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Carnegie Mellon Launches Undergraduate Degree in Artificial Intelligence

502 点作者 e15ctr0n大约 7 年前

43 条评论

jknoepfler大约 7 年前
I really do not like this move. AI and Machine Learning require graduate-level mathematical and computational skills. I don&#x27;t think it&#x27;s productive to pretend that we can train someone to be even remotely useful in these fields in four years of an undergraduate education. It sounds like an attempt to get around the fundamentals of csci to &quot;skip to the interesting bits,&quot; which will produce graduates with a cursory knowledge of computers, programming, math, and data science, which is honestly worse than no knowledge at all.<p>I&#x27;m not fundamentally opposed, but I think this is akin to creating a &quot;Condensed Matter and Nanophysics&quot; undergraduate degree alongside &quot;Physics.&quot;<p>Changing the name of a factory will not change the output. The only solution to creating more and better AI research is to invest in better fundamentals in computer science and mathematics, then create pipelines for specialization. Slow and low.
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kendallpark大约 7 年前
If you are an undergraduate in computer science these days, it is very hard to get into advanced AI&#x2F;ML classes, which are typically reserved for graduate students. Back before the ML goldrush, a strong CS undergrad interested in AI could elect to take advanced coursework beyond the introductory AI class. Nowadays, good luck getting off the waitlist! Having an official &quot;AI major&quot; does at least tell students, &quot;Hey, we are making it a priority that undergraduates have access to our rich AI curriculum.&quot;
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anonu大约 7 年前
So much negativity on this discussion. I&#x27;m very surprised to see this from the HN crowd. Guess what? Computer Science, Engineering, etc... is getting more complicated and complex. So seeing a discipline (assuming this is CS) get broken down into more distinct groupings is actually a good phenomenon. Of course there&#x27;s always foundational knowledge that is important to learn - but with time I feel like that information becomes de-emphasized to focus on higher-levels of understanding and knowledge.<p>On another note, CMU was always very good at cross-disciplinary studies. (Building Virtual Worlds comes to mind). As the article points out, this new degree bridges over to the humanities and ethics. With where we are today with AI, isn&#x27;t it a good thing to train the AI developers of the future to think about the implications of their work?
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wgyn大约 7 年前
Carnegie Mellon was the first university to offer a PhD in Machine Learning (via the Machine Learning Department which, again, I think is relatively unique in its existence). Regardless of how you feel about the hype, they made an early bet on the field and adding an undergraduate degree seems consistent.<p>Source: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ml.cmu.edu&#x2F;about&#x2F;index.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ml.cmu.edu&#x2F;about&#x2F;index.html</a>
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learc83大约 7 年前
This seems like a publicity stunt. It sounds like a CS degree where the electives are predetermined. Why couldn&#x27;t they just make this a concentration when it&#x27;s so intimately intertwined with CS.<p>The extra overhead graduates will have to deal with doesn&#x27;t seem worth it.<p>&quot;AI majors will receive the same solid grounding in computer science and math courses as other computer science students. In addition, they will have additional course work in AI-related subjects such as statistics and probability, computational modeling, machine learning, and symbolic computation.&quot;<p>They even say &quot;other computer science students&quot;.
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scott_s大约 7 年前
I think I now know how the electrical engineers felt in the &#x27;50s and &#x27;60s.
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majormajor大约 7 年前
This feels like a more useful CS degree, IMO. I don&#x27;t do anything like machine learning, but for both scaling backend services and building day-to-day business logic, I&#x27;ve gotten a ton of value out of knowing stats, logistics, and a certain amount of pattern recognition (ah, how terms go in and out of fashion). Take this stuff instead of the other sorts of electives I was picking from - UML Modeling, for instance - and I think you&#x27;ll be set up with a good broad base for understanding both code and machine learning applications, but also broader decision-making at a business level.
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triska大约 7 年前
Personally, I find the lack of <i>logic</i> programming, and logic in general, a rather notable property of the outlined curriculum. In fact, &quot;logic&quot; is nowhere explicitly mentioned in the course titles. Neither are &quot;formal&quot; and &quot;method&quot;.<p>For comparison, at the department of AI in Edinburgh, Prolog was very important and even actively developed to such an extent that current Prolog systems are still hugely influenced by &quot;Edinburgh Prolog&quot; (the original version being &quot;Marseille Prolog&quot;). Also, theorem proving is an important area of computer science with many connections to AI.<p>In Vienna (TU Wien), the related <i>Computational Intelligence</i> curriculum also involves a lot of logic, Prolog, constraint solving and formal methods, which play an important role in many areas of AI. It is a graduate degree though and assumes familiarity with many of the topics that are mentioned in this curriculum.
