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Ask HN: Any recommended resources to develop system thinking?

365 点作者 febin大约 7 年前
I have read Thinking in Systems by Donella Meadows, anything else?

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notduncansmith大约 7 年前
Rich Hickey has some great talks on YouTube.<p>If you are a software engineer:<p>Build a simple database, a simple interpreter, and a simple web application (backend and frontend). Read about “distributed systems”, “devops”, “Conway’s Game Of Life”, and “fractals”. Read about these technologies&#x2F;techniques (in whatever order is comfortable), how they work, their pros and cons, why they were created, how they compare to alternatives: “TCP”, “Open Sound Control”, “Plan9”, “REST”, “Lisp”, “Erlang”, “Smalltalk”, “Forth”, “Datomic”, “event sourcing”, “reactive programming”, “communicating sequential processes”, “APL”&#x2F;“J”&#x2F;“K”, “Ansible”, “jq”, “graph databases”, “Apache Kafka”<p>The idea is not to become an expert in any of these, but to digest the wisdom that lies in their design and surrounding literature. Each was created after lots of careful thought by brilliant people about how to build sustainable systems.
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paraschopra大约 7 年前
To me, systems thinking is all about accepting that _most_ thinking that isn&#x27;t physics contains interactions that wouldn&#x27;t pop naturally in the mind during analysis.<p>So the first step to thinking in systems is the acceptance that there are more interactions out there in the world than what can fit in our mind or what jumps to us through intuition.<p>I find sketching diagrams helps. I also try to see feedback loops and bottlenecks.<p>My recommendation would be to try breaking down systems. For example, I do that on my blog:<p>- <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;invertedpassion.com&#x2F;revenue-requires-investment-profit-requires-creativity&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;invertedpassion.com&#x2F;revenue-requires-investment-prof...</a><p>- <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;invertedpassion.com&#x2F;science-of-setting-achieving-goals&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;invertedpassion.com&#x2F;science-of-setting-achieving-goa...</a><p>- <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;invertedpassion.com&#x2F;what-food-delivery-companies-can-learn-from-netflix&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;invertedpassion.com&#x2F;what-food-delivery-companies-can...</a>
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pjmorris大约 7 年前
Gerald Weinberg has several books on the topic [0, 1]. Dorner [2] has a short, sharp, thoughtful book on our biases in analyzing complex systems.<p>[0] &#x27;An Introduction to General Systems Thinking&#x27;, Gerald Weinberg [1] &#x27;General Principles of Systems Design&#x27;, Gerald Weinberg [2] &#x27;The Logic Of Failure: Recognizing And Avoiding Error In Complex Situations&#x27;, Dietrich Dorner
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elvinyung大约 7 年前
A few cool reads in this area that are varyingly-related to software:<p>* Architecture of Open Source Applications (<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;aosabook.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;index.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;aosabook.org&#x2F;en&#x2F;index.html</a>): always a nice reference for brief overviews of how various OSS projects are architected.<p>* Counterintuitive Behavior of Social Systems (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ocw.mit.edu&#x2F;courses&#x2F;sloan-school-of-management&#x2F;15-988-system-dynamics-self-study-fall-1998-spring-1999&#x2F;readings&#x2F;behavior.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ocw.mit.edu&#x2F;courses&#x2F;sloan-school-of-management&#x2F;15-98...</a>): primarily an argument by Jay Forrester (the &quot;father&quot; of system dynamics) for using computer models to test social policy changes, but also serves as a primer for <i>how</i> systems are complicated, and how to approach reasoning about complex systems.<p>* A City Is Not A Tree (<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.bp.ntu.edu.tw&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;2011&#x2F;12&#x2F;06-Alexander-A-city-is-not-a-tree.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.bp.ntu.edu.tw&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;2011&#x2F;12&#x2F;06-Alexan...</a>): ostensibly a paper about the structure of cities, but but really a deeper insight into the limits of using tree-like structures to describe systems.
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andyjohnson0大约 7 年前
<i>Systemantics: How Systems Work &amp; Especially How They Fail</i> by John Gall. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.co.uk&#x2F;Systemantics-Systems-Work-Especially-They&#x2F;dp&#x2F;0812906748" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.co.uk&#x2F;Systemantics-Systems-Work-Especiall...</a><p>The writing style is kind of unusual, but there is a lot of wisdom to be found in it.
