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Hello: A new social network founded by Orkut's creator

234 点作者 TheAuditor大约 7 年前

63 条评论

jug大约 7 年前
The social network I&#x27;d like to try is this:<p>* Funded by subscriptions.<p>* Free from ads.<p>* Since it is not ad dependent, yes, it can also provide a chronological timeline.<p>* Two post types supported: Text and Photo. Because sometimes a photo does tell a thousand words.<p>* Links to websites not supported in posts. Avoids viral proliferation of dumbed down politics, fake news, or stupid memes. If you want to get to the web or read the news, don&#x27;t use a social network. They&#x27;re here for you to be social. As in talk. Chat. Write things about your day. Ask others about their day. You get the picture. Being social.<p>* Shares or &quot;retweets&quot; not supported. Also to disrupt viral spreading of stuff that is almost never about socializing, and nowadays instead disturbingly often about wanting to be virally spread as a goal in itself.<p>* And finally... &quot;Likes&quot; not supported. You don&#x27;t chat with friends at a café to get nods, right? You chat because you have something to say. If what you post is never commented on, yes, you can take it as a hint that you have little interesting to say. You can then choose to ignore that, or not. Comments, a will by others to interact, were always the true &quot;like&quot; anyway. If you write to be &quot;liked&quot;, as many on Facebook do, you write for the wrong reasons, at least on a SOCIAL network.<p>Since it is funded by subscriptions, it ought to lift the quality by this fact alone. Less shitposting. I guess one might say I want a social network. I have yet to see one that is just a social network.
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deanclatworthy大约 7 年前
Whilst the founder has credibility in this space, I don&#x27;t see what the problem is they are solving. There are many communities all across the internet, and also in centralised places like Facebook &amp; reddit. Forums still remain hugely popular for niche community operators.<p>The only way social is going to work and be improved going forward is through decentralisation and taking our data out of the hands of a central repository where it can be used to target us, and is more vulnerable to breaches. Once we have that baseline the other problems can be solved by the communities themselves.
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Communitivity大约 7 年前
The founder has an amazing history, and the description of Hello is enticing but vague of what differentiates it.<p>None of that matters for me though, because when I attempted to sign up from my laptop I got the message &#x27;Sorry, we&#x27;re mobile only&#x27;. I see no compelling reason to be mobile-only at full launch. Mobile-first for your MVP with early adopters, yes that makes a great deal of sense. But when a company does a full launch I think they should support as many of the major platforms as they can (Windows, Mac, Linux, Android, iOS).<p>Also, I am not convinced that we need yet another social media company (YASMC, &quot;Yazz-em-see&quot;?) that is centralized and will by necessity make money by monetizing attention.<p>Cal Newport thinks social protocols are the answer, as he discusses in <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;calnewport.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2018&#x2F;03&#x2F;20&#x2F;on-social-media-and-its-discontents&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;calnewport.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;2018&#x2F;03&#x2F;20&#x2F;on-social-media-and-it...</a>. I agree. I worked on this as the OASIS XDI technical committee co-chair for a while, and am working on something new now.
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tomcooks大约 7 年前
&gt; hello is the first social network built on loves, not likes.<p>Ah, ok.
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notheguyouthink大约 7 年前
It&#x27;s strange, in all this anti-socialnetwork craze, I&#x27;m craving a social network.<p>As it stands, I love the concept of a social network. I want a platform that facilitates at arms length socialization, because I&#x27;m rarely that in-person social with most of the people I know. A social network fills that need nicely. Yet, with that said, I don&#x27;t want centralization or obvious control over the information flow and ultimately how we think&#x2F;interact.<p>I feel like a scuttlebutt[1]-like solution is the answer, but I think it needs a bit more features. Like editing, web usage from federated platforms, etc.<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.scuttlebutt.nz" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.scuttlebutt.nz</a>
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sidkhanooja大约 7 年前
The service looks like a ripoff of Instagram (loves, not likes) and Reddit (communities). What problem is the site exactly trying to solve? I had to spend the better part of a month trying to hound my friends to use Signal. I am not going to waste time for a service that&#x27;s not even worth the effort.
