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The Unnerving Existence of Teen Boss

153 点作者 Doches大约 7 年前

20 条评论

michaelbuckbee大约 7 年前
HN folks without kids of a certain age may not realize just how deeply children today are into Youtube personalities&#x2F;channels, Twitch streamers, etc.<p>That being said, I think it&#x27;s generally a positive thing. Teen Boss isn&#x27;t replacing kids reading the WSJ, it&#x27;s replacing tweens swooning over boy band photos in Tiger Beat.<p>YT&#x2F;Streaming isn&#x27;t without its weirdness, but it&#x27;s significantly more participatory and encouraging of people creating and making things as an alternative to purely consuming media.<p>I&#x27;d rather my daughter want to make YouTube videos and open an Etsy shop with her designs than mindlessly watch Hannah Montana (which I feel like is the equivalent from a decade ago).<p>As a peek into this world, check out Rosanna Pansino (Nerdy Nummies YT channel) and how successful she is:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=6i2cebTn0nc" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=6i2cebTn0nc</a><p>There are worse role models for kids.
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overthemoon大约 7 年前
&quot;One of the most troubling features of life under twenty-first-century American capitalism, I find, is the way that it can limit your sense of human potential; in the process of choosing from among overpriced health-insurance packages, I sometimes forget that it is possible for a government to refuse to allow its citizens to go bankrupt while they’re attempting to stay alive. One issue of Teen Boss features a quiz called “Which CELEB-PRENEUR Are You Most Like?” The options are life-style blogger, creator of a name-brand fashion line, owner of a YouTube channel, and founder of a personal-makeup brand. Another quiz helps girls figure out their “life motto,” letting them choose from “Be Your Own Biggest Cheerleader,” “Nothing Is Impossible,” and “Always Do What You’re Afraid to Do.”&quot;<p>I really like Jia Tolentino&#x27;s writing.<p>The magazine sucks because it valorizes materialism. There&#x27;s not much more to it than that. Greed is repackaged as positivity and girl power, but it&#x27;s still a void. The passage I quoted is right--our idea of success is slowly narrowing to this kind of 21st century internet-mediated entrepreneurship. We should dream bigger than kids screaming about video games on youtube.<p>It reminds me of the often repeated phrase used to respond to people criticizing a popular kids&#x27; book: &quot;Well, at least they&#x27;re reading.&quot; The version that would defend this kind of content says &quot;at least they&#x27;re making something!&quot; The act of creation by itself isn&#x27;t noble, neither is the act of reading alone. &quot;Would you rather they just watch TV??&quot; No. It&#x27;s a false choice. Aim higher.
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jknoepfler大约 7 年前
I honestly don&#x27;t see what&#x27;s wrong or surprising about this. I personally find the content nauseous, but if a hypothetical thirteen year old daughter were curious about it I&#x27;d be happy to read through an issue and talk about it. It sounds like a good conversation starter for the different axes of human ambition and human value. Teaching from the extremes isn&#x27;t my favorite idea, but so be it.<p>I force myself to listen to crazy angry conservative and christian radio on and off for the same reason. If we can&#x27;t embrace aspects of human personality that we find loathesome, I don&#x27;t think we can love others, or ourselves.<p>Interestingly I feel like this article comes from a similar place as anger radio (which is, ironically, overwhelmingly money-motivated and exploitative).<p>I guess what I&#x27;m trying to say is that I don&#x27;t see the value in otherizing media like this. It exists, it&#x27;s part of our culture, and in one way or another, it&#x27;s a part of us. Embrace it, engage with it, teach from it, but don&#x27;t revile it.
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kristianc大约 7 年前
What really is unnerving about this? Ambition, craving financial success, and gasp-horror &#x27;entrepreneurship&#x27; may be beneath the kind of people who end up writing staff columns for the New Yorker, but there&#x27;s nothing inherently wrong with it.<p>Dare I say it, “I have to remind myself that I can’t overdo it, so I’ll do my posts, and then turn off my phone for the night and just be isolated.” might be good advice for the author, who from her Twitter seems to be a fully paid-up member of &#x27;lol trying to adult&#x27; Twitter.
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ravenstine大约 7 年前
Assuming it&#x27;s not a hoax, is this really any worse than existing girl magazines? When I was a teen, I got peeks at my sister&#x27;s magazines and they were primarily about makeup and boys(to graduate you to magazines with misguided sex &quot;secrets&quot;). At least Girl Boss teaches you to make money, supposedly.<p>Would we feel differently if it was called &quot;Boy Bo$$&quot;?
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JDiculous大约 7 年前
Well if this isn&#x27;t late stage capitalism, then I don&#x27;t know what is. In a couple hundred years, I could see this magazine cover being hung up on display in a &quot;museum of capitalism&quot;.<p>As other commenters have pointed out, it&#x27;s certainly better than celebrity gossip, and probably not any worse than the other crap they would be exposed to. Entrepreneurship is a fantastic thing to promote, and being a social media star is certainly more fun and lucrative than being a 9-5 office drone with health insurance.<p>But there&#x27;s something insidious about priming teenagers into this materialistic mindset, that the way to &quot;make it&quot; is to gain a large social media following competing in a shallow clickbait-ridden space, where only the top 1% or so can ever make it anyways (not everybody can be a social media star, just like not everybody can make a living as a musician. Our attention span is limited).<p>I don&#x27;t have a problem with this magazine. This magazine is simply a sad reflection of our hypercapitalist reality.