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jacques_chester大约 7 年前
I find the visibly distinct split in recommendations to be fascinating.<p>Of the books I&#x27;ve read, Sterman&#x27;s <i>Business Dynamics: Systems Thinking and Modeling for a Complex World</i> is the best all-round introduction to both the theory <i>and practice</i> of systems thinking.<p>There are a <i>lot</i> of books and as a family of related fields, systems have historically attracted creative and iconoclastic thinkers. That can be fun, but also frustrating. I think Sterman strikes the right balance.<p>It can be surprisingly difficult to lay your hands on a copy; Amazon tends to list 2nd-hand copies at high prices ($200+). I waited several years before seeing one on sale for $90.
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beedeebeedee大约 7 年前
If you are interested in systems theory, I would recommend Ross Ashby&#x27;s Introduction to Cybernetics. It&#x27;s a short book and free to download: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.org&#x2F;details&#x2F;introductiontocy00ashb" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.org&#x2F;details&#x2F;introductiontocy00ashb</a><p>Much of the pioneering work in systems theory was done in the 1930-40&#x27;s by different (but related) groups of academics in the fields of Systems Theory, Cybernetics, as well as Operational Research. Bertalanffy and Wienberg are progenitors of those fields, but I would stick to people like Ashby, who are much better writers. The work they produced is profound and laid the foundation for much of our modern academic disciplines and industrial practices.<p>There are a lot of fascinating people and fascinating work that came out of those academic groups during that period. They are too many to list, but I would give William Grey Walter and his robotic tortoise&#x27;s as an example: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=lLULRlmXkKo" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=lLULRlmXkKo</a><p>This might be beyond the scope of what you want, but I would also heartily recommend Carver Mead&#x27;s Analog VSLI and Neural Systems: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Analog-VLSI-Neural-Systems-Carver&#x2F;dp&#x2F;0201059924&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Analog-VLSI-Neural-Systems-Carver&#x2F;dp&#x2F;...</a>
wunderlust大约 7 年前
The Santa Fe Institute[0] has some courses, tutorials, and publications[1] mainly, it seems, around complexity science. Complexity science isn&#x27;t the same as systems theory&#x2F;science, but most (all?) systems are complex so systems thinking usually necessitates some grasp of complexity. It&#x27;s probably a good place to start.<p>They also have short courses on information theory, differential equations, and such.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.santafe.edu&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.santafe.edu&#x2F;</a> [1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.santafe.edu&#x2F;research&#x2F;results&#x2F;books" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.santafe.edu&#x2F;research&#x2F;results&#x2F;books</a>
iovrthoughtthis大约 7 年前
I, actually have no idea what this really means. Does anyone have a good explanation?<p>Systems Thinking redirects to Systems Theory on wikipedia: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Systems_theory" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Systems_theory</a><p>Is that what we&#x27;re talking about?
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rcarraway大约 7 年前
The NASA Systems Engineering Handbook is one of my favorites: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nasa.gov&#x2F;sites&#x2F;default&#x2F;files&#x2F;atoms&#x2F;files&#x2F;nasa_systems_engineering_handbook.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nasa.gov&#x2F;sites&#x2F;default&#x2F;files&#x2F;atoms&#x2F;files&#x2F;nasa_sy...</a>
poat大约 7 年前
In addition to reading about systems thinking, I would recommend actively practicing it. I’ve found that looking for and cataloging abstract patterns has developed my ability to recognize and reason about real-world systems.<p>For an example of what I mean, take a look at this project: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;perspectivesonatheme&#x2F;patterns" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;perspectivesonatheme&#x2F;patterns</a>
jirir大约 7 年前
Perhaps this would interest only EU hackers .. but I think it’s going to be extremely interesting as a “system design&#x2F;theory” problem.<p>There is the GDPR regulation going to kick off in May 2018. Simply put it regulates how an organization has to handle personal data. And that is a huge deal.<p>The task is: Make the organization GDPR compliant.<p>Does anyone has a suggestion how to approach such a task from the most general “system design&#x2F;theory” perspective?
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jamesrcole大约 7 年前
I&#x27;d read books that contain case studies of systemic phenomena. Like books on evolution (I&#x27;d recommend those by Dawkins and Dennett) or economics (even something like the Planet Money podcast). Reading about specific cases is good for honing your intuitions about systems, which is important for being able to think in systemic terms.<p>I don&#x27;t know your background but I also think learning programming is valuable.