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common_大约 7 年前
Not sure why this has been posted here. The app is nearly abandoned and dead at this point.<p>I know we all want alternatives to the status quo, but you&#x27;re not going to find it among a bunch of copycat services that haven&#x27;t solved any of the fundamental problems causing us so much trouble today.
thijser大约 7 年前
Weird, there seem to be two android apps for it, one old one with a quite low rating (3.3 &#x2F; 5): <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.appbrain.com&#x2F;app&#x2F;hello-com&#x2F;com.hello.application" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.appbrain.com&#x2F;app&#x2F;hello-com&#x2F;com.hello.application</a> and one launched 3 weeks ago: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.appbrain.com&#x2F;app&#x2F;hello-com&#x2F;com.hello.network" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.appbrain.com&#x2F;app&#x2F;hello-com&#x2F;com.hello.network</a>
cocktailpeanuts大约 7 年前
I hate to say this, but it&#x27;s either a terrible landing page or terrible product I&#x27;m seeing here.<p>I totally admire the effort to bring back Orkut, but I don&#x27;t see any value proposition that makes me want to try this out other than some philosophical words that anyone can say.<p>In fact, I have never seen a product introduced in these philosophical ways succeed. The only signal I get from this is that the creator is naive (No offense, I&#x27;m sure the creator is insightful as he&#x27;s the one who created one of the earliest social networks in the world, but just saying that&#x27;s not what the copy on the website is signaling).<p>If you believe in &quot;love, not likes&quot;, I would like to see HOW you implemented it. Otherwise there are tons of social networks out there each with its own twist in &quot;connecting with people with similar interests&quot;.<p>Maybe there&#x27;s more to the product than what the website says, and if that&#x27;s the case, you should show that instead.
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jarnix大约 7 年前
Honestly, I don&#x27;t think I want to join any other free &quot;social network&quot; after what happened and still happens at Facebook. I would be okay to pay for a social network that respect my privacy and that would be limited in features like status, photos and groups.
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unicornporn大约 7 年前
&gt; hello is the first social network built on loves, not likes.<p>I&#x27;m sorry, but this sounds like a joke to me. Loves instead of likes? Is this the first thing you want to say about your born again social network.<p>&gt; I designed hello to help you connect with people who share your passions.<p>Sound very much like the “Facebook has always been about helping people make connections” mantra.<p>So, I guess it&#x27;s Facebook with loves and mobile app only... Say what you want about Mastodon, but at least it&#x27;s a <i>real</i> alternative.
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goshx大约 7 年前
The initial release was in 2016. The post on the home page is from 2017. They are all over the news today... good timing I guess.
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behringer大约 7 年前
Mobile only? No thanks.
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netrus大约 7 年前
This is very confusing. Your landing page is available in German, but the app is not available in Germany. Ratings in the Play Store are horrible, and support responds to bad reviews in the wrong language (English Review, Spanish response). The &quot;download page&quot; is 50% India and 50% all other countries. What is special about hello? After 2min on the website, I have no idea. And if I did not know orkut already, I would be soooo lost by the copy.
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willart4food大约 7 年前
So I got curious and download the app. Start setting it app and... lo and behold the app tells me that I already have an account. Fair enough I tend to try all new thing BUT . . . there&#x27;s no way for me to log onto the account, the one and only option that appears in the app is to create a new account.<p>LOL
b3orn大约 7 年前
Previously on Hacker News in 2016 <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=12231101" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=12231101</a>
corobo大约 7 年前
With all of the news about Facebook hijacking content from mobile phones I do wish all of these new social networks would come with a website I can use, at least to test the waters
bigato大约 7 年前
I tried Hello once it was launched, hopeful that it would be a viable alternative to facebook which would gain traction because of Orkut&#x27;s name. I really tried to like it, but I gave up because it didn&#x27;t have a way to find my real life friends back then. I don&#x27;t know about now. But when I looked at it, it was all about connecting via shared interests, and apparently they didn&#x27;t want me to search for people by name.
projectramo大约 7 年前
You know, no network is made for &quot;hate&quot; per se. The problem is that hate from the outside looks like love on the inside.<p>You see this most clearly in conservative v liberal tribalism, but that example is so close to most people you may not see it.<p>Even the most horrible &quot;haters&quot; feel they are protecting or preserving their secularism&#x2F;race&#x2F;religion&#x2F;political opinion etc
roadbeats大约 7 年前
I didn&#x27;t know that Google shut down Orkut. Why did they shut down a network with such a large userbase? Was it focused on dating?
