TE
科技回声
首页24小时热榜最新最佳问答展示工作
GitHubTwitter
首页

科技回声

基于 Next.js 构建的科技新闻平台,提供全球科技新闻和讨论内容。

GitHubTwitter

首页

首页最新最佳问答展示工作

资源链接

HackerNews API原版 HackerNewsNext.js

© 2025 科技回声. 版权所有。

What does social science have to offer the data industry?

38 点作者 schaunwheeler大约 7 年前

8 条评论

eksemplar大约 7 年前
I think there is an important lesson in the approach to science that we see in the social sciences. Coming from a technical background we approach science, and data, as being the fundamental way of discover truth, but with humans there are often more than one truth.<p>We’ve seen the effect of it in management over the past 25 years. Today a good manager is expected to approach a team, not by instructing them in what to do and when to do it, but rather by creating a shared meaning through group conversation. It’s more important when you manage people who produce by thinking and being creative, but even at the factory line, this softer approach is proving useful.<p>We haven’t yet applied this to big data. I’m often sold ML as the ability to predict the future, and to some extend that is true. If I look at all the alcoholic families in my municipality and compare their case history with big data gathered on a national level, I’ll certainly be able to predict how many of their children we’ll need to remove. I just can’t predict which ones because determinism doesn’t actually work on something that complex.<p>The more data we have the less we understand about causality, something I’ve learned from history. If you look at the Roman Empire without digging into it, chosing Christianity seem obvious, but if you really get all the data on their options and then try to figure out why they did like they did, you’ll have no clue. Another example is online advertising, I read a news paper that I’ve never seen a single add for, and I see a lot of adds for news papers. I’m often called by news paper salesmen as well, but not for the one I read. This is because it doesn’t suit my elaborate online profile. My profile tells the add agencies what I should read, but it doesn’t tell them why, and the difference is failing them.<p>If we really want ML and big data to be truely useful, I think we need to learn from the social sciences, because they work much more with the complicated science behind the why.
评论 #17054509 未加载
评论 #17054472 未加载
empath75大约 7 年前
I think having a background in sociology, psychology, would be extremely good for ai researchers and anybody who needs to work with machine learning in general because ultimately those systems will have to interact with people, and a lot of those algorithms will have a huge impact on people’s lives, and you need to be sure that you aren’t encoding biases, etc that are going to harm people or unfairly exclude them.
评论 #17054488 未加载
评论 #17054305 未加载
michaelchisari大约 7 年前
Ask not what social science can offer the data industry, ask what the data industry can offer social science.
rossdavidh大约 7 年前
Ouch.<p>I think one way to think of this is, does a given field have any tools that, even if you disagreed with their values, you would still want access to? People who don&#x27;t like the idea of natural selection, still want doctors to take into account the phenomenon of antibiotic-resistant infections in their treatment. People who dislike the values of the software industry, often still want access to computers to publish their essays, surf the internet, etc. People who dislike the analytic, anti-holistic orientation of the physical sciences, still want access to the technology made using that.<p>What is there in the social sciences that you would want access to, even if you did not share their values? I think we may live to see a day when there is something, but I&#x27;m not sure that right now there is (yet).
评论 #17054255 未加载
评论 #17057141 未加载
amelius大约 7 年前
Since the data industry is using repeated real-life experiments on humans, can&#x27;t we say that the data industry IS social science (or part of it)?
评论 #17054612 未加载
jwildeboer大约 7 年前
What does data science has to offer to society? Currently not much either. #sarcasm
paultopia大约 7 年前
I think the author forgets that there are quantitative as well as qualitative social sciences. An anthropologist like the author might think that ethnography doesn&#x27;t have much to offer (though that seems dubious to me too, I&#x27;m no expert). But what about econometrics, item response theory work from psych, field experiments and &quot;natural experiments&quot; work from political science, network analysis work from sociology. Social science methodologists have contributed to a lot of the same things industry data scientists work on.
AndrewKemendo大约 7 年前
The field of Economics, especially behavioral economics, is probably trying the hardest to develop means of measurement for social phenomena.<p>At the end of the day though if you want to do data, then you have to have something which you can measure. So far social sciences have not been able to agree on a consistent observable metric for comparison.<p>Until we can figure out something measurable from first principals then social phenomena will be measured by proxy. Observational data about how people act is the closest we can come today to trying to determine why people act.