NiklasMort大约 7 年前
Thinking in Systems: A Primer<p>by Donella H. Meadows (Author),‎ Diana Wright (<p>ISBN-10: 1603580557 ISBN-13: 978-1603580557
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knbknb大约 7 年前
&quot;Introduction to Agent-Based Modeling&quot; Course.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.complexityexplorer.org&#x2F;courses&#x2F;76-introduction-to-agent-based-modeling-2017" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.complexityexplorer.org&#x2F;courses&#x2F;76-introduction-t...</a><p>It is an introduction to NetLogo (a free simulation software and a Programming Language), but in hindsight I think the couse and the book teach some useful concepts.
goopthink大约 7 年前
Overcomplicated<p>Building Evolutionary Architecture<p>The Checklist Manifesto<p>The Half Life of Data<p>How Buildings Learn<p>I recommend looking into anything around processes or process-building&#x2F;management, project management, how incentives work, and how the brain works. The natural world and the corporate world are great examples of systems in action.
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valeg大约 7 年前
Thinking and Deciding by Jonathan Baron: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Thinking-Deciding-4th-Jonathan-Baron&#x2F;dp&#x2F;0521680433" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Thinking-Deciding-4th-Jonathan-Baron&#x2F;...</a><p>General System Theory by Ludwig von Bertalanffy: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;General-System-Theory-Foundations-Applications&#x2F;dp&#x2F;0807600156&#x2F;ref=pd_sim_14_6?_encoding=UTF8&amp;pd_rd_i=0807600156&amp;pd_rd_r=3MMXFTXX0JK37R68TKJ5&amp;pd_rd_w=5mGuK&amp;pd_rd_wg=b82Uw&amp;psc=1&amp;refRID=3MMXFTXX0JK37R68TKJ5" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;General-System-Theory-Foundations-App...</a>
neves大约 7 年前
The good ole Gerald Weinberg always has wisdom to share: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;leanpub.com&#x2F;generalsystemsthinking" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;leanpub.com&#x2F;generalsystemsthinking</a>
abhiyerra大约 7 年前
Science, Strategy and War covers the OODA loop which has a lot of similarities with systems thinking which I found useful in terms of orienting business and attacking problems.
aytekin大约 7 年前
The Art of Thinking in Systems and The Goal are must read.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Art-Thinking-Systems-Critically-Strategic-ebook&#x2F;dp&#x2F;B078YYJBXL" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Art-Thinking-Systems-Critically-Strat...</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;dp&#x2F;B002LHRM2O&#x2F;ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&amp;btkr=1" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;dp&#x2F;B002LHRM2O&#x2F;ref=dp-kindle-redirect?...</a>
kanishkdudeja大约 7 年前
Paras Chopra&#x27;s blog - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;invertedpassion.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;invertedpassion.com&#x2F;</a>
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gibsonf1大约 7 年前
I <i>highly</i> recommend this now free book: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gilb.com&#x2F;p&#x2F;competitive-engineering" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gilb.com&#x2F;p&#x2F;competitive-engineering</a> A metric-based approach to systems engineering focused on continuous improvement and adding value.
olfactory大约 7 年前
I suggest three interesting exercises:<p>- design a QA process for a software product. How important is &quot;blame&quot; vs team learning? What are the tradeoffs of a blame-oriented approach vs a systems oriented approach?<p>- build something using AWS or App Engine infrastructure that makes you have to work around the various constraints imposed by the system designers. Consider how to make a system reliable when building it using &quot;unreliable&quot; services.<p>- consider a Marxist interpretation of the US legal system. I&#x27;d argue that it constitutes a reasonable systems oriented critique, and makes it clear how (at least for me) pre-existing biases made it at first seem absurd. I suggest this mainly to highlight how biases can impact systems thinking. The QA process example is also deeply emotionally charged for many engineers but should not be.