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bad_user大约 7 年前
App not available on the iTunes store in my country, Romania.<p>I don&#x27;t get why app developers feel the need to add restrictions like that. Don&#x27;t they need early adopters?<p>Also it&#x27;s mobile only at this point. While I understand why, another app that&#x27;s supposed to increase my mobile addiction won&#x27;t change the world and is not going to win me over, sorry.
adrianwaj大约 7 年前
One of the problems I&#x27;ve seen with FB is invisible followers. A whole bunch of people, possibly very famous people could be following you and you&#x27;d never know it. (same with IG)<p>There must be user-levels on FB, and FB might even be charging money to their most privileged users for various rights you couldn&#x27;t imagine. Even getting a verified account could cost a lot of money, who knows?<p>add: actually I just imagined what rights they have: IP theft, made legal.<p>As soon as you upload something to FB and IG (a photo or text,) it belongs to FB, right?<p>So say you upload a photo and some famous person likes it and copies it 99% of the way, but <i>they have the permission to do that from FB</i> then it&#x27;s not theft, right?<p>But there must be a guilty conscience otherwise why hide the famous person from doing the following in the first place? It&#x27;s a leaching mentality. You&#x27;ve walked through the jungle and got some leaches stuck to you. Whose fault is that?
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have_faith大约 7 年前
&gt; The more interactions your contributions generate, the more likely you will become a persona leader.<p>&gt; Each milestones, unlock rewards, and add layers of fun to your social connections as you venture through hello.<p>I thought we wanted to move away from gamified social interaction
cs702大约 7 年前
Nowadays, whenever I read about any new for-profit social network platform, no matter what their new twist is, my gut reaction is to feel as if they&#x27;re asking:<p>&quot;Please give your data to <i>us</i> instead of Facebook, Google, or the other usual suspects.&quot;
beager大约 7 年前
I think we are beyond the point where services can lead with being a social network and succeed. Every service that supports multi-user interaction is a network, and every network that supports personal expression in its interactions is a social network.<p>A service that is, as this is billed, just a social network, with no clear defining feature or problem it’s solving, is vapid and akin to the dotcom bubble.<p>I’m finding that “social networks” should be a consequence of a product that solves a real problem, not that product’s raison d’etre. And furthermore, given the data collection&#x2F;privacy zeitgeist of late, I’m of the belief that a social network developing within your service is a liability.
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zecg大约 7 年前
Neat idea, it used to be called friendfeed. Facebook bought it and shot it in the head.
tinyhouse大约 7 年前
Orkut was much worse than FB regarding data privacy. I agree the author doesn&#x27;t explain why Hello is different and tbh he talks about himself more than anything else.
NelsonMinar大约 7 年前
Back in 2004 Orkut and Google were sued by Affinity Engines, alleging Orkut stole their source code to start the social network at Google. The lawsuit was settled in 2006 but the details of that settlement have never been made public. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.technologyreview.com&#x2F;s&#x2F;402902&#x2F;did-google-steal-source-code&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.technologyreview.com&#x2F;s&#x2F;402902&#x2F;did-google-steal-s...</a>
cfv大约 7 年前
So it&#x27;s a mobile only, teen-centric social trinket that&#x27;s also not available at all on my country according to the play store.<p>Fuck that.
majani大约 7 年前
Is there any successful social network that launched with a big splash? Big launches seem counter productive in social. You have a shitload of random people signing up, only to find that their friends are not yet on the network and they leave disappointed. Seems like grassroots marketing is the only way with social media
fataliss大约 7 年前
Just want to point out that in their ToS, they specify that while you have the option of deleting your User data, they are not responsible in any way for doing so and can&#x27;t guarantee that you deleting the data will actually delete your data... That&#x27;s a big no for me right there.
binaryorganic大约 7 年前
You’d think that an app that had the foresight to ask which pronouns their users preferred would not limit it to two options, or at the very least wouldn’t require an answer.<p>Also strange that an app asking me for my real name isn’t being louder about their stance on privacy at signup (given the present climate).<p>That said, it feels like mobile-only Reddit, but without the user base.
