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Russia Bans 1.8M Amazon and Google IPs in Attempt to Block Telegram

330 点作者 campuscodi大约 7 年前

42 条评论

petercooper大约 7 年前
The founder of Telegram has just put this in his public Telegram channel - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;t.me&#x2F;durov" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;t.me&#x2F;durov</a>:<p>&quot;For the last 24 hours Telegram has been under a ban by internet providers in Russia. The reason was our refusal to provide encryption keys to Russian security agencies. For us, this was an easy decision. We promised our users 100% privacy and would rather cease to exist than violate this promise.<p>Despite the ban, we haven’t seen a significant drop in user engagement so far, since Russians tend to bypass the ban with VPNs and proxies. We also have been relying on third-party cloud services to remain partly available for the rest of our users.<p>Thank you for your support and loyalty, Russian users of Telegram. Thank you, Apple, Google, Amazon, Microsoft – for not taking part in political censorship.<p>Russia accounts for ~7% of the Telegram user base, and even if we lose that entire market, Telegram’s organic growth in other regions will compensate for this loss within a couple of months. However, it is personally important for me to make sure we do everything we can for our Russian users.<p>To support internet freedoms in Russia and elsewhere I started giving out bitcoin grants to individuals and companies who run socks5 proxies and VPN. I am happy to donate millions of dollars this year to this cause, and hope that other people will follow. I called this Digital Resistance – a decentralized movement standing for digital freedoms and progress globally.&quot;
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lgl大约 7 年前
A few months ago I read an article about Telegram and their related companies and individuals. [1] The article read like a mix between a nerdy James Bond story, a bad Law and Order episode, a Mexican soap opera and a Russian episode of Cribs. It was written by an ex-employee so I took it with a grain of salt. Nevertheless, the article brings up a lot of red flags and shady behavior. Combined with their (alleged) connection with the Russian government, roll-your-own-crypto and the recent &gt;billion dollar ICO it doesn&#x27;t really make me all that willing to use Telegram any time soon.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@anton.rozenberg&#x2F;pavel-durov-sued-senior-tech-lead-for-1-7-b24961dec503" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@anton.rozenberg&#x2F;pavel-durov-sued-senior-...</a>
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craigds大约 7 年前
Why block Telegram and not .. all the others? Whatsapp, Signal, Viber, ... Are they objecting to the use of encryption? Because everyone uses encryption almost all the time for everything everywhere. The cat has been well and truly released from that bag. Are they just going to turn off the internet altogether?
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ayumukasuga大约 7 年前
You can watch how internet is dying here <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;2018.schors.spb.ru&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;2018.schors.spb.ru&#x2F;</a> Graph represents a number of blocked IPs.
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y_molodtsov大约 7 年前
And they also ordered Apple and Google to remove the app from their stores. I understand there are workarounds, but I&#x27;d really like them to respond with &quot;f*ck yourself&quot;. It&#x27;s a shame they won&#x27;t do that, though.
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pandasun大约 7 年前
There&#x27;s a pull request with 127.0.0.1 in it.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;zapret-info&#x2F;z-i&#x2F;pull&#x2F;10&#x2F;commits&#x2F;8394b2026cf9e81bb9392e6cef549848a161369f" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;zapret-info&#x2F;z-i&#x2F;pull&#x2F;10&#x2F;commits&#x2F;8394b2026...</a><p>Wonder if they&#x27;ll merge it.
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tici_88大约 7 年前
Maybe the goal of the Russian government was to block the Amazon and Google APIs in the first place, and they used Telegram as a convenient excuse. Just a thought.
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banana_giraffe大约 7 年前
Interesting to see which regions they&#x27;re blocking, and how much they&#x27;re blocking in each region. For IPv4 addresses only:<p><pre><code> Region Desc IPs Blocked % Blocked ap-northeast-1 Asia Pacific (Tokyo) 1984800 786451 39.62% ap-northeast-2 Asia Pacific (Seoul) 459024 131073 28.55% ap-northeast-3 Asia Pacific (Osaka-Local) 65808 0 0.00% ap-south-1 Asia Pacific (Mumbai) 524560 65542 12.49% ap-southeast-1 Asia Pacific (Singapore) 1067552 425990 39.90% ap-southeast-2 Asia Pacific (Sydney) 1147168 163852 14.28% ca-central-1 Canada (Central) 196880 3 0.00% cn-north-1 China (Beijing) 231456 0 0.00% cn-northwest-1 China (Ningxia) 100368 0 0.00% eu-central-1 EU (Frankfurt) 1049888 787013 74.96% eu-north-1 EU (North tba) 65808 0 0.00% eu-west-1 EU (Ireland) 3757344 1966319 52.33% eu-west-2 EU (London) 393488 131087 33.31% eu-west-3 EU (Paris) 131344 1 0.00% sa-east-1 South America (Sao Paulo) 491808 65536 13.33% us-east-1 US East (N. Virginia) 10317600 4260203 41.29% us-east-2 US East (Ohio) 1179920 131079 11.11% us-gov-east-1 AWS GovCloud (US, East) 65552 0 0.00% us-gov-west-1 AWS GovCloud (US) 131088 32768 25.00% us-west-1 US West (N. California) 1311536 196642 14.99% us-west-2 US West (Oregon) 4917552 1769549 35.98% Total 29590544 10913108 36.88%</code></pre>
SXX大约 7 年前
Just in case previously when same thing happened with service called Zello and back then Amazon cease to provide them service (forbid to change IPs) before actual subnets were banned. Soon we&#x27;ll see how Amazon &#x2F; Google will react on Kremlin bullying this time.
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kokx大约 7 年前
So, Telegram is blocked. But Facebook Messenger and WhatsApp are still online. Hence, this is pushing users of a (relatively) country-neutral service, towards more American services.<p>Seems like a weird move for Russia.