HeyLaughingBoy大约 7 年前
I don&#x27;t have any specific links, but ISTR that INCOSE has a lot of publications &amp; recommended practices, etc. However, nothing beats working with an experienced Systems Engineer (as in: someone with a degree in Systems Engineering who has practiced it for many years) if you have the opportunity. I learned something every day working with those guys.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.incose.org&#x2F;ProductsPublications&#x2F;Papers-Presentations-library" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.incose.org&#x2F;ProductsPublications&#x2F;Papers-Presentat...</a>
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unixhero大约 7 年前
This is a bit of a non answer, but there was an early MOOC delivered on this topic. I remember this was back in 2010&#x2F;2011 and the topic was System Thinking.<p>The course was delivered by a political scientist, but focused entirely on systems thinking.<p>I will look for it and return; But for now I don&#x27;t have the name of the course, or the university. I can remember is the year :).<p>Edit: Found it; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.coursera.org&#x2F;learn&#x2F;model-thinking" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.coursera.org&#x2F;learn&#x2F;model-thinking</a>
nickpsecurity大约 7 年前
A lot of folks liked Just Enough Structured Analysis by Yourdon. Yourdon&#x27;s methods date back to the 1970&#x27;s with a lot of real-world application. That approach was also used in at least one high-assurance system (Tenix Data Diode).<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;zimmer.csufresno.edu&#x2F;~sasanr&#x2F;Teaching-Material&#x2F;SAD&#x2F;JESA.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;zimmer.csufresno.edu&#x2F;~sasanr&#x2F;Teaching-Material&#x2F;SAD&#x2F;JE...</a>
donjoe大约 7 年前
If you&#x27;re able to read in German I can highly recommend Haberfellner&#x27;s Systems Engineering. So far I couldn&#x27;t find the book translated.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ofv.ch&#x2F;lernmedien&#x2F;detail&#x2F;systems-engineering&#x2F;14546&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ofv.ch&#x2F;lernmedien&#x2F;detail&#x2F;systems-engineering&#x2F;145...</a>
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chadcmulligan大约 7 年前
Haven&#x27;t read it myself but:<p>The Fifth Discipline: The Art &amp; Practice of The Learning Organization<p>is one I&#x27;ve heard a lot of systems people recommend
otakucode大约 7 年前
Honestly, play a bunch of videogames and pay attention to the mechanics and optimal play strategies. They&#x27;re doing a fantastic job of giving even young children an extremely deep intuitive understanding of system thinking concepts. Stay away from twitchy multiplayer competition-based games, though, those teach nothing.
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jnymck大约 7 年前
The book Making Things Work by Yaneer Bar-Yam
soroso大约 7 年前
Russ Ackoff&#x27;s &quot;Ackoff&#x27;s Best: His Classic Writings on Management&quot; di Russell L. Ackoff.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;a.co&#x2F;6LvRWPO" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;a.co&#x2F;6LvRWPO</a><p>And also Ackoff&#x27;s talks on Systems Thinking:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;EbLh7rZ3rhU" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;EbLh7rZ3rhU</a>
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sz4kerto大约 7 年前
Read &#x27;Domain driven design&#x27;. Read about product development and talk to non-technical product owners, CEOs, and so on. One of the major challenges in building functional systems is to understand the domain as that&#x27;s what going to constrain you in the real life.
utanapishtim大约 7 年前
The work of John Holland, Melanie Mitchell, Geoffrey West, most anyone at the Sante Fe Institute.
contingencies大约 7 年前
I try to maintain proximity to insights I read in this space with a fortune database tailored to the area: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;globalcitizen&#x2F;taoup" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;globalcitizen&#x2F;taoup</a>
a_bonobo大约 7 年前
Along with Meadows&#x27; Thinking in Systems I read Mitchell&#x27;s Complexity: A Guided Tour, which is just that - a reasonably superficial tour over many examples. It&#x27;s a very good starting point since it&#x27;s got a long bibliography.
mch82大约 7 年前
What were your key takeaways from &quot;Thinking in Systems&quot;?<p>What is your goal with systems thinking?
