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The Shirky Principle (2010)

120 点作者 gits1225大约 7 年前

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DanielBMarkham大约 7 年前
I&#x27;ve worked in a lot of different organizations and have seen this happen over and over again.<p>One point the author misses is that it becomes received knowledge that certain parts of the problem are insolvable. After a dozen or two meetings trying to solve something, the participants believe (and tell one another) that this part of the problem can&#x27;t be solved.<p>There&#x27;s a certain pivot point that happens when you join an organization. At first, you&#x27;re asking &quot;Why can&#x27;t we do X?&quot; and &quot;If we do Y, won&#x27;t that fix this part of the problem?&quot;<p>Each time, you are told that yes, we tried that. Several times. Really smart people tried. It didn&#x27;t work.<p>Now the trick here is that you don&#x27;t know if that&#x27;s true or not. You don&#x27;t know how many times it was tried, who tried it, what strategy they used, or exactly how things played out. It&#x27;s all just secondhand information.<p>Do that enough? Pretty soon you&#x27;re the person telling the new guy that we&#x27;ve already been down this road. It just can&#x27;t be done. You stop being part of the solution and start being part of the problem. (And then some new organization comes along and solves the problem quite nicely. Cue up a lot of &quot;Well, we could do it to if we only had Z like they did!&quot; sour grapes talk.)<p>For an outsider trying to help people, when you hear yourself doing this, it&#x27;s time to go. You are no longer a positive agent of change.
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montrose大约 7 年前
One of the scariest examples of this phenomenon is the lobbying that police and prison guard unions do:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;theintercept.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;05&#x2F;18&#x2F;ca-marijuana-measure&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;theintercept.com&#x2F;2016&#x2F;05&#x2F;18&#x2F;ca-marijuana-measure&#x2F;</a><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;1995&#x2F;11&#x2F;07&#x2F;us&#x2F;political-gains-by-prison-guards.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;1995&#x2F;11&#x2F;07&#x2F;us&#x2F;political-gains-by-pri...</a>
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wycx大约 7 年前
The post linked in the post is a better read:<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.shirky.com&#x2F;weblog&#x2F;2010&#x2F;04&#x2F;the-collapse-of-complex-business-models&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.shirky.com&#x2F;weblog&#x2F;2010&#x2F;04&#x2F;the-collapse-of-complex...</a>
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maxxxxx大约 7 年前
Let&#x27;s just keep in mind that while we observe this in others we probably play the same game ourselves.<p>Lately I have developed doubts that a system I was part in building up over the last few years and is generally well regarded is still necessary. It&#x27;s pretty hard to admit this in public if a potential consequence may be to lose your job. I think people would be less prone to preserving problems if they wouldn&#x27;t potentially lose their job and livelihood.
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maltalex大约 7 年前
I like to think of organizations as large living things. Just like people are made out of numerous living cells, organizations are living things made out of numerous living people.<p>As such, they behave similarly to other living things is some ways. And all living things want to keep living.
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duncanmeech大约 7 年前
e.g. Tax preparation companies lobbying to prevent the tax authorities from supplying candidate computer generated tax returns for tax payers.
laretluval大约 7 年前
Could this apply to social movements too?
coldtea大约 7 年前
Another aspect of this is that an organization will create busy work for itself when none is needed.<p>E.g. the IT or HR department brain farting new things that solve no problem and nobody asked for just because they can&#x27;t just sit idle.
interfixus大约 7 年前
More or less a corollary of Pournelle&#x27;s Iron Law of Bureaucracy.
upofadown大约 7 年前
&gt;So now the problem with unions is that they are locked into the old framework, the old system.<p>Wait, there is a new system? This needs some context.
xycodex大约 7 年前
H&amp;R Block is the egregious example, with their lobbying against making tax returns simpler for taxpayers, their customers.
ponderatul大约 7 年前
Hello pharma industry
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tempodox大约 7 年前
It&#x27;s basic systems theory. If you want to get really disillusioned, read one of Niklas Luhmann&#x27;s many books on the matter.
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YeGoblynQueenne大约 7 年前
&gt;&gt; Unions, or example.<p>Unions were defanged, waylaid and driven into the ground by neoliberal policies in the US and the UK, in particular. They lost most of their power and were rendered incapable of supporting workers&#x27; rights, which was their reason to exist. That is the problem with unions, not that they perpetuate the problems they solve. For that, we have free-market capitalism.
ponderatul大约 7 年前
Pair this with Taleb&#x27;s views on globalism, and how it enables this kind of interconnected environment, that doesn&#x27;t leave much room for error. And if an error happens, it&#x27;s going to be systemic.