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You can now run Linux apps on Chrome OS

585 点作者 willsinclair大约 7 年前

41 条评论

paultopia大约 7 年前
I think this is great. I bought a chromebook flip a couple of years ago, with the intention of putting Linux on it---only to find that the hardware is depressingly bad and the ARM processor makes the Linux experience terrible (had to install Arch, never did manage to make basic things like the JVM work right, eventually gave up on it). Since then, I&#x27;ve been very skeptical of the notion of buying chromebooks as cheap and lightweight mobile working tools.<p>But I will buy a pixelbook in an instant if I can get a fully functional, no bullshit with having to install custom kernels or new firmware or god only knows what and what will happen to the hardware and what just won&#x27;t work despite The Internet insisting it does, insisting! Oh Lordy. A Linux environment available on decent hardware, without having to MacGyver it together with bubble gum and safety pins? Where things like power management actually work? What other options are there, really, for that? Purism? Dell XPS13! All of those are actually <i>more</i> expensive than the Pixelbook. (Though the Dell thing does look pretty sweet.) Hell, I may go order one now.
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tinix大约 7 年前
Tech journalists, especially, almost always fail to do even a tiny bit of research or due diligence. I mean... Crostini is not &quot;new&quot;, it&#x27;s been on dev channel for months[1]! But this article ending... hilarious icing on the cake.<p>&gt; &quot;Now, it’s probably only a matter of hours before somebody starts running Windows apps in Chrome OS with the help of the Wine emulator.&quot;<p>Someone should also tell them about running Crossover on Chrome OS via Android[2], which has already been possible for months!<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;chromium-review.googlesource.com&#x2F;c&#x2F;chromium&#x2F;src&#x2F;+&#x2F;879173" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;chromium-review.googlesource.com&#x2F;c&#x2F;chromium&#x2F;src&#x2F;+&#x2F;87...</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;play.google.com&#x2F;store&#x2F;apps&#x2F;details?id=com.codeweavers.cxoffice" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;play.google.com&#x2F;store&#x2F;apps&#x2F;details?id=com.codeweaver...</a>
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owaislone大约 7 年前
Ever since I bought a Samsung Chromebook Plus for a friend and had a week to play with it, I&#x27;ve wanted Google to do this. This is probably my favourite announcement from I&#x2F;O this year. I love how simple and well designed Chrome OS is. Now I can get proper access to all the tools I&#x27;m used to on Linux while not having to deal with terrible UX when it comes to things like notifications, daily schedule, calendar and mail. This to me looks like the perfect balance between running Linux and macOS.<p>I&#x27;m running Kubuntu on a 1 year old XPS 13 and most things work quite well. I do however miss a nice mail clients, reliable notifications about meetings, daily schedule, etc. I&#x27;ve tried almost everything available on Linux and while some things do work, they either are not reliable enough (with cloud APIs, etc) or are too ugly and clunky to use.<p>I&#x27;ll wait for the next Pixelbook before jumping ship. Hopefully, Linux apps support would have matured enough by then.
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tambourine_man大约 7 年前
You hear that Adobe? You now have a lot of potential costumers to sell your Creative Cloud package to. I bet those Chromebooks are selling like hot cakes and many schools would love to offer training for your tools. As a side benefit, you&#x27;d get a lot of neglected Pro Apple costumers (well, one at least), which would love to use some blessed by Adobe Linux distro.<p>Also…<p>&gt;…meaning that even less powerful machines should be able to handle a code editor without issues.<p>Being able to run a code editor is a statement of a machine&#x27;s power and system optimization? Welcome to the wonderful world of Electron apps.<p>&gt;…Wine emulator<p>Wine is not an emulator, for crying out loud.
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indescions_2018大约 7 年前
More details in XDA Developers interview with Kan Liu. Also suggesting GPU acceleration support later this year<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.xda-developers.com&#x2F;chrome-os-linux-app-support-google-pixelbook&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.xda-developers.com&#x2F;chrome-os-linux-app-support-g...</a><p>My prediction: VS Code &#x2F; Pixelbook becomes a formidable devenv for many in the coming months ;)<p>You can always try Neverware on a live usb to get a taste<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.neverware.com&#x2F;freedownload" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.neverware.com&#x2F;freedownload</a>
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nickjj大约 7 年前
If anyone wants to run Linux apps on their Chromebook right now, you can just install GalliumOS.<p>I think it&#x27;s better than the VM solution that&#x27;s mentioned in the article because GalliumOS gets installed natively, so there&#x27;s no VM. You can choose to dual boot it with ChromeOS.<p>It runs really well, and it&#x27;s hyper optimized for Chromebooks. It&#x27;s just a fork of xubuntu.<p>I&#x27;ve been running it on my Chromebook for 2 years and I use it as a portable development machine. It&#x27;s nice having a $350 laptop with a 1080p IPS screen, SD ports, enough computing power to run Dockerized web apps and weighs under 3 pounds.<p>Details on how I set it all up can be found at <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nickjanetakis.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;transform-a-toshiba-chromebook-cb35-into-a-linux-development-environment-with-galliumos" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nickjanetakis.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;transform-a-toshiba-chromeboo...</a>.