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iovrthoughtthis大约 7 年前
Does this pretty much boil down to &quot;if we poke it here, what will it do?&quot;
VvR-Ox大约 7 年前
Do object oriented programming. On the way you&#x27;ll create systems of objects and with ongoing experience you&#x27;ll also learn to move the abstraction layer around.<p>I think while doing this for some time it&#x27;s a little easier to think about other (real world) problems as systems and you may find parallels between software development and this real world.
la_fayette大约 7 年前
introduction to cybernetics. it is a great book with exercises and it is free.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;pespmc1.vub.ac.be&#x2F;ASHBBOOK.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;pespmc1.vub.ac.be&#x2F;ASHBBOOK.html</a>
ismail大约 7 年前
The answer below assumes the following:<p>- You are talking about the application of general systems theory. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Systems_theory" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Systems_theory</a><p>- You would like to learn to apply &#x27;systems thinking&#x27; principals and analysis in many domains or to new problems<p>- You would like to learn to model systems<p>- It is also important to note in many domains there are specific branches of systems theory that may be more applicable. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_types_of_systems_theory" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;List_of_types_of_systems_theor...</a><p>- You could spend an entire lifetime learning in this field as many have done.<p>Types of systems:<p>Systems can be broken down by multiple dimensions:<p>- Complex<p>- simple<p>- unitary<p>- pluralist<p>- coercive<p>Systems thinking approaches:<p>- Hard systems thinking<p>- Systems dynamics<p>- Cybernetics<p>- Complexity Theory<p>- Soft Systems<p>- Emancipatory systems thinking<p>- Postmodern systems thinking<p>Learning More about Systems Thinking:<p>- A great website is the systems thinker, that covers quite a bit of topics. The articles are actually archives of a newsletter called &quot;The systems thinker&quot; <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thesystemsthinker.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thesystemsthinker.com&#x2F;</a><p>- To get an overview of various approaches to systems thinking from an organizational perspective:<p>Systems Thinking: Creative Holism for Managers by Michael C. Jackson. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Systems-Thinking-Creative-Holism-Managers&#x2F;dp&#x2F;0470845228" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Systems-Thinking-Creative-Holism-Mana...</a><p>- For general systems theory: An Introduction to General Systems Thinking by Gerald M. Weinberg <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Introduction-General-Systems-Thinking-Anniversary&#x2F;dp&#x2F;0932633498" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Introduction-General-Systems-Thinking...</a><p>- For systems thinking and the learning organization:<p>The Fifth Discipline: The Art &amp; Practice of The Learning Organization by Peter Senge <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Fifth-Discipline-Practice-Learning-Organization&#x2F;dp&#x2F;0385517254" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Fifth-Discipline-Practice-Learning-Or...</a><p>- There is a great course that covers soft systems methodology, specifically to solve social problems: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.plusacumen.org&#x2F;courses&#x2F;systems-practice" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.plusacumen.org&#x2F;courses&#x2F;systems-practice</a><p>- Habits of a systems thinker: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.watersfoundation.org&#x2F;systems-thinking-tools-and-strategies&#x2F;habits-of-a-systems-thinker&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.watersfoundation.org&#x2F;systems-thinking-tools-and-...</a><p>- Systems thinking resources: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;donellameadows.org&#x2F;systems-thinking-resources&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;donellameadows.org&#x2F;systems-thinking-resources&#x2F;</a><p>* Update added additional resources.
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0x4f3759df大约 7 年前
Inside the Aquarium: Making of a Top Soviet Spy -Viktor Suvorov
fouc大约 7 年前
I suspect a strong background in Physics leads to systems thinking.<p>Especially since a couple of my favourite system thinkers are Jacob Lund Fisker and Elon Musk. They both have degrees in physics.
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aik大约 7 年前
Read &#x27;The Fifth Discipline&#x27;
rodolphoarruda大约 7 年前
Read Peter Senge&#x27;s work.
