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Former top official says Fed should ‘Maybe’ create ‘FedCoin’ to rival Bitcoin

99 点作者 djacobs大约 7 年前

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geofft大约 7 年前
What is a &quot;blockchain&quot;?<p>To me, a blockchain is a way of solving double-spend problems in a Merkle tree maintained by open distributed consensus, by using some scheme to resist Sybil attacks. The scheme is not necessarily proof-of-work, but the fact that there&#x27;s a double-spend problem and you&#x27;re solving it is key to the idea.<p>If you don&#x27;t have a double-spend problem because all your transactions commute (e.g., Certificate Transparency), you don&#x27;t have a blockchain, just a Merkle tree. Which is great, you don&#x27;t have to incur the costs of mining at all, nor do you need to think about mining incentives and structures.<p>If you&#x27;re not using distributed consensus because you have a central coordinator, you don&#x27;t have a blockchain either, and again, you get to not think about mining. Whichever transaction reaches the coordinator first wins, so double-apend becomes irrelevant.<p>If the Fed wants to build FedCoin, I don&#x27;t see any reason why they should refuse to be the central coordinaor and instead outsource consensus to the internet. I don&#x27;t see any reason why they <i>would</i>, if they want to influence monetary policy at all—70% of Bitcoin mining last year was in China, which meant that it would have been straightforward for China to (globally!) freeze a Bitcoin address, and a little more complicated but still possible to prioritize or throttle certain transactions.<p>Maybe being protocol-compatible with Bitcoin or ERC20 or something would help, but fundamentally this would be an API to transfer USD, not a decentralized system.<p>See also patio11&#x27;s Tweet <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;patio11&#x2F;status&#x2F;583698553614143488" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;patio11&#x2F;status&#x2F;583698553614143488</a> &quot;Most advantages of Bitcoin which matter are captured by, and improved upon by, a LAMP app which simply holds account balances.&quot; If the Fed wants to build that app, great!
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SI_Rob大约 7 年前
The basic premise of this headline represents a complete failure to grasp the point of a cryptocurrency, which is to take the power of money issuance <i>away</i> from incumbent authorities who can back it with physical force (that is, states), and devolve it into a first order power available to any social group. The paradoxical claim that a centralized bank could ever issue currency based on the presumption of decentralized support is epitome of misapprehension, or at least misappropriation of jargon.<p>The Fed already has &quot;FedCoin&quot; for all intents and purposes, and does not need the cooperative casino incentive system known as a blockchain in order to compel rules-compliant participation from its users.
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thisisit大约 7 年前
Another clickbait piece. Reading through the byline:<p><i>If cryptocurrency and blockchain technology really are the future of money, the world’s central banks need to get involved, a former Fed governor argues.</i><p>Isn&#x27;t that a big &quot;if&quot;? And in that case, the real headline should be - &quot;If Cyrptocurrency is the future Feds should build a Fedcoin says a former Fed Governor&quot;.<p>And I think people who talk about how banks&#x2F;Visa might be affected by cyrpotcurrency should take some time to read this:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forbes.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;francescoppola&#x2F;2018&#x2F;04&#x2F;21&#x2F;bitcoin-banks-and-a-whole-lot-of-fud&#x2F;#1548eecb21f1" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.forbes.com&#x2F;sites&#x2F;francescoppola&#x2F;2018&#x2F;04&#x2F;21&#x2F;bitco...</a><p>HN link:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=17000721" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=17000721</a>
Bluestrike2大约 7 年前
There&#x27;s an interesting paper[0] from the Bank of England that considers the challenges and opportunities central bank issued cryptocurrencies might entail.<p>0. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bankofengland.co.uk&#x2F;working-paper&#x2F;2016&#x2F;the-macroeconomics-of-central-bank-issued-digital-currencies" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bankofengland.co.uk&#x2F;working-paper&#x2F;2016&#x2F;the-macro...</a>
mikro2nd大约 7 年前
Not sure why NYT is taking some &quot;former governor&#x27;s&quot; opinion on this. Let&#x27;s take a look at what the Fed itself (themselves?) think. Quite recently (2018-04-16): &quot;The Case for Central Bank Electronic Money and the Non-case for Central Bank Cryptocurrencies&quot; at <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;research.stlouisfed.org&#x2F;publications&#x2F;review&#x2F;2018&#x2F;02&#x2F;13&#x2F;the-case-for-central-bank-electronic-money-and-the-non-case-for-central-bank-cryptocurrencies" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;research.stlouisfed.org&#x2F;publications&#x2F;review&#x2F;2018&#x2F;02&#x2F;...</a><p>In a nutshell, the St. Louis Fed thinks there&#x27;s no good case for central banks to get involved in creating cryptocurrencies (though there is a case for fiat electronic money). ISTR that the Swiss National Bank expressed pretty-much the same opinion, too, not more than a few weeks ago.