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KSS42大约 7 年前
University of Toronto Engineering also is starting a Machine Intelligence option:<p>Engineering Science - Machine Intelligence Option<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;engsci.utoronto.ca&#x2F;explore_our_program&#x2F;majors&#x2F;machine-intelligence&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;engsci.utoronto.ca&#x2F;explore_our_program&#x2F;majors&#x2F;machine...</a><p>What is the difference between the Machine Intelligence major in Engineering Science, and an undergraduate degree in Computer Science?<p>While there are some commonalities between the Machine Intelligence major and what is offered through Computer Science, engineering offers a unique perspective.<p>First, graduates will have a systems perspective on machine intelligence, which integrates computer hardware and software with mathematics and reasoning. This enables a focus on algorithm development and the relationship between machine intelligence with computer architecture and digital signal processing.<p>Secondly, graduates will benefit from an approach that encourages problem framing and design thinking. Design thinking is a method for the practical and creative resolution of problems, which encourages divergent thinking to ideate many solutions, and convergent thinking to realize the best one. Students will be able to frame and solve problems in the MI field, and apply MI tools to problems in many application areas. These include finance, education, advanced manufacturing, healthcare and transportation. This field is in a phase of rapid development, and engineers are well equipped to contribute as a shaping force.
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harveynick大约 7 年前
My undergraduate degree (from The University of Edinburgh) is Artificial Intelligence. I remember when I was visiting different universities in the UK back in 2000, Edinburgh was the only one I saw which offered AI as a &quot;real&quot; degree. Everywhere else it was a specialization which was tacked on in the final year of a computer science degree.<p>That seemed really odd to me then. Seems even odder now.
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joshuamorton大约 7 年前
This looks good (which shouldn&#x27;t be surprising coming from CMU). I&#x27;m kind of impressed by how similar this was to my undergrad curriculum (focusing on AI&#x2F;ML and CS theory). Looks like a fun program.<p>Also wow, Great Theoretical Ideas in Computer Science[1] is a hell of a course. Induction, DFAs, matchings, TMs, complexity, NP, approximation and randomization, Transducers, crypto, and quantum algos. That&#x27;s a lot of material, even if most of it appears to be only introductory level.<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cs.cmu.edu&#x2F;~15251&#x2F;schedule.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cs.cmu.edu&#x2F;~15251&#x2F;schedule.html</a>
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mkirklions大约 7 年前
Do you call this Artificial Intelligence?<p>I dont call this AI, I call this automation.<p>I know AI is a buzzword, but unless something is trying to think, its not AI to me.<p>What they are talking about seems to be automation through lots of code.<p>But hey, I havent been keeping up with this field, not sure what people are calling this.
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bertjk大约 7 年前
&quot;AI majors will receive the same solid grounding in computer science and math courses as other computer science students. In addition, they will have additional course work in AI-related subjects such as statistics and probability, computational modeling, machine learning, and symbolic computation.&quot;
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inputcoffee大约 7 年前
For those who don&#x27;t want to click through all the links, here is the syllabus:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cs.cmu.edu&#x2F;bs-in-artificial-intelligence&#x2F;curriculum" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cs.cmu.edu&#x2F;bs-in-artificial-intelligence&#x2F;curricu...</a><p>It seems reasonable to me. They are required to take 7 humanities courses. I certainly hope they are required to take a lot of other classes where they are required to read, reason, and write.
greesil大约 7 年前
I think if this is more the fundamentals for AI rather than &quot;this is all you will ever need to know&quot;, in other words NOT vocational, then this makes a lot of sense. When I started counting off the prerequisites to know what you are doing in ML, I could see it filling up a few years of coursework. Calculus up to multivariate calculus (gradient descent), a semester or two of statistics (gotta understand precision &#x2F; recall, expectation, moments, marginalization), some programming (how are you going to implement your solution?), the fundamentals of regression (overfitting, cross-validation, regularization), don&#x27;t forget linear algebra. Then there&#x27;s some prerequisites for unsupervised learning like expectation maximization. SVMs? You&#x27;ll be needing some constrained optimization and some applied math to make&#x2F;understand a reasonable solver. This seems like the greater part of an undergrad degree.
jimbokun大约 7 年前
A long long time ago, I got a Bachelors degree in Logic and Computation, with a specialization in Computational Linguistics from the Humanities and Social Sciences Department at Carnegie Mellon. Seemed to be the closest thing to an &quot;AI&quot; degree on offer at the time, from my undergrad perspective.