roymckenzie大约 7 年前
The next social network I join will be decentralized with a heavy focus on design and usability. Gtfo
iamthepieman大约 7 年前
I know this doesn&#x27;t matter as I&#x27;m a tiny minority but mobile only makes this inaccessible to me. I have no compelling reason to have a cell phone plan and this isn&#x27;t going to be one either.
zouhair大约 7 年前
Does anyone remember the Pierre Omidyar&#x27;s &quot;manifesto&quot; on how Ebay is all about what is good about human and that humans are mostly good by default? Can&#x27;t seem to find it anywhere.
mtgx大约 7 年前
I upvoted because I&#x27;d like to see more competition to FB so people don&#x27;t feel as &quot;trapped&quot; to one network, but I see no reason why this would be much better than FB privacy-wise.
GranPC大约 7 年前
Why is the privacy policy basically hidden away? <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hello.com&#x2F;policy&#x2F;privacy&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hello.com&#x2F;policy&#x2F;privacy&#x2F;</a>
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godelmachine大约 7 年前
I loved Orkut like anything. They had this &quot;Recent visitors&quot; feature which was super awesome! My second favourite feature was &quot;Scrapbook&quot;<p>When Orkut was discontinued, I was too sad.
zealsham大约 7 年前
I find it funny how the app makers and founder talks about spreading love and meeting people of similar interest but the app is made unavailable for most west African countries .
sschueller大约 7 年前
Still can&#x27;t signup if not in the list of supported countries.
chaz6大约 7 年前
I never could figure out why Orkut did not see the success that Facebook did. Unfortunately this incarnation requires an Android or iOS app so it is a non-starter for me.
akskos大约 7 年前
Orkut is a finnish colloquial word for &quot;orgasms&quot;.
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faitswulff大约 7 年前
I feel like Facebook Groups and Google Plus communities have proven that organizing people around their shared interests doesn&#x27;t work very well.
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haloboy777大约 7 年前
Not available for India. Great. Leave out the most populous country in the world which has a long history with Orkut. I love this. (sarcasm)
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lucasnichele大约 7 年前
Please do not put something like a chat or messenger. I have 6 apps to communicate, each type of person has a different channel to speak.
batat大约 7 年前
<p><pre><code> This app can: - find accounts on the device - read your contacts </code></pre> Can I be social with someone chosen by my own, please?
jshawl大约 7 年前
Bounced at gender binary selection as well as requiring a photo. Otherwise I enjoyed the progressive on boarding experience.
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appleflaxen大约 7 年前
Is this a Google product, then?<p>It says he was a google engineer, but I get the impression he left. So this is independent, right?
kseistrup大约 7 年前
Google Play Store says “This item is not available in your country.” (Denmark)<p>Hello&#x27;s loss, not mine…
4fath大约 7 年前
not available in Turkey. By the way founder is from Turkey as he said in motivation part.
hardasspunk大约 7 年前
If it allows me to remain anonymous and does not tracks me, spy me etc. I am down for it!
mmgutz大约 7 年前
What makes it different? Not much info and I&#x27;m not going to download an app to see.
hbbio大约 7 年前
Just wondering: How did you (supposing Orkut reads this here) get the IP out of Google?
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ggambetta大约 7 年前
The real question here is whether they removed the very inappropriate animated emoji.
TheAuditor大约 7 年前
One can&#x27;t exactly understand the need for or the reason for this new product.
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arsalanb大约 7 年前
And continues to remain blocked here in the UAE.
sriram_iyengar大约 7 年前
Is this a real website or some click bait !
arthurcolle大约 7 年前
this seems better executed than the aesthetic disaster that is ello.co, so props to that
m3kw9大约 7 年前
It’s Google, smelling blood
dbg31415大约 7 年前
Seems to be US-only?
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dvfjsdhgfv大约 7 年前
&gt; Oh no, it looks like you&#x27;re trying to access the hello app from your desktop or laptop (we&#x27;re mobile only)<p>Good bye, Orkut! You didn&#x27;t even give me a chance to convince me I should make the effort of installing yet another app on my phone.
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dahidahi1大约 7 年前
Orkut was so popular in some parts of the world like India that I always wondered why Google thought it better to shut it down. All those orkut users moved to Facebook &amp; made Facebook a hugely popular platform. I hope the same does not happen with Hello.
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_o_大约 7 年前
I am not going to any non open source social network again. If self hosted even better. And no closed clients any more.