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dunkelheit大约 7 年前
The first round of the fight is clearly won by telegram - roscomnadzor is perceived as a lumbering and inept gorilla whose actions harm innocent bystanders while telegram continues to work almost perfectly.<p>Next we will see how effective the deletion of the telegram app from the Russian app stores will be. Because of the centralized nature of the stores telegram can’t do much with it (they can try publishing clones of the client under unaffiliated entities, but apple and google can easily ban those too). Also it is rumored that the client uses push notifications to deliver proxy settings to devices and these also can be easily blocked by the store owners.<p>Interesting times.
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linjus大约 7 年前
Soon enough, every country will have their own internet. Until the new new internet appears
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sAbakumoff大约 7 年前
Here is the blocked IP counter <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;2018.schors.spb.ru" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;2018.schors.spb.ru</a> The page is in Russian, but the graph should be clear. It&#x27;s now 16M IP&#x27;s!!! It causes multiple problems in various services in Russia, but Telegram is still working as is :-0)
konart大约 7 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;2018.schors.spb.ru&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;2018.schors.spb.ru&#x2F;</a><p>16M already.
xhruso00大约 7 年前
Does this mean that Google&#x2F;Amazon customers on mentioned IP addresses are inaccessible? If so, I think Google&#x2F;Amazon will choose to cease the contract with Telegram.
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gonesilent大约 7 年前
Russia is taking a page out of the China internet playbook. Next it will build out it&#x27;s own great firewall and slowly unblock services after it gain&#x27;s control.
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candiodari大约 7 年前
This used to be a big problem for colo and decidated service providers. You get 2-3 napster&#x2F;bittorrent&#x2F;kazaa&#x2F;... or worse, some website some law enforcement agency finds objectionable ... with users renting&#x2F;paying for servers and <i>poef</i> entire countries and large isps block all your ranges. Happened all the time.
u04f061大约 7 年前
Insane! Telegram is blocked in my country too but they didn&#x27;t block millions of IPs I think to achieve that!
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2close4comfort大约 7 年前
How long until all countries firewall off and whole reason for creating the internet is completely lost.
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n0mer大约 7 年前
quote from <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;aspnet&#x2F;Docs&#x2F;issues&#x2F;5832" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;github.com&#x2F;aspnet&#x2F;Docs&#x2F;issues&#x2F;5832</a> : &quot;That&#x27;s not about the Azure&#x27;s sites only. Almost each of Microsoft&#x27;s sites is absolutely unusable in Russia now, like: Docs, MSDN, Visual Studio, Office, Windows, Xbox, all of them and many others are almost dead now.&quot;
Keloo大约 7 年前
15M IPs blocked. Are they going to block the whole internet??
kome大约 7 年前
At Telegram their are pulling a troll move of epic proportions, much bigger than the troll move of the Russian government. Let&#x27;s see what happens.
jankotek大约 7 年前
Hm, does that mean other IMs gave their encryption keys to Russian government?<p>Also could someone from Russia confirm telegram&#x2F;AWS are blocked?
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pandasun大约 7 年前
Is <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;zapret-info.gov.ru" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;zapret-info.gov.ru</a> being DDoS-ed?
Keloo大约 7 年前
Can&#x27;t wait for Durov comments on this. Really interested in the tech details. Any telegram developer here??
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MrDisposable大约 7 年前
Russian here. Good job Roskomnadzor. You just taught quite a few people to use VPN -- including me. And, as a side benefit, you created another image problem for Putin&#x27;s regime (as if he needed any more of that).<p>I already had Bitlocker on all my PCs, 2FA everywhere, moved from Gmail to Fastmail, and VPN was one of the last privacy-related things I procrastinated on. Now I have VPN on all my desktops and on my phone, turned on by default. And I also switched to 1.1.1.1 for DNS.<p>Thank you government, I guess?
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lostmsu大约 7 年前
Here&#x27;s what the article should be: Russia bans lots of AWS and GCP IPs to see no riot.
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formatCvt大约 7 年前
Video about this situation <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=lVFdFoj83a8" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=lVFdFoj83a8</a>
nashashmi大约 7 年前
&quot;The internet needs to have a better way to block parts of it without taking down the rest of the internet.&quot;<p>- Internal communication of the Russian Security agency
golergka大约 7 年前
And yet, Telegram is still working without a proxy or vpn.
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PunchTornado大约 7 年前
So what can telegram do if google and amazon bans them in Russia?
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ckastner大约 7 年前
If this is indeed a blanket banning of AWS and GCP, then I assume that Amazon and Google will soon remove Telegram.<p>It might be immoral, but it&#x27;s the fastest solution to the harm this causes to all other affected customers I can think of.
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viktorpw大约 7 年前
18 millions now, things go crazy and out of control
viktorpw大约 7 年前
18 millions now Things go crazy
Fremis大约 7 年前
16 millions already.
konart大约 7 年前
5M as of now.
levleontiev大约 7 年前
4.5M already.
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raverbashing大约 7 年前
Sounds like a good reason to advocate for IPv6
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miovoid大约 7 年前
18M already
shokunin大约 7 年前
Love it!
fehyjn大约 7 年前
nearly 6 million now
DIN0777大约 7 年前
ПОШЛИ НА ХУЙ ПИДАРАСЫ!