TE
科技回声
首页24小时热榜最新最佳问答展示工作
GitHubTwitter
首页

科技回声

基于 Next.js 构建的科技新闻平台,提供全球科技新闻和讨论内容。

GitHubTwitter

首页

首页最新最佳问答展示工作

资源链接

HackerNews API原版 HackerNewsNext.js

© 2025 科技回声. 版权所有。

Self-Control Matters Far More Than Raw Intelligence

150 点作者 discolemonade超过 14 年前

20 条评论

chc超过 14 年前
The article takes as given that people who hack rather than watch Netflix do so because of their superior self-control — does anybody else doubt that?<p>I've had times in my life when I've been really prolific and times when it would take a Herculean effort to get anything worthwhile done. When I'm prolific, it's not because I'm exercising self-control to stop myself from watching Netflix — I'd just rather work on Thing X than watch a movie. When I find myself watching Netflix instead of putting in time on something I've been wanting to do, it's because <i>at that moment</i> the movie is more appealing than the work. It's the same force pushing in different directions.<p>I'm not saying you can get by with no self-control (there are always some less pleasant things you need to do), but I think taking this article at face value might lead people down the wrong path.
评论 #1693365 未加载
评论 #1694011 未加载
j_baker超过 14 年前
There will probably be a lot of people who will disagree with me on this, but here I go anyway: I think self control and discipline are overrated. Some of my best work has come out of me being distracted and unfocused.<p>I generally find that it's better to indulge my lack of focus in a controlled manner than it is to try fighting it.
评论 #1691995 未加载
评论 #1692032 未加载
评论 #1692347 未加载
评论 #1692391 未加载
TamDenholm超过 14 年前
I consider myself to have a hell of a lot of self control, sometimes to a fault. There have been times in my life that I feel less self control would have helped me.<p>For instance, ive been in a few one way fights in my life, I've never hit anyone back. I remember the adrenalin rushing through my body and the fight or flight response gearing up, but my mind overcomes that and I usually end up talking myself out of it or someone else interjects.<p>But because I control the fight or flight I end up getting the shakes after the incident because I didn't fight back nor run away, since shaking is the physiological response to burn off the adrenalin.<p>Personally, I feel I'd have done a lot better in those situations if I'd acted on impulse and actually fought back. Hell even running away could've served me better aswell.
评论 #1691162 未加载
评论 #1691081 未加载
评论 #1691547 未加载
评论 #1691606 未加载
评论 #1692606 未加载
评论 #1692422 未加载
评论 #1692394 未加载
dan00超过 14 年前
"The reason they chose to hack instead of watch movies goes to the heart of what really separates people with self-control from people without it."<p>I hate stuff like this. When people say that their being is the only right thing.
评论 #1691553 未加载
devonrt超过 14 年前
It's really, really hard to take an article seriously when it takes an "impulsive" five year old and has him committing statutory rape as an adult. Kind of an unnecessary example, no?
评论 #1690926 未加载
daniel-cussen超过 14 年前
"One thing I’ve noticed is how rarely you see very ambitious people who are overweight. It’s probably because of metacognition."<p>Caesar also feared thin men, because they could overcome the smaller temptations that small-time power brought with it, focussing instead on going big-time.
评论 #1692415 未加载
Tichy超过 14 年前
Somehow I tend to lean towards a softer interpretation towards people: so I would assume there might be other factors at play, for example with the guy who watches Netflix instead of writing his apps. Perhaps he subconsciously doesn't believe in his success? In general, I think the only way to cure an addiction is to replace it with something better. That is why often alcoholics and drug addicts seem to recover by becoming ultra religious ("better" being subjective, but it fills the void). Instead of looking down on people without self-control, why not try to help them find something better or motivate them?<p>Of course with a lot of self-control maybe the app guy would just sit down and write the apps. But can self-control then not also backfire? At other times HN is flooded with articles about failing early enough or being prepared to change course. Self control would prevent that and therefore make you less adaptive (at least one possibility).<p>As for the kids with Marshmallows experiment, yeah, I've heard about it, the guy also wrote a bestseller called "Emotional Intelligence" (notice he is good at marketing). But how many kids did he test? Has it been repeated? And maybe it was other factors - perhaps the kids not taking the Marshmallows were more intelligent and had already learned that Marshmallows are bad for you. Perhaps kids from families with higher socioeconomic status feed less candy to their kids, so the kids craving for candy less were already from better backgrounds. (Not saying that is the explanation, just saying there could be lots of factors at play besides self-control. Personally, I never liked Marshmallows, not even as a kid...).
评论 #1692229 未加载
评论 #1692867 未加载
NumberFiveAlive超过 14 年前
'I’m a driven person and I surround myself with other driven people. Generally, when I land on an exciting new idea, I can’t wait to jump on it'.<p>I read this as 'Self-control is great because I have great self-control.' I'm a big believer in the thesis of this article (to an extent, anyway: I'll take someone with high intelligence and low self-control over an extreme example of someone with low intelligence but high self-control), but he completely turned me off in the third paragraph. And then again when he likened a fifth grader wanting a treat <i>right now</i> with an adult committing statutory rape.
评论 #1691644 未加载
deno超过 14 年前
Is there something actually based on fact and data that anyone can recommend about the subject of self-control (and it's impact on being successful)?
评论 #1691432 未加载
评论 #1692700 未加载
rysmit超过 14 年前
Metaconginiton or as the author calls it, "thinking about thinking" sounds like intelligence to me.<p>Self-control is mentally controlling yourself. It takes an active, thinking, controlled mind to put off what is self-indulgence now for one's own greater good. This may be subjective but I find that most intelligent people are self-controlled by definition.
评论 #1691555 未加载
tyng超过 14 年前
The article is a bit too one-sided while not taking in other factors that play in life.<p>Still, I agree that Self-Control is absolutely important when it comes down to pursuing your dreams. The benefit (or destruction if you don't self-control) comes at a average-over-time basis
dnautics超过 14 年前
"I know a guy who constantly talks about wanting to start his own business. He’d like to build it around his very own iPhone app. He’s a talented Flash designer who resolved several years ago to teach himself how to develop apps. About 6 months ago, he bought himself a book on how to do that. He hasn’t cracked it open yet. Instead, he spends his weeknights watching Netflix."<p>Yeah but the guy who does build the empire around a flash app has to have the impulsiveness to actually do that, too. It's equally possible to be gridlocked by fear of failure masquerading as "impulse control".
kennedywm超过 14 年前
For some people, doing something productive isn't an act of self-control--it's just what you prefer doing. I can't sit and enjoy a movie when I'm excited about a project I'm working on; I'll just sit there thinking about how much I want to get back to work.
wccrawford超过 14 年前
I think the article makes a lot of conclusions that aren't based on facts, just assumptions.
sandykory超过 14 年前
The article makes a false distinction--'raw intelligence' is not necessary different that 'self-control.' Like emotional intelligence, 'self-control' is a necessary but not sufficient part of any useful meaning of 'intelligence.'
hungh3超过 14 年前
No amount of efforts or will can ever be more enduring then our love of the work. Then, even if we are willing to use the wills, instead of love, to control our behaviour, life is miserable.
deadbeat超过 14 年前
Self-control is pretty strongly correlated with high intelligence.
评论 #1693390 未加载
jlgbecom超过 14 年前
I would add that genius is more defined by an extreme tenacity than intelligence.
c00p3r超过 14 年前
Yet another guy just discovered a Marshmallow study? ^_^ <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferred_gratification" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deferred_gratification</a>
parbo超过 14 年前
What's the deal with all the porn references? Seems like the author has some issues.
评论 #1693403 未加载