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Gruber on the Macbook Pro Keyboard

81 点作者 nikon大约 7 年前

20 条评论

welly大约 7 年前
I&#x27;m struggling a bit on what my next laptop will be. Apple owner since I don&#x27;t know when, currently on a late 2013 MBP. It&#x27;s still going but I suspect it doesn&#x27;t have a vast amount of life left. Every few months I lose another pixel.<p>I certainly wouldn&#x27;t upgrade to the current range so they&#x27;re going to have to do something special in the next 12-18 months or I&#x27;ll be taking an Ubuntu desktop crash course and getting a Lenovo or similar.
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linguae大约 7 年前
I&#x27;m wondering if anyone else here thinks that the time is ripe for a competitor to Mac OS X given Apple&#x27;s missteps regarding the Mac as of late? I&#x27;m in the market for a new laptop to replace my dead 2013 MacBook Air, and I&#x27;m not pleased with any of Apple&#x27;s laptop offerings at this time. I&#x27;ve been thinking about buying a ThinkPad 480 or HP EliteBook 830 G5, but this will mean transitioning to Windows 10 or Linux, which are still a step or two down from Mac OS X for me.<p>I wish there were an workstation-focused operating system out there that had the polish of Mac OS X but can run on a wide range of PCs. Since the demise of BeOS there hasn&#x27;t been any new commercial operating systems for personal computers; it&#x27;s just Windows, Mac OS X, or commercial Linux distributions. Personally it should be inspired by some of the best ideas of computing, ideas that were ahead of their time back when they first appeared but may be successful today if reimplemented and reintroduced the right way. I&#x27;m talking about some of the ideas of Smalltalk that didn&#x27;t make its way into contemporary GUIs. I&#x27;m talking about Lisp machines such as the ones Symbolics made that ran the Genera environment. Take the ideas of such systems, then add something like Apple&#x27;s OpenDoc to encourage the construction of small, composable GUI tools that developers could write, and then use tried-and-true UI guidelines like those from the Mac OS 8 era, and we would have an operating system that is extensible, has a consistent user interface conforming to tried-and-true guidelines, and supports programmable GUI workflows while also supporting the command line via some sort of REPL.
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wintorez大约 7 年前
I hate to be that guy, but in my opinion, Apple has completely changed direction from the business of building general computers, to the business of building mobile devices. Also, it&#x27;s a shame that they are sacrificing usability and durability to build the thinnest and lightest eye candy for coffeeshop crowd.
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notadoc大约 7 年前
You know the MacBook Pro situation is bad when even the biggest cheerleaders of all-things-Apple say it&#x27;s bad.<p>The now three year old 2015 model remains the best Mac laptop available, it&#x27;s an upgrade in every way; a wonderful working keyboard, a hardware escape key, hardware function keys, no annoying Touch Bar, ports, MagSafe, no dongles needed, did I mention ports?<p>I genuinely hope Apple scraps the current models entirely and starts anew with the MacBook Pro, with the professional user actually in mind. They already have two consumer focused laptops, why did they screw up the pro?
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lynndylanhurley大约 7 年前
I had to use my old 2012 MBP the other day after using the 2016 MBP since it was released, and the 2012 keyboard was a stunning improvement over the 2016.<p>Which is strange because I never thought the 2012 keyboard was exceptional.<p>Do any of you prefer the new keyboard?
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sathomasga大约 7 年前
Folks may make fun of me, but I&#x27;m still pleased as can be with my 2016 MacBook Air. Maxed out on CPU, memory, and disk, it&#x27;s plenty powerful for front-end development, and since I&#x27;m almost always connected to an external monitor, the lack of a Retina display is of little consequence.
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solomatov大约 7 年前
The same stuff happened to me. I had stupidity to try to clean it myself and all this resulted in pricey repair and having to cope with a temporary laptop for a week.<p>My next laptop probably will be Dell.<p>P.S. For now, I use MacBook Pro 2015 but it getting more and more out of date. Especially after release of hex-core processors.
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tankerdude大约 7 年前
It&#x27;s miserable, the new keyboard. 30+ years of having the escape key in the upper left hand corner for me, and for them to switch it over to an _offset_ touch escape key has driven me a little insane.
svdr大约 7 年前
I have both a MBP and a Macbook, and the Macbook (2016) is even worse. Keys get stuck all the time, I get them lose using compressed air. Apple even has a page on it: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;support.apple.com&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;HT205662" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;support.apple.com&#x2F;en-us&#x2F;HT205662</a><p>PS: I like the feeling of the MBP keyboard.
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Dunedan大约 7 年前
Keys stopping to work is one thing, but for me the Touch Bar and the screwed arrow keys are similarly disappointing. Apple should&#x27;ve seen this coming. What were they thinking?
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faramarz大约 7 年前
I have a MacBook Pro (Retina, 15-inch, Late 2013) and the &#x27;E&#x27; key has stopped functioning altogether.<p>I&#x27;ve been quoted between 15-250 to replace the keyboard. I haven&#x27;t been able to leave the notebook at a shop yet but my workaround is to use it stationed connected to a Bluetooth keyboard.<p>I wonder if this issue is common with my model as well (not the butterfly mechanics i beleive)
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tvmalsv大约 7 年前
I still keep holding out for the MBP that probably won&#x27;t appear (with lots of ports and a magsafe charging connection, and while I&#x27;ve never tried the newest keyboard, I love my current one). My current MBP is a mid-2010 (2009? maybe? can&#x27;t remember), and it still runs great, especially after replacing the HDD with an SSD several years ago.<p>However, El Capitan is the last OSX that will install on it, and this year even the Turbotax software gave me a warning that their software for next year will not run on my system and I&#x27;ll have to either get a newer one or use their web product.
twodave大约 7 年前
I got a new, maxed MBP about 4 months ago. I hate the keyboard, and typically hook it up to my DAS Keyboard 4 Professional at work, but when I work from elsewhere I am constantly resting my fingertips on escape and “hey Siri” touch bar buttons, or the point that I’ve developed muscle memory to close Siri whenever I open it by mistake. Worst keyboard layout I’ve ever experienced. Not to mention there’s hardly any feedback in the switches (especially compared to my cherry Browns).
hexsprite大约 7 年前
It happened to me. They had to replace the whole top case under warranty because a crumb got into the keyboard. And since I got it back I have been pretty careful but still it seems like one of the keys is starting to go. Thank goodness for AppleCare. Hope Apple fixes this in the next release.
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maurits大约 7 年前
I absolutely loved my 2011 Air which always was a great combination for me with a linux server for all the heavy lifting.<p>This week I will somewhat begrudgingly swap out the Air for a 2015 15 inch MBP, hoping it will last me long.
haubey大约 7 年前
One of my shift keys doesn&#x27;t work reliably. I&#x27;m just waiting for the day when the other key and the caps lock also go dark and I won&#x27;t be able to log in to my computer.
georgehaake大约 7 年前
Curious to hear from anyone who has used these directly, not clamshelled for several months or more and have been keyboard issue free.
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snissn大约 7 年前
My keys were getting stuck, but spraying a can of compressed air underneath the keys opened them up again
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yarrel大约 7 年前
Wow it must be bad.
sp332大约 7 年前
Please link to the original article. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;theoutline.com&#x2F;post&#x2F;4277&#x2F;dont-buy-the-new-macbook-pros-even-on-sale-in-my-opinion" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;theoutline.com&#x2F;post&#x2F;4277&#x2F;dont-buy-the-new-macbook-pr...</a> Linking to Gruber instead caused a bunch of confusion last time. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=15499536" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=15499536</a>
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