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ISPs Aim to Use Facebook Fracas to Saddle Silicon Valley with Crappy New Laws

215 点作者 sqdbps大约 7 年前

15 条评论

drawkbox大约 7 年前
The ISPs are in an all out attack on competitors like Facebook&#x2F;Google&#x2F;Netflix&#x2F;others. ISPs bought their way into the market with the ISP privacy protections being removed [1][2] and net neutrality being killed rather than innovating. The privacy protections being removed helped lessen the FCC grip on privacy and helped their case, with legislators not the people, to remove FCC net neutrality protections.<p>It is obvious everywhere that massive PR pushes are going on and astroturfing to a heavy degree everywhere ISP competitors on the advertising&#x2F;privacy&#x2F;data space are.<p>Instead of innovating their way in with products people want and improving their networks so people pay more, the ISPs are trying to win this via bribing for legislation and mud slinging. They bought their way in with the ISP privacy protections being removed under the FCC to the FTC because they have more leverage there.<p>It is sad ISPs have resorted to this instead of innovating and creating products people want by improving them rather than trying to slow down competitors via bribing and lobbying.<p>ISPs were once a beacon of innovation bringing in broadband, now they are in the milking it phase.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;eff.org&#x2F;deeplinks&#x2F;2017&#x2F;03&#x2F;five-creepy-things-your-isp-could-do-if-congress-repeals-fccs-privacy-protections" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;eff.org&#x2F;deeplinks&#x2F;2017&#x2F;03&#x2F;five-creepy-things-your-is...</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.flake.senate.gov&#x2F;public&#x2F;index.cfm&#x2F;2017&#x2F;3&#x2F;op-ed-for-the-wall-street-journal" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.flake.senate.gov&#x2F;public&#x2F;index.cfm&#x2F;2017&#x2F;3&#x2F;op-ed-f...</a>
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scottie_m大约 7 年前
Silicon Valley needs new laws, accept that, and make the fight about ensuring those laws aren’t burdensome, anticompetitive, and downright stupid. If you spend your energy trying to make those laws not happen at all, they’ll be done to us and not with us. It’s time to accept that a significant (more than 65%) of people want regulations in the tech space, and calmly, patiently explain what kinds of regulations can be helpful and which would be disastrous. Accept that it will be a matter of compromise (at best) and that means no one will be entirely happy.
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carlmcqueen大约 7 年前
Can we please lump the data leaks of Equifax and the like in with the need for these new laws that shift user data from something companies are mining to something they are protecting and disclosing?
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mkirklions大约 7 年前
As someone that is programming a finance tech app, every regulation is bad for the future.<p>I am not afraid of regulation but its an annoying burden to keep big players big, and small players non-existent.<p>Most people do not have the money or motivation I have, and those people lose out because of regulations.<p>Never let a good tragedy go to waste.
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simion314大约 7 年前
IF there is a war between ISPs and social networks maybe we get some benefits like the practices of ISPs and social networks getting more public for the regular person.
cwyers大约 7 年前
This article feels so slanted it&#x27;s unreadable. Conceding that Facebook and Google probably actually do need to be regulated happens near the very bottom of the article; until then you&#x27;d be forgiven for thinking that the ISPs made all their concerns about those companies up.
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Gargoyle大约 7 年前
HN users have been pounding loudly on the anti-Facebook wardrums. Where did you imagine that going?
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yalogin大约 7 年前
Is there any website that documents who all the ISPs sell our data to? Or at least can we know how much they earn from our data?
macspoofing大约 7 年前
ISPs and traditional media outlets (old media).
walshemj大约 7 年前
&quot;Oh dear how sad&quot; hand back your licence then :-)
bitrazor123大约 7 年前
Frankly as an end-user , one has to choose between bad and worse. Consumers are a true product now, readily available for exploitation
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sqdbps大约 7 年前
So does the news industry.
908087大约 7 年前
Techdirt really doesn&#x27;t live up to its name. When that site isn&#x27;t actively avoiding major stories that make Silicon Valley megacorps look bad, they&#x27;re busily defending the Surveillance Valley business model outright.<p>The &quot;ISPs are bad, therefore Silicon Valley should be allowed to continue running roughshod over users&#x27; privacy&quot; narrative is really idiotic. It tries to present this as a situation where we have a choice of either regulating ISPs, or regulating privacy-invading Silicon Valley surveillance corporations, but not both.<p>Edit: I just read the full article, and yes maybe my assumption wasn&#x27;t charitable. That said, I had just got done reading this article where Mike Masnick encourages us to continue giving the benefit of the doubt to someone who has repeatedly violated trust for more than a decade, which left me <i>ass</i>uming it would just be more of the same.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.techdirt.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;20180408&#x2F;22400539590&#x2F;facebook-derangement-syndrome-company-has-problems-must-we-read-worst-into-absolutely-everything.shtml" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.techdirt.com&#x2F;articles&#x2F;20180408&#x2F;22400539590&#x2F;faceb...</a>
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dsfyu404ed大约 7 年前
The people who make up the tech industry been a huge proponent of regulating all sorts of things at all scales, from individual actions to small businesses to large corporations.<p>The use of the FB&#x2F;CA &quot;scandal&quot; to promote knee jerk legislation that burdens the tech industry is just tech being on the receiving end of something they have no qualms about advocating for when it happens to a different industry.
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mtgx大约 7 年前
Silicon Valley brought this to itself. I used to warn of this before, too, that they can&#x27;t continue to do &quot;evil stuff&quot; and expect to have people&#x27;s backing when the governments will come after them to regulate them for whatever reason. But they continued because they saw that nobody leaves them over the crap they pull so they thought there must be no consequences to their anti-consumer moves.<p>The only downside I see is that governments will use this excuse to bring more censorship and anti-encryption laws, too, and I <i>hate</i> that Silicon Valley companies put is in a position where we have to either put up with their crap or side with governments and get some bad internet laws passed.<p>But right now, I think it&#x27;s time to rein in on the Silicon Valley companies over their abuse of user data. Then we can deal with the abuse of user data by ISPs, data brokers, and everyone else. Ideally, this would be solved with a GDPR-like law, so that even ISPs &quot;lose&quot; in this scenario, and the consumers win. If we&#x27;re lucky we may be able to stave off the government from trying to put an anti-encryption bill into the whole thing.
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