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epmaybe大约 7 年前
Seems like the university put a decent amount of thought into the program. I wonder whose brainchild this was, and pushed for it to be its own degree?<p>Regardless, even if a student no longer decides to pursue AI research or employment after graduation, they still have a marketable skillset for a variety of jobs.
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bitxbitxbitcoin大约 7 年前
That... is a cool degree name.<p>Still waiting for CMU to launch an Undergraduate Degree in Digital Currency, though.
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a-dub大约 7 年前
I think you can make this degree out of the standard electives offered in any good CS program, although the courses at CMU are more likely to be <i>great</i> rather than just good.<p>To me it was just &quot;the cool CS electives that you get to do if you get all the math, stats and signal processing down pat.&quot;<p>Sad news is that the fields that make up these interesting classes are things that people do PhDs in, so unless you get a PhD you&#x27;re unlikely to get anyone to pay you to do them when you&#x27;re done and will get stuck making the help button for the Google Cloud for Education Administrators Console anyway...
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mooneater大约 7 年前
I think its interesting that Deep Learning is just one course in a cluster of electives. To read recent press you might think that&#x27;s all current AI is.
nopinsight大约 7 年前
Related: China has just published the first AI textbook for high-school students.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.scmp.com&#x2F;tech&#x2F;china-tech&#x2F;article&#x2F;2144396&#x2F;china-looks-school-kids-win-global-ai-race" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.scmp.com&#x2F;tech&#x2F;china-tech&#x2F;article&#x2F;2144396&#x2F;china-lo...</a>
philjohn大约 7 年前
My degree was in Computer Science &amp; Artificial Intelligence way back in 1998 at the University of Birmingham (UK) - interesting to see not that many places offered it until recently.<p>Good to see that other undergrads are going to have access to AI&#x2F;ML courses rather than them being solely for post grads.
avelis大约 7 年前
In Fall 2007, USF (CA) CS program allowed me to take a Grad AI course as an undergrad. However, my coursework was graded differently ss an undergrad. I had a blast taking it, learned alot but I can say the requirements to get in depth with the material require a graduate program.
skate22大约 7 年前
I feel like i would rather be going into a DS interview as a CS grad with ML&#x2F;AI experience than as an AI grad.<p>Maybe i&#x27;m wrong here, but our biggest painpoint hiring for our datascience team is lack of dev skills. Simple stuff like deploying a model to heroku &amp; or writing tests
Vinnl大约 7 年前
Interestingly, I majored in Artificial Intelligence for my undergraduate degree, which has been a thing in the Netherlands for thirty years now. Vastly different scope, probably, but still interesting - I believe there are si universities here offering the program.
Upvoter33大约 7 年前
What&#x27;s most interesting about this list are the wide range of courses offered for undergrads in the topic (that is, assuming they are regularly offered) -- a very impressive list. Other schools will be hard-pressed to offer something so diverse and interesting.
sp332大约 7 年前
What did they call it before? As the article mentions, CMU has been doing AI for a long time.
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bytematic大约 7 年前
I love the ethics requirements. My current uni doesn&#x27;t have this and I&#x27;m so glad I took it at the college I attended as an underclassmen. The different ethical theories apply so well to a lot of work being done in computer science.
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camdenreslink大约 7 年前
In general, I&#x27;d say why even have a separate degree, but it makes sense for CMU with their rich AI history with the Robotics Institute. They probably have a lot of opportunities that could fill an entire major.
jcranmer大约 7 年前
Looking at the course list (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cs.cmu.edu&#x2F;bs-in-artificial-intelligence&#x2F;curriculum" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.cs.cmu.edu&#x2F;bs-in-artificial-intelligence&#x2F;curricu...</a>), I&#x27;d struggle to believe that students are going to come out of this strong enough to be effective in AI. I never went to CMU, so I don&#x27;t know how rigorous the &quot;Modern Regression&quot; course is for actually getting people sufficiently well-grounded in statistics to be able to overcome p-hacking and similar fallacies in analysis. I also would much like to see some sort of capstone project showing that the student can actually pull the AI together to make something complete, rather than having a merely theoretically background.