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alex_young大约 7 年前
How about fedDigitalCash? It&#x27;s crazy that I pay a few percent of every transaction to visa for no reason every time I buy anything in 2018
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DoctorOetker大约 7 年前
&quot;It would be quite a twist if a technology whose most ardent fans are motivated by distrust of central banks became a key tool for those banks.&quot;<p>It&#x27;s the other way around: the fact that <i>publicly provable and verifiable</i> financial systems are possible, yet the central banks didn&#x27;t work this out (what they should have been striving for from the start), nor improve on it for another decade now is what fuels distrust of the old <i>blindly trusted</i> financial systems.
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nabla9大约 7 年前
The money part of the technology is not important for central banks. Underlying technology allows more useful solutions than cryptocurrency.<p>What Fed and others in banking want is new forms of distributed accounting and settlement processes. You can apply the cryptographic technology for verifying and connecting database rows across institutions in a way that is both transparent, private and secure. If there is a public ledger online, it can be audited by anyone.
jrq大约 7 年前
Isn&#x27;t that what a line of credit is? Or a debit card? It&#x27;s got a history of spending, it&#x27;s very hard to double spend, and its completely traceable?<p>Sometimes I think fed has learned from Bitcoin that they don&#x27;t trust us with Bitcoin, and they shouldn&#x27;t trust us with cash either. I don&#x27;t feel like they really give a shit about what a distributed ledger actually accomplishes and how it protects users.<p>Additionally, mining. Mining is a huge problem in my eyes because it wastes a ridiculous amount of energy to not produce anything. I&#x27;d love to just buy-in with my credit card or with cash, and have those coins generated (until supply is depleted) to meet the value at that time. If fedcoin worked like that, that&#x27;d be neat. Otherwise, it&#x27;s just an energy sink, and I think we should start being more conscious at where all this energy is going.<p>Side question, HNers who use Bitcoin, why are you using bitcoin? Why aren&#x27;t you using monero? If it&#x27;s just convention, then switch! That&#x27;s how conventions change!
zitterbewegung大约 7 年前
It could create FedCoin. But, instead it will allow the investment banks to make it for them and then sign off on whatever they makeup because they can not only make it legal but make it easy to use.<p>Then the government would just let those coins that pass through this with open arms. Regulation now is the biggest part of an ICO and if you are an investment bank and want a big piece of the distributed ledger pie you probably are already figuring out how to do this.<p>I was at a meeting with laywers who wanted to understand what an ICO is. KYC and AML laws are now the big problems on implementing an ICO. 2017 was the start of the ICO boom and 2018 will be the start of the enforcement. Expect a bunch of coins to disappear.
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travmatt大约 7 年前
HN previously discussed a Bank of International Settlement Report on Central Bank Cryptocutrencies - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=15278063" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=15278063</a>
garmaine大约 7 年前
&gt; But what if central banks themselves entered the game? What would happen if the Federal Reserve, or the European Central Bank or the Bank of Japan used blockchain technology to create their own virtual currencies? Besides, that is, having some cryptocurrency fans’ heads explode?<p>Maybe some of the wacko nut-jobs out there in cryptocurrency fandom. But most would welcome this with open arms. It would mean that you could create smart contracts denominated in fiat, or trustless exchanges, or trustless covered shorts on the price of bitcoin, etc. What&#x27;s the downside?
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lettergram大约 7 年前
Pretty sure the USD is enough.
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smittywerben大约 7 年前
&quot;we don&#x27;t see any immediate systemic risk issues&quot; - Warsh, 11 July 2007<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gpo.gov&#x2F;fdsys&#x2F;pkg&#x2F;CHRG-110hhrg38388&#x2F;html&#x2F;CHRG-110hhrg38388.htm" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gpo.gov&#x2F;fdsys&#x2F;pkg&#x2F;CHRG-110hhrg38388&#x2F;html&#x2F;CHRG-11...</a>
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azernik大约 7 年前
Looks quite close to the way the Basis people (<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.basis.io&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.basis.io&#x2F;</a>) talk about a central-bank-run version of their currency, where the bank can target a level of inflation and let the system do the rest.
contingencies大约 7 年前
China already has WeChat money. It&#x27;s literally everywhere. To the point where, you often spend days without touching money. People now sigh and groan and ask for the manager to get the key to open the till if you insist on paying with cash.
retox大约 7 年前
They want to do away with unaccountable physical cash. Another method of tracking and control. They will keep their gold of course.
toufique大约 7 年前
Answer: No thanks.
0x445442大约 7 年前
If I can&#x27;t buy, let&#x27;s say... heroine completely anonymously with FedCoin then I think the whole spirit of the initial vision has been violated. Call me crazy but I don&#x27;t think this is what&#x27;s envisioned by those that would advocate for something like FedCoin.
gesman大约 7 年前
It’s not “should”.<p>More like “when”
anonymous5133大约 7 年前
They should create it just to show that it will be a failure.