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The Subway Is So Late, It’s Making New Yorkers Early

191 点作者 onuralp大约 7 年前

23 条评论

wgerard大约 7 年前
It&#x27;s interesting seeing the ways people work around this, even for people who don&#x27;t have hard start&#x2F;end times (e.g. tech employees).<p>I have one friend who uses Citi Bike to get to important meetings &lt; 30 blocks away, because they don&#x27;t trust the subway to get them there on time (and during peak hours, cabs are even slower). I have another who goes pretty far out of their way to avoid the more troublesome lines (the F, specifically). Some have started using the bus much more regularly, because at least the bus doesn&#x27;t break down for an hour at a time. One manager I know just stopped scheduling any meetings before 11, because they got tired of having people miss meetings or come in late because of the trains.<p>I think people who don&#x27;t live in the city don&#x27;t realize how (relatively) stressful it can be when the trains are late. Riding the train during peak hours is already a pretty stressful experience: The sardine analogy is very real, and it&#x27;s fairly common for trains to be so packed that I literally don&#x27;t have room to even put my phone in front of my face (let alone a book or anything else) to pass the time.<p>Now imagine that, but the train platform is also similarly packed. And people are fighting (sometimes literally) to get onto the packed train. And you&#x27;ll have to wait for 2-3 trains to pass, because there&#x27;s no empty space on the trains. And you&#x27;re late, and you have no idea when you&#x27;ll get to where you&#x27;re going because the train ETA board just says &quot;Delay&quot;. And when you need to get off the train, you&#x27;ll have to just pray that people make room for you or you&#x27;ll have to really force your way through the crowd on your way out.
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DalekBaldwin大约 7 年前
The fundamental reason for worsening subway service in recent years may be more mundane than we assumed: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.villagevoice.com&#x2F;2018&#x2F;03&#x2F;13&#x2F;the-trains-are-slower-because-they-slowed-the-trains-down&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.villagevoice.com&#x2F;2018&#x2F;03&#x2F;13&#x2F;the-trains-are-slowe...</a><p>It was slowly driving me insane at my last job. Now, I just have to dial in to the morning meeting, then I can work from home for about an hour before heading in to the office, and we&#x27;ve been asked to stay home even for fairly light snowstorms this winter. I wouldn&#x27;t be surprised if other tech companies in the city are adding more flexibility to their work hours.
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StanislavPetrov大约 7 年前
To me (as a life long New Yorker) this is yet another sign of our decaying society - our crumbling empire. I&#x27;ve often wondered if the people of Rome understood that their empire was crumbling. Did they actually see the signs as it happened, or did it occur in such a way that the slow-motion decline wasn&#x27;t sharply felt? The problems here aren&#x27;t just the subways. The roads, the bridges and other infrastructure are also crumbling around us. The airports are a disaster of endless construction that never get completed and just add to the misery of travelers and the sense of overall decay. The LIRR is as bad or worse as the crumbling subway system. More New Yorkers are living paycheck to paycheck as the cost of housing, healthcare, insurance, and education soar far beyond what working people can afford. Our bloated bureaucracy continues to grow like a cancer, guided by the likes of the eminently corrupt Andrew Cuomo (and his allies in both political parties who serve the same moneyed interests), draining ever-more resources while providing ever-fewer critical services. Homelessness and poverty are increasing, while those at the very top of the economic pyramid are growing fabulously wealthy. Among this myriad of growing problems, we as a nation continue to ignore these issues and pour our limited resources into endless foreign wars and occupations. Unfortunately, dark days are ahead.
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tokyoguy大约 7 年前
it&#x27;s frustrating to read this thread and watch people make excuses for NYC . NYC is not special. Tokyo has old subways 3-4x the stations and 10x the riders. They manage to rebuild , change tracks, build new ones and generally do the maintainence and upkeep required to keep it running well and on time.<p>NYC&#x27;s issues are entirely about politics and leadership and nothing to do with anything unique to NYC<p>que more excuses
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somberi大约 7 年前
Many readers have quoted the superiority (rightfully so), of Moscow and Tokyo subway systems.<p>Both these systems operate from around 5am till midnight (approx). NYC Subway operates 24 hours. These few hours downtime, make a huge difference with respect to maintainability and upkeep. These 4 hours each day adds up to ~60 full days of maintenance window.<p>Maybe NYC can stop the late-night services for a year or so and I am sure better brains than mine have considered this.<p>On a separate note, it might help to note that usage of NYC Subway has increased by 80% over the last ~20 years (1). It will be interesting to see the same trend for Moscow and Tokyo subways.<p>NewYorker here and Subway rider here.<p>(1)<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;interactive&#x2F;2017&#x2F;06&#x2F;28&#x2F;nyregion&#x2F;subway-delays-overcrowding.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;interactive&#x2F;2017&#x2F;06&#x2F;28&#x2F;nyregion&#x2F;subw...</a>
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chrischen大约 7 年前
What does it exactly mean for a subway that&#x27;s supposed to run every 3-5 minutes to be &quot;late&quot;? Are NY metro trains so infrequent that a schedule is that important?
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kgc大约 7 年前
Maybe they should have scheduled maintenance closures that reoccur over the same parts of the day every day. Say, 1-5am?. So, it would be a 20hr&#x2F;day instead of 24hr&#x2F;day subway, but would be dependable during those 20 hrs.
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JumpCrisscross大约 7 年前