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totallysnowman大约 7 年前
Neat! So now you can run JavaScript &quot;IDE&quot; inside a browser inside a Linux VM inside a browser on Linux!
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timvisee大约 7 年前
I wonder why they are using a VM running Debian for Linux applications, as Chrome OS is already Linux (Gentoo) based itself.
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chrisfarms大约 7 年前
I&#x27;m really happy Google are giving a go at making ChromeOS into something more than browser on steroids. I really believe this is a path to a decent Linux Desktop future.<p>I&#x27;m def considering getting a pixelbook for my main machine this year now.
williamstein大约 7 年前
Will this make it possible to run Docker in a Chromebook? With Crouton, which is just a chroot, you can&#x27;t run Docker at all (without changing the ChromeOS kernel), and can only run rkt containers. If this new Linux apps support really runs in a Debian KVM virtual machine, then <i>maybe</i> it will be possible to run Docker in that, which would be a massive advantage over what crouton provides. Anybody know?
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JepZ大约 7 年前
I wish they would also offer some runtime environment to run Android apps on a normal Linux (e.g. Debian&#x2F;Arch). And no, I am not talking about some weird, full size VM with a few Gigs of ram overhead. But since the business case seems to be missing, I will probably have to wait forever ;-)
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chrononaut大约 7 年前
Pixelbook development will continue to be an interesting affair as Chrome OS becomes a more functional environment for developers.<p>Curious if the next version of Pixelbook will contain a 3G&#x2F;LTE interface with support for Project Fi.
bikamonki大约 7 年前
Or you can wipe it off, fully install Gallium OS before you finish a warm coffee and be super happy with your brand new super cheap fanless ssd linux laptop. Later, if you miss ChromeOS just click run a browser :)
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darren0大约 7 年前
I&#x27;ve been playing with crosvm and containers (lxd) in ChromeOS for awhile and I&#x27;ve been very impressed at the technical expertise that has been required to bring this to ChromeOS. Now that the terminal app is released I can say (I have a pixelbook and am currently using it), the user experience is really quite slick. This is a very promising platform.
fareesh大约 7 年前
Are there any good reasons why a developer would buy a Chromebook over some other laptop, unless they are developing <i>for</i> the Chromebook itself?
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johnvega大约 7 年前
This is great. I&#x27;ve been exploring Chromebook for the first time, but immediately got it in dev mode, then installed ubuntu gnome using crouton (chroot). Then installed golang and vscode, chrome and firefox browsers, and some tweaking for keyboard. It&#x27;s been okay for several weeks. I can switch back to ChromeOS and have TeamViewer and Windows Remote Desktop to access more powerful computers at home or VMs from the cloud. Long battery life, fanless, (Acer 14 full hd) good stuff, great experience overall, but it looks like it will get better.
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segmondy大约 7 年前
But would these cost $200 like the original chromebooks? The entire sell of Chromebooks to me was that they were really cheap. The newer models tend to cost as much as a macbook.
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hs86大约 7 年前
How does Chrome OS and its display server compare security-wise to a regular GNU&#x2F;Linux distribution?<p>Is each desktop application going to live in its own sandbox?
newnewpdro大约 7 年前
I assume the reason this is being abstracted behind a VM where the app must bring not just a userspace but its own kernel is because Chrome OS is about to become Fuchsia, and the only vestige of Linux on the future Chrome OS devices will be in a VM for niche applications.<p>Hooray.<p>This isn&#x27;t more Linux, this is a compatibility step towards <i>less</i> Linux being spun as something else.
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emiliosic大约 7 年前
While on the surface this is great, I also find it concerning in the way this is going. First, you can only access this feature (for now) on a Pixelbook. This is not Android where patches are delivered first on Google&#x27;s own hardware, or is it? Then Chrome OS runs no 3rd party apps, but it runs Chrome &#x27;Native&#x27; code, which is being phased out, where Chrome acted as a VM. I think Google wanted this to happen very much but opened all sort of backdoors into managed deployments of Windows and macOS. Then ChromeOS started supporting Android apps, although the experience is very much like running an emulator. Now it can run Linux on a VM. Fair enough, but it can run Linux only if it&#x27;s Ubuntu. Ubuntu is fine but it&#x27;s not the only choice for Linux, and with good reason.
shmerl大约 7 年前
<i>&gt; To enable support for graphical apps, the team opted to integrate the Wayland display server</i><p>So why VM if they provide a Wayland compositor? For security they can use apparmor or other sandboxing methods without resorting to full virtualization.
hutzlibu大约 7 年前
I only dived in crouton etc. for a short view, but I think the main reason why I did not continue (besides that it was messy) was the lack of GPU rendering (I believe there was none, at least for my ARM Modell)<p>Is this going to be different with this approach?
