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A.I. Researchers Are Making More Than $1M, Even at a Nonprofit

309 点作者 wei_jok大约 7 年前

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blackbagboys大约 7 年前
So a tiny handful of top performers - plausibly few enough that you could fit them all on a schoolbus - in an ultra-hot technical field are raking in huge sums, for the moment.<p>Unless you are a top professor at an R1 research university or have a PhD from an R1 university studying under the other top minds in the field or are otherwise in the most elite fraction of the profession, it doesn&#x27;t sound like this is particularly useful information for the average practicing or aspiring data-tician. What&#x27;s the typical salary for someone with, say, a two-year professional masters?
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paulsutter大约 7 年前
“AI Celebrities Are Making More Than $1M, Even at a Nonprofit”<p>There, fixed it. These are celebrities within the field and there’s nothing surprising about their pay. YouTube celebrity pays more but I suppose you take what you can get.<p>Key quote:<p>““When you hire a star, you are not just hiring a star,” Mr. Nicholson of the start-up Skymind said. “You are hiring everyone they attract. And you are paying for all the publicity they will attract.”
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sytelus大约 7 年前
Wow... what a hyped up clickbait article! If you are a top performer in virtually any field in the world, you are likely making 10X than average norms. It doesn’t mean <i>everyone</i> is getting 10X. To get $1M in AI field you will need to have PhD from top institute, probably under well known adviser, might have even written a book, published award winning papers at top conferences and so on. It’s a big list and there are likely less than dozen people would qualify. And yes, they do deserve 10X income.<p>It’s not that author doesn’t know this. He even tries to protect himself by making sure facts are included:<p><i>At DeepMind, a London A.I. lab now owned by Google, costs for 400 employees totaled $138 million in 2016, according to the company’s annual financial filings in Britain. That translates to $345,000 per employee, including researchers and other staff.</i>
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gwern大约 7 年前
Form 990 link:<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;990s.foundationcenter.org&#x2F;990_pdf_archive&#x2F;810&#x2F;810861541&#x2F;810861541_201612_990.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;990s.foundationcenter.org&#x2F;990_pdf_archive&#x2F;810&#x2F;8108615...</a><p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.guidestar.org&#x2F;FinDocuments&#x2F;2016&#x2F;810&#x2F;861&#x2F;2016-810861541-0eb61629-9.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.guidestar.org&#x2F;FinDocuments&#x2F;2016&#x2F;810&#x2F;861&#x2F;2016-8108...</a>
jasonkester大约 7 年前
It&#x27;s sad that the comments here mostly fall into a few categories:<p>- &quot;This is only a few people, so not something that could affect the rest of us&quot;<p>- &quot;Those people had a specific skill, so the rest of us couldn&#x27;t possibly make that much&quot;<p>- &quot;This is only happening in the Bay Area, so anybody living anywhere else shouldn&#x27;t expect to make that much&quot;<p>It&#x27;s maddening. How about, instead, when we see another datapoint showing how ridiculously valuable we developers are to employers and our potential earning power, we talk about <i>how to get one of those million dollar salaries</i>. Because that is in fact doable, and this article highlights just one of the many ways a smart guy in his 20s could position himself so as to be <i>making</i> that million dollar salary within the next few years.<p>That would be much more productive than trying to prove to everybody that the market does in fact only ever pay $70k&#x2F;year because that&#x27;s what you see on that Java job ad on Monster.com.<p>This is a reality that developers need to take on board. And sadly, most people here are actively fighting against doing so. To their detriment.
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not_a_moth大约 7 年前
To be clear <i>a few</i> AI researchers are making more than $1M, and the &quot;even at a nonprofit&quot; is referring to arguably the most famous AI shop out there.<p>Source: work in AI.
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malux85大约 7 年前
Not unusual for people at the top of their game. I just turned down a 2M a year offer, and I have a friend who is making 2.9M USD. It&#x27;s just a value proposition, he makes the company a <i>lot</i> more than 2.9 million a year, and when you negotiate you negotiate on value (and not on time) then you can justify these salaries.