kesor大约 7 年前
Learn by watching and reading materials released by great system thinkers.<p>Ludwig von Bertalanffy<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;s&#x2F;ref=dp_byline_sr_ebooks_1?text=Ludwig+von+Bertalanffy&amp;search-alias=books&amp;field-author=Ludwig+von+Bertalanffy" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;s&#x2F;ref=dp_byline_sr_ebooks_1?text=Ludw...</a><p>John Seddon<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;hbNsQFd8DQw" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;hbNsQFd8DQw</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;kjKG011gsJ4" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;kjKG011gsJ4</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;FbmuqYRi8z4" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;FbmuqYRi8z4</a><p>Theory of Constraints<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;dp&#x2F;B002LHRM2O" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;dp&#x2F;B002LHRM2O</a> The Goal &#x2F; Eli Goldratt<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;dp&#x2F;B00KYW1L66" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;dp&#x2F;B00KYW1L66</a> Necessary but Not Sufficient &#x2F; Eli Goldratt<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;dp&#x2F;0884271137" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;dp&#x2F;0884271137</a> It&#x27;s Not Luck &#x2F; Eli Goldratt<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;dp&#x2F;B00408ALES" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;dp&#x2F;B00408ALES</a> Isn&#x27;t it Obvious? &#x2F; Eli Goldratt<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;dp&#x2F;B002LHRM2E" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;dp&#x2F;B002LHRM2E</a> Critical Chain &#x2F; Eli Goldratt<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;dp&#x2F;B004THZ9VK" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;dp&#x2F;B004THZ9VK</a> Be Fast or Be Gone &#x2F; Andreas Scherer<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;dp&#x2F;1499660901" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;dp&#x2F;1499660901</a> Hanging Fire &#x2F; Jeff Cox<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;dp&#x2F;1439158932" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;dp&#x2F;1439158932</a> Velocity &#x2F; Dee Jacob<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;dp&#x2F;B00XKX1FEO" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;dp&#x2F;B00XKX1FEO</a> Epiphanized &#x2F; Bob Sproull &amp; Bruce Nelson<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;dp&#x2F;B0185JFYEO" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;dp&#x2F;B0185JFYEO</a> Focus and Leverage &#x2F; Bob Sproull &amp; Bruce Nelson<p>A full list of books on ToC here <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tocico.org&#x2F;?page=toc_books" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tocico.org&#x2F;?page=toc_books</a><p>Russell L. Ackoff<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;s&#x2F;ref=dp_byline_sr_book_1?search-alias=books&amp;field-author=Russell+L.+Ackoff" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;s&#x2F;ref=dp_byline_sr_book_1?search-alia...</a><p>Gerald M. Weinberg<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Gerald-M.-Weinberg&#x2F;e&#x2F;B00459FFAC&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Gerald-M.-Weinberg&#x2F;e&#x2F;B00459FFAC&#x2F;</a><p>Philip B. Crosby<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Philip-B.-Crosby&#x2F;e&#x2F;B001HD360A" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Philip-B.-Crosby&#x2F;e&#x2F;B001HD360A</a><p>Peter M. Senge<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Peter-M.-Senge&#x2F;e&#x2F;B000AQ8R86&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Peter-M.-Senge&#x2F;e&#x2F;B000AQ8R86&#x2F;</a><p>And many more, most of which are mentioned by the above in their work.
jeffcmohr大约 7 年前
There&#x27;s actually a lot of great material available, here are a few of my favorites:<p><i>Articles:</i><p>- Introduction to Systems Thinking (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thesystemsthinker.com&#x2F;introduction-to-systems-thinking&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thesystemsthinker.com&#x2F;introduction-to-systems-thinki...</a>)<p>- Tools of a Systems Thinker (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;disruptive-design&#x2F;tools-for-systems-thinkers-the-6-fundamental-concepts-of-systems-thinking-379cdac3dc6a" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;disruptive-design&#x2F;tools-for-systems-think...</a>)<p>- The Mythical Leverage Point (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.kumu.io&#x2F;the-mythical-leverage-point-d582ce4b8b49" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.kumu.io&#x2F;the-mythical-leverage-point-d582ce4b8b4...</a>)<p><i>Videos:</i><p>- Peter Senge Introduction to Systems Thinking (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=eXdzKBWDraM" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=eXdzKBWDraM</a>)<p>- I Used To Be A Systems Thinker (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=3Ymt_TbNNwE" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=3Ymt_TbNNwE</a>)<p>- The (Failed) Promised of Systems Thinking (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?time_continue=614&amp;v=aelqgvFXGiQ" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?time_continue=614&amp;v=aelqgvFXGi...