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lawrenceyan大约 7 年前
That&#x27;s why I chose to major in applied math. Impossible to invalidate, though if society somehow manages to do so, I won&#x27;t be mad sheerly because of how impressed I&#x27;ll be.
Rainymood大约 7 年前
Has been standard in Europe for quite some years now to see an undergraduate degree in AI ... weird seeing the US lag in this.
rajacombinator大约 7 年前
Reputable academic institutions should not get caught up in passing trends, if they want to stay reputable.
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uptownfunk大约 7 年前
It seems similar to when universities started spinning out stats degrees as separate from math
rlanday大约 7 年前
Which university is going to be the first to start offering blockchain degrees?
michaelsjoeberg大约 7 年前
&gt;include a strong emphasis on ethics and social responsibility
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bcatanzaro大约 7 年前
I lead an AI research lab, and I feel that a large part of the work is just coding. So I hope graduates of this program will be excellent coders. I won’t be hiring AI graduates that don’t know how to write code.
yeison大约 7 年前
That is so awesome. I think it is very valid to do so.
dqpb大约 7 年前
&gt; <i>providing students with in-depth knowledge of how to transform large amounts of data into actionable decisions.</i><p>That is a depressing definition of artificial intelligence.
huffer大约 7 年前
so... what will we call a graduate holding such a degree?
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graycat大约 7 年前
IMHO, a &quot;modest proposal&quot; for the the CMU CS AI degree, CMU CS, and much of STEM field academics: Have much of the department and program borrow from <i>clinical medicine</i>. So, have the department be in part a <i>clinic</i> for solving problems from outside academics via STEM material, information technology, CS, AI, etc.<p>E.g., yes, continue to have seminars with graduate students and professors with, call it, solutions looking for problems but also have people from outside academics with problems looking for solutions.<p>In the halls, should find, yes, students and professors but also eager, determined people from outside academics with problems looking for solutions. So, in part the halls should look like the ER of a major research-teaching hospital, like a cardiac center, stroke center, trauma center, birthing center, oncology ward, etc. working on important real problems from outside academics.<p>So, some problems will yield to data collection, <i>filtering</i>, exploratory data analysis (J. Tukey), graphing, descriptive statistics, cross tabulation, some simple hypotheses tests, etc.<p>Some problems will yield to optimization -- differentiate, set to zero and solve; linear programming, multi-objective linear programming, network linear programming, integer programming, quadratic programming, non-linear programming, convex programming, etc. There can be approximations, Lagrangian relaxation, achieving necessary conditions for optimality, exploitation of particular problem special structure, heuristics.<p>There can be classic statistics, especially multi-variate statistics, regression, principal components and factor analysis, discriminate analysis, experimental design and analysis of variance, catagorical data analysis, time series analysis.<p>And there can be more advanced tools in deterministic and stochastic optimal control, more in probabilistic and stochastic model building, etc.<p>There can be work in natural language understanding, computer vision, and robotics.<p>Some of the work for routine solutions can be done by students as part of apprenticeship, meeting and working with people from outside academics, etc.<p>Then for the better stuff, some of the more serious problems from outside academics can be the start of research for students or faculty. Partly the justification for the research would be the importance of the real problem.<p>There is an old recipe for rabbit stew that starts out, &quot;First catch a rabbit.&quot;. Well, a recipe for applied STEM field work could start out, &quot;First find an application ...&quot; or at least a good problem. Then, sure, look up, stir up lots of good theorems and proofs and algorithms and code but focused on the motivating real problem.<p>And then the research already has one good application. At that point, curiously, importantly, the chances of another application are relatively high, that is, higher than a first application for work with so far zero applications.<p>So, maybe CMU can develop some relatively broad expertise in, say, scheduling, logistics, supply chain optimization, facility location, monitoring, automation, etc.<p>When especially good results have been obtained for some business, sure, the Chair of CS, the Dean of the School of Engineering, the President of CMU, and various CMU Trustees might call the business CEO and mention that CMU has a fund .... That is, solicit donations!<p>When the program is established with good credibility, audit the financial benefits obtained and suggest that 10% back to CMU will get a seat a the Dean&#x27;s Round Table, etc.<p>Research-teaching medical schools deal with real problems and also make progress in research.<p>Academic departments of engineering, etc. should do much the same.
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crazy_monkey大约 7 年前
Will students do better than random on exams?
imranq大约 7 年前
Is CMU trying to compete with Udacity? I personally couldn’t take a degree in AI seriously.
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