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kartickv大约 7 年前
I&#x27;m happy that Chromebooks are finally powerful enough to meet my needs, but I&#x27;m concerned about running three different types of apps — web, Android and Linux. Each of these are built for different platforms, with different expectations, different UX standards, and different capabilities. Won&#x27;t throwing them together on the same device be a mess?
eric24234大约 7 年前
I run nodejs server, postgresql db server(configured to use low memory), installed android studio, developing an react native android app on emacs with i3 window manger on a crouton based chrooted debian os. I am really surprised i can do all these without much delay. Chromebook is really working well for me. The only problem is the samsung chromebook i use has only 8 gb of ssd and after all these i have about 2 gb left. I hope google takes the low ssd memory chromebooks in to account.
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sologoub大约 7 年前
Got super excited about this - I mean what’s not to like?!<p>Then, decided to check my other big usecase for when on the road - Netflix and other entertainment... total flop:<p>Resolution:<p>- Up to 1080p on Google Chrome<p>- Up to 480p on the Netflix app from the Google Play Store <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;help.netflix.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;node&#x2F;296" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;help.netflix.com&#x2F;en&#x2F;node&#x2F;296</a><p>So if you want to save a movie for the flight, 480p is all you get...<p>Really wish we could get this functionality on iOS. iPad Pro is definitely big enough to code on. All it’s really missing is being able to run commandline tools.
Abishek_Muthian大约 7 年前
At-last, Android Studio&#x27;s memory consumption might be improved upon for Chromebook sake at-least ! Compiling a decent sized project on a 4GB RAM chromebook is going to take ages.
fergie大约 7 年前
Does this mean that you can just open a bash shell and start doing bash stuff? If so that is fantastic, and is maybe enough to get me back onto a Chromebook.
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SomeHacker44大约 7 年前
...the Wine [Wine is not an emulator] emulator... :)
rbanffy大约 7 年前
How am I supposed to live without a Super key?<p>No. Seriously, how is the keyboard mapping? Can the function keys emit F1-F12 or just their special functions? How is people running Linux on them working?<p>When I was in doubt about getting one, I got an Acer &quot;Cloudbook&quot; that came with Windows 8 and just installed Linux on the eMMS space just because it came with a full keyboard.
deft大约 7 年前
This is cool! I won&#x27;t be stuck with hterm and the bugs that have always been present in it any more :)
jacksmith21006大约 7 年前
Just heard the Google IO attendees are getting 75% off of a Pixel Book. Incredible deal and picked wrong year to skip IO.
codedokode大约 7 年前
Virtual Machine will probably mean poor performance for GUI apps, especially HTML-based apps. Why don&#x27;t they just use containers?
gyrgtyn大约 7 年前
can we access network &#x2F; tun&#x2F;tap stuff?
z3t4大约 7 年前
I guess &quot;web apps&quot; are not as successful as Google hoped. There <i>are</i> some great web apps, but they are electron apps ... Maybe bake in &quot;elevated&quot; mode in Chrome so it basically becomes Electron, but with some kernel hooks to limit an apps abilities and let users pick what the app is able to access, network, hdd, etc.
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sitepodmatt大约 7 年前
Will gnome-terminal work? What about a clipboard manager? A screenshot tool? OpenVPN?
kristianp大约 7 年前
Cool, now how about making the Pixelbook available in Australia?
GogoAkira大约 7 年前
I can&#x27;t run some linux apps on some linukss
dajohnson89大约 7 年前
I got excited until I remembered that I have a bricked chromebook under my bed. It just stopped working one day, and before that froze often enough to be annoying.
ryanpcmcquen大约 7 年前
This is a great and unexpected move by Google.
trumped大约 7 年前
Isn&#x27;t Chrome OS based on Linux? so in other words, Google just removed restrictions that they added? I wonder what they added for this to be possible for their advertising company.
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jphalimi大约 7 年前
&quot;Google’s PM director for Chrome OS Kan Liu told me the company was obviously aware that people were using Crouton to do this before. But doing this also meant doing away with all of the security features that come with Google’s operating system.&quot;<p>I don&#x27;t know if I am the only one, but this one made me laugh.
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