</a>)<p>- Systems Practice Mindsets (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;vimeo.com&#x2F;212281432" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;vimeo.com&#x2F;212281432</a>)<p><i>Courses:</i><p>- +Acumen Systems Practice Course (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.plusacumen.org&#x2F;courses&#x2F;systems-practice" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.plusacumen.org&#x2F;courses&#x2F;systems-practice</a>)<p><i>Books:</i><p>- Thinking In Systems: A Primer by Donella Meadows (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Thinking-Systems-Donella-H-Meadows&#x2F;dp&#x2F;1603580557&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Thinking-Systems-Donella-H-Meadows&#x2F;dp...</a>)<p>- Fifth Discipline Fieldbook (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Fifth-Discipline-Fieldbook-Strategies-Organization&#x2F;dp&#x2F;0385472560" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Fifth-Discipline-Fieldbook-Strategies...</a>)<p>- Systems Thinking for Social Change (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Systems-Thinking-Social-Change-Consequences&#x2F;dp&#x2F;160358580X" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Systems-Thinking-Social-Change-Conseq...</a>)<p><i>Articles on Leading Systems Change:</i><p>- Dawn of Systems Leadership (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ssir.org&#x2F;articles&#x2F;entry&#x2F;the_dawn_of_system_leadership" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;ssir.org&#x2F;articles&#x2F;entry&#x2F;the_dawn_of_system_leadershi...</a>)<p>- Acting and Thinking Systemically (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thesystemsthinker.com&#x2F;acting-and-thinking-systemically&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thesystemsthinker.com&#x2F;acting-and-thinking-systemical...</a>)<p>- Transforming the Systems Movement (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thesystemsthinker.com&#x2F;transforming-the-systems-movement&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thesystemsthinker.com&#x2F;transforming-the-systems-movem...</a>)<p><i>Relevant Tools and Websites:</i><p>- Kumu (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;kumu.io" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;kumu.io</a>) - Web-based tool for building interactive system maps.<p>- The Systems Thinker (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thesystemsthinker.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;thesystemsthinker.com&#x2F;</a>) - Complete library of all &quot;The Systems Thinker&quot; publications over the past 30 years<p>(Disclosure: I&#x27;m a cofounder of Kumu)
gaius大约 7 年前
Step 1: get out of the habit of thinking “systems” means “computers”. People and processes (<i>not</i> Unix processes!) are the major components of systems in this context.
bordercases大约 7 年前
The box-and-arrows paradigm for systems, built in the 50s and enjoying popularity briefly in the 80s, is overrated, and has been outmoded by the likes of complexity theory. This is due to the fact that box-and-arrows systems like those made by Club of Rome to predict civilizational collapse carry strong assumptions as to the nature and structure of underlying variables and as such become very brittle as the size of the system scales. The norm is not the closed-loop circuit models that initially inspired systems thinking, but open-loop energetic models where any structural element is more like a rarified pattern than an ontological atom.<p>The result is a discipline that has transformed into managing uncertain outcomes in large heterogeneous models, i.e. complexity theory, rather than reducing everything to balls-and-sticks. Meadows was famous for devising &quot;12 basic places to intervene in a system&quot;, nowadays the focus is on hedging bets adequately such that interventions don&#x27;t catastrophically fuck up.<p>That said, some of the basic tooling is still flexible enough for basic business problems and some of the old gems are able to explain important concepts found in other fields without getting bogged down in the math.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Early-Retirement-Extreme-Philosophical-Independence&#x2F;dp&#x2F;145360121X" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Early-Retirement-Extreme-Philosophica...</a> is my favourite, it&#x27;s not about retirement, it&#x27;s about using systems thinking to devise a robust lifestyle.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Introduction-General-Systems-Thinking-Anniversary&#x2F;dp&#x2F;0932633498&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Introduction-General-Systems-Thinking...</a> will make a good complement to Meadows and should give you a calculus to rigorously think of systems with.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Introduction-Cybernetics-W-Ross-Ashby&#x2F;dp&#x2F;1614277656&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Introduction-Cybernetics-W-Ross-Ashby...</a> for its explanation on entropy, I mean requisite diversity, which will you give you an approximate mental quantity of how &quot;powerful&quot; any given system is.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Sciences-Artificial-Herbert-Simon&#x2F;dp&#x2F;0262691914&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Sciences-Artificial-Herbert-Simon&#x2F;dp&#x2F;...</a> and <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Design-Rules-Vol-Power-Modularity&#x2F;dp&#x2F;0262024667&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Design-Rules-Vol-Power-Modularity&#x2F;dp&#x2F;...</a> I haven&#x27;t read either of these, but Herb Simon is extremely influential and has great thoughts on the notion of system hierarchies (nearly-decomposable systems is a great concept for design). The second book is about the properties of modular systems, which will help grok the reasoning behind a lot of refactoring techniques.<p>Good luck.
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