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Daishiman大约 7 年前
A <i>very</i> specific skillset which will have that value until the next wave of techniques comes up.<p>I really don&#x27;t see the point of these articles. If you&#x27;re <i>the</i> expert corporate lawyer in mergers and acquisitions with an expertise in EU-US mergers in the agrochemical sector you&#x27;ll make bank when you hit that one huge multinational client. And then that combo of skills goes back to being not particularly valuable.
inverse_pi大约 7 年前
I don&#x27;t understand the surprises here. New grads out of undergrad these days are making 120k in base + about 250k RSUs vested in 4 years + 20k cash bonus every year. That&#x27;s about 200k &#x2F; year for a new grad from UNDERgrad. Ian Goodfellow invented GAN and he&#x27;s paid 1M a year and people are shocked?
tedsanders大约 7 年前
Genuine questions for those participating in this market (on either side):<p>-How is the performance of $1M AI researchers measured? Like, at their six month review, what do you look at to tell if your money is being well spent?<p>-How do you tell if it makes more sense to hire 1 famous AI researcher vs 10 additional junior data scientists? What sort of products are suited to different hiring strategies?<p>-How much of $1M AI researcher hiring is long-term&#x2F;speculative (i.e., based on hopes of future products&#x2F;revenue) vs short-term&#x2F;measurable (immediately measurable as soon as a code commit hits the product)? Are there examples of products where profit went up by millions after a famous AI researcher was hired?<p>It sounds like quite a few companies are grappling with these questions today. I&#x27;m really curious to know how their thinking is evolving on this topic.
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microtherion大约 7 年前
Who do these people think they are anyway? College football coaches?
notahacker大约 7 年前
The top players in a field with a lot of commercial potential can claim high salaries, even for doing quasi-academic research mostly on things they want to research.<p>That said, I&#x27;m reminded the champion of the effective altruism movement made his name arguing that charities ought to rigorously audit their efficiency in turning donations into results before recommending $30m of foundation cash went to this particular speculative nonprofit research project his roommate and future brother in law happened to work at...
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partycoder大约 7 年前
Some occupations such as football players or C-level executives make tens or hundreds of millions of dollars.<p>I am not surprised that an AI researcher can make that much.<p>Consider the AI researchers behind the optical recognition systems for handwritten text used in ATMs. Now you can massively deploy ATMs that read checks 24&#x2F;7 without supervision... Paying $1m 2018 dollars to those guys is not a proportional compensation with respect to the amount of wealth they brought in.
nl大约 7 年前
Well...<p>I’m going to be the one to say it. Ian Goodfellow is underpaid at 800K.
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everdev大约 7 年前
If someone is skilled and basically generating revolutionary IP on their own or in a small team, this sounds like a bargain.<p>Good AI easily can carry a $1B valuation, so a few million for you talent makes sense.
mythbuster2001大约 7 年前
I&#x27;m not sure anything that came out from OpenAI so far, justifies that sort of compensation... Maybe they have some aces up their sleeves...
mmagin大约 7 年前
It isn&#x27;t really notable that someone makes &lt;X&gt; salary &quot;at a nonprofit&quot;. Nonprofit doesn&#x27;t really mean charity.
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daemonk大约 7 年前
People who are really good at what they do often thinks what they do isn&#x27;t worth much because it&#x27;s easy for them. It&#x27;s part of why they are good at it.
mv4大约 7 年前
From the article: &quot;both were recruited from Google&quot;.<p>Previous employer seems to be a factor here.
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ikeboy大约 7 年前
&gt;Mr. Zaremba said big tech companies were offering him two or three times what he believed his real market value was.<p>By definition, if he was offered some amount then his market value is at least that amount. That&#x27;s literally what the term &quot;market&quot; is doing. Maybe he was offered above his value, but not above &quot;market&quot; value, by definition.
adampk大约 7 年前
When chefs get $1m it makes every great cook think they are chefs<p>lexicon ripped from: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;waitbutwhy.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;11&#x2F;the-cook-and-the-chef-musks-secret-sauce.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;waitbutwhy.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;11&#x2F;the-cook-and-the-chef-musks-s...</a>
kisstheblade大约 7 年前
And I have yet to see any &quot;AI&quot; worth anything. Some image recognition and rudimentary translation engines maybe, but &quot;AI&quot;, way overhyped.
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nbanks大约 7 年前
I know someone starting a masters under Yoshua Bengio at UdeM. It&#x27;s been a great school for statistical machine translation for quite a while. I wonder what he&#x27;ll be making in ten years.
gamesbrainiac大约 7 年前
So, a bunch of people with a lot of experience in a particular technology, and who are in top leadership positions are being paid a lot of money.<p>How is this news?
mmartinson大约 7 年前
&quot;Mr. Zaremba said big tech companies were offering him two or three times what he believed his real market value was&quot;<p>Seems this fellow knows a whole lot more about computers than he does markets hahaha
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quickthrower2大约 7 年前
Janitors are making more than $1M...<p>(I can prove it if I find 2 of them running their own business successfully)