I have a limiting rule, living in New York, to leave for meetings no later than 1 hour before the start time. It ensures I’m relaxed and on time. It gives me a moment to observe before the action begins. And it forces me to be more judicious about the number of meetings I book. (Granted, this only works since I can be productive on my phone while I wait.)
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jorblumesea大约 7 年前
I&#x27;m confused as to why the US seems to fail or fall so far behind in infrastructure compared to other developed nations. It seems that we throw money at our problems but seemingly get nowhere. It&#x27;s sad because there&#x27;s many amazing things about this country, but we cannot do basic things like make trains run on time.
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scarface74大约 7 年前
Just to put things in perspective.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.moneycrashers.com&#x2F;worst-us-cities-traffic-commute-time&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.moneycrashers.com&#x2F;worst-us-cities-traffic-commut...</a><p>I&#x27;ve been commuting (by car) for 30-60 minutes one way depending on my job for 20+ years in Atlanta. I didn&#x27;t realize that a 30 minute commute was considered &quot;bad&quot;.<p>It really doesn&#x27;t bother me. I put on a podcast and enjoy the downtime. I also don&#x27;t have young kids.<p>When my 15 year old son has to stay late and I can&#x27;t get to him,I just tell him to take Uber. My wife and I have agreed to &quot;work hard, play hard&quot;. We cherish our weekends.<p>All that being said, I can understand the difference being stuck outside in the cold at the whims of public transportation and being in your own car.
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dazc大约 7 年前
Pure coincidence? Meet the Brit in charge of fixing NYC&#x27;s subway. <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;world-us-canada-43561378" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bbc.co.uk&#x2F;news&#x2F;world-us-canada-43561378</a>
borne0大约 7 年前
The trains should only run on tracks that are completely enclosed (More control on the environment will realize better reliability, and as an aside nicer living space. Raised tracks are ugly.), Also they should run on rubber wheels like the Montreal metro has since 1966.<p>Both metros should have barrier between platforms and tracks since they know where the doors will open. It&#x27;s sad but a non-negligible cause of delays are due to people jumping on the tracks.
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swang大约 7 年前
I took a trip to ny last week and the area i was staying at (near trump tower, off lexington), the closest subways were the 2&#x2F;3&#x2F;E&#x2F;M but apparently on Saturday the 2 and 3 weren&#x27;t available going downtown, so I had to walk a block or so to get to another line to get where I was going.<p>Then I was in Brooklyn to watch a show that night, we got out around 9PM and was trying to figure out how to get back into the city, the line that was suppose to take us wasn&#x27;t running it&#x27;s normal route, so we had to take one stop into Barclays Center which renamed another line to the line that we wanted to go on. Seemed like the locals knew about this though.<p>I didn&#x27;t experience any major delays, but it was more like there was so much work being done that you had to spend extra energy remembering which line was available only one way and starting at which station. Google Maps was definitely very helpful.
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ggm大约 7 年前
I haven&#x27;t been in NY for over 10 years. When I was there, the subway was fantastic. On time, cheap and clean (ish)<p>Has there been some very rapid drop in service? is this something which forseeably could get better soon, or is it a one-way hole without a huge capital investment?
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Regardsyjc大约 7 年前
I&#x27;ve had a couple instances where the MTA was so messed up either through delays or a weekend schedule change that I had to get off the subway and order an Uber to reach my destination...<p>SHOWTIME folks seem to be starting again. I still have a strange anxiety that some crazy person will push me into the tracks if I get too close after those string of incidents a few years back. And now I also wonder when the next train derailment will be since those seem to now be a real possibility. Some of our trains are literally past their expiration date and begging for an accident. .
jotjotzzz大约 7 年前
NYC will never know how bad it is until they go out of the U.S. to such places in Asia like Thailand, HK, Taiwan, or Japan and experience those subway stations. There is no such thing as a &quot;weekend service&quot; and subways arrive on-time without question, there are clean restrooms and WiFi. The NYC subway is decades behind. It has remained stagnant in advancements and has now broken down due to lack of development and overcrowding. It&#x27;s a problem.
fancyfish大约 7 年前
There is one benefit of leaving early: not having to deal with vast crowds of riders on an overpacked train. Another side effect of underfunding.
ttn大约 7 年前
After I started riding motorcycle instead of public services or my car, time spent during transportation reduced almost %80. I live in Istanbul, when I leave work to go home (prime time) it takes up to 2 hours with car and 1.5 hour with public transportation to reach home. With my motorcycle it is around 25-35 minutes.
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mattupstate大约 7 年前
Wow, not one person read this article and saw the NYC cultural commentary? Don&#x27;t you all know we hate being early as much as we hate being late?
wink大约 7 年前
I&#x27;m confused about the part with the teacher. Where I went to school ALL the teachers arrived 15-60 minutes earlier and went into their dedicated room. I don&#x27;t remember exactly, but one of them coming in late was a &quot;once every few years&quot; thing.<p>Sure it sucks if you&#x27;re early but I suppose they could also just get some take-home work (like grading tests) that&#x27;s not due that day or prepare some stuff. Sure, some of them probably killed the time with morning newspaper and coffee... but still.
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evincarofautumn大约 7 年前
Similarly, I’ve come to rely on BART being late—although instead of arriving too early, I’m more likely to arrive late when I bet on a few minutes to spare, but the train happens to be running on time…and then end up working later to compensate.
danjayh大约 7 年前
God I&#x27;m glad that I live in a city where the public transit fans have soundly lost.
m3kw9大约 7 年前
Same with driving with variable traffic