年前
I wonder what the implications of this are with respect to maths / logic. IIRC the left hemisphere of the brain does more of the logical thinking, with the right being more creative - does this mean that people who read / write a lot of Arabic tend to have more developed logical or analytical skills?<p>Arabic numerals spring to mind, though they originated from India originally (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_numerals" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_numerals</a>), and algebra and trigonometry have been developed a great deal by Arabic and Persian scholars - all these are fairly fundamental to mathematics.<p>I wonder if there is any causation due to the written language, or would it merely be correlation?
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ithkuil超过 14 年前
"The researchers looked at 40 university students. Some of the students only spoke Hebrew, while some <i>also</i> spoke and read Arabic well."<p>Does this mean that all the 40 students had prior knowledge in Hebrew?<p>Does this mean that the ones which "only spoke Hebrew", only spoke it (but don't read and write it), or "spoke only Hebrew" (but don't speak Arabic).<p>(perhaps I have the illusion that the sentence is ambiguous because I'm not a native English speaker, please correct me)<p>Anyway, I fail to understand how this scientific experiment is being designed.<p>I have the feeling that they are only testing the difficulty to learn Arabic glyphs with no scientifically measurable difficulty to learn Hebrew glyphs since the tested subjects already know them. But this cannot be true, I cannot believe that such a blatant experimental error is being performed and the results being published, so I have to be wrong. Can somebody shed more light on it?
spirulina超过 14 年前
Reading Arabic letters means paying attention to detail and where dots are located, especially when you first learn the language. Not an issue after that.<p>I fail to see how that is "hard for the brain", when you know that the Arabic alphabet is limited to 28 letters.<p>The OP should have looked at learning languages that have thousands of ideograms (Japanese Kanji, Chinese, etc...)<p>Abstract of reference paper here: <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14744200" rel="nofollow">http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14744200</a> It s a shame no full text of this research is freely available.
touseefliaqat超过 14 年前
Sample size of only 40 students from 1.57 billion people who can read Arabic. Amazing...
sunkencity超过 14 年前
it's not that easy to read apl either.
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