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DanHulton大约 7 年前
I remember being around that age and being obsessed with entrepreneurship. It was in the short stories I read, it was discussed in class, I even joined a Young Entrepreneurs after-school club, where students -- aided by local businesspeople -- would create a company, decide on products, then produce and sell them.<p>And while I&#x27;m a guy, I remember that club being balanced roughly 50-50, boys and girls, and in point of fact, most of the leadership positions (we elected Presidents and VPs, in mock-corporate fashion) were girls.<p>I think all that&#x27;s changed is the focus of how and where money is earned, and maybe not all that much? The article mentions that some of the ideas recommended are &quot;snow shoveling&quot; and &quot;setting up a laser tag course&quot;, which aren&#x27;t the wild, forced-estrogen-display, YouTube-infested hellscape that some other commenters seem to be upset about.
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SkyMarshal大约 7 年前
<i>&quot;Reading the magazine feels like watching a wall of YouTube videos inside a Claire’s jewelry store while a tween-age life-style coach screams at you to double your net worth.&quot;</i><p>Lol.<p><i>&quot;Money is to Teen Boss what sex is to Cosmopolitan—the essential, irreplaceable, attention-getting hook. (On the cover of each edition, the dollar signs in “Teen Bo$$!” occupy the same prime real estate, in the upper-left corner, that the word “sex” does on most Cosmo covers.)&quot;</i><p>Well encouraging young women to make money and work for financial independence is better than encouraging them to become sex objects, as many other mags targeting them do.
wyclif大约 7 年前
My 7 year-old boy already wants to start his own business, and routinely runs his ideas by me. He&#x27;s also a Minecraft fan, and his favourite YouTube channel is PopularMMOs. When he started watching it a lot and referring to &quot;Pat &amp; Jen&quot;, I decided to find out what that is all about. I was surprised to discover after a little googling that they&#x27;re a married couple who pull down $11m&#x2F;yr from YT.<p>And yes, as a parent I am unnerved by this article. While I don&#x27;t want to discourage his budding entrepreneurship and do want to encourage his initiative, I want him to apply it in a way that is realistic for a kid his age, and I also want to protect him from the inanity (and worse) of stuff like TeenBoss and various get-rich-quick schemes and snake oil sales. I want him to learn the value of hard work, practise, being punctual, and skills that will help him excel in whatever it is he decides to do as an adult. At this point, that means studying, doing well academically, and possibly starting a cottage business his parents can help him with (fortunately, he&#x27;s a First Honors student).
TangoTrotFox大约 7 年前
I think this magazine is quite bizarre, but on the other hand I think entrepreneurship starts young. My first &#x27;business&#x27; was selling coke at my school. The coke machine cost $0.50 and I saw at Sam&#x27;s Club you could get some massive box dozens of offbrand cola for ~$10. Keep them in a cooler, sell them at breaks for $0.25 - that was a ton of money for a middle school kid. Always wondered why more people don&#x27;t take advantage of little market openings like this. Maybe a silly magazine can inspire people to think outside the box a bit more.
matte_black大约 7 年前
The way some people see this magazine is the way I see some of the &quot;adult&quot; Entrepreneur&#x2F;Startup Lifestyle stuff that&#x27;s out there.
kraig911大约 7 年前
I think many in this forum are at it to make money. So I sincerely doubt they&#x27;d have a problem with it. To me it&#x27;s an emblem or icon if you will of what&#x27;s going on in today&#x27;s world. Value purely is existentially equated to money. To me that&#x27;s bad. However is it as bad as everything else? No. Is it better than most everything else. Yes very much yes. Sucks to say because it makes me see the ugly realization of the actual capitalistic world we live in.
EtDybNuvCu大约 7 年前
I&#x27;ve apparently read my last complimentary article for the month. Slate also has an article about this, so if it&#x27;s a hoax, it&#x27;s a very convincing hoax: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;slate.com&#x2F;technology&#x2F;2018&#x2F;02&#x2F;a-close-reading-of-teen-boss-a-magazine-for-gen-z-entrepreneurs-and-a-horrifying-artifact-of-our-times.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;slate.com&#x2F;technology&#x2F;2018&#x2F;02&#x2F;a-close-reading-of-teen...</a>
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rllin大约 7 年前
It&#x27;s increasingly looking like the biggest shift in our lifetimes is not sudden mass automation of the labor industry but the shift from a service industry to a content creation industry.<p>If you&#x27;re not a content creator&#x2F;owner, you&#x27;re a content consumer. Content is the new rent seeking.
MechEStudent大约 7 年前
Teens have been a monetized commodity since the birth of MTV. This isn&#x27;t a surprise. After 40 years, this qualifies as a &#x27;murican cultural value.
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excitom大约 7 年前
Entertaining article. My favorite line: Describing the cover model&#x27;s smile as a &quot;rictus of high-octane enthusiasm&quot;.
speedplane大约 7 年前
Families used to teach children the value of a dollar by getting them to setup a lemonade stand or mowing a neighbor&#x27;s lawn. Now they can command far higher pay by managing that neighbor&#x27;s social media account. Go get em.
s_m大约 7 年前
We live in a brutal economic climate. Who can blame these kids for setting their sights on fame and fortune?
busterarm大约 7 年前
Gro$$
yelloweyes大约 7 年前
how much of a sociopath do you have to be to be a part of this magazine
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