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Predatory Behavior Runs Rampant in Facebook’s Addiction Support Groups

325 点作者 DmenshunlAnlsis大约 7 年前

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FearNotDaniel大约 7 年前
My understanding from friends who spent time in 12 Step groups a few years ago was that the general consensus was for people in the groups to actively discourage each other from connecting on Facebook and other social media and from otherwise revealing their status as "recovering addicts" in these avenues. The expectation of this sort of thing happening was already there, and the principle of anonymity is already broken just by going online and discussing these things. As I understand it, the in-person groups were generally quite effective at self-policing to discourage commercial interests from creeping in. Of course, for people in rural, isolated situations some online contact with others might be the only option. Generally, the groups themselves run online forums and Skype group meetings for these situations. They may not be as flashy and all-pervasive as jumping on the latest social media hype train, but they are a heck of a lot safer when this sort of thing is going on.
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docdeek大约 7 年前
Previous reporting by the author of this piece also inspired a great episode of the Reply All podcast last week. [0]<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gimletmedia.com&#x2F;reply-all&#x2F;121-pain-funnel" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gimletmedia.com&#x2F;reply-all&#x2F;121-pain-funnel</a>
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achievingApathy大约 7 年前
The same is true for anything remotely to do with credit or credit repair. There is a whole rat&#x27;s nest of companies run out of the same PO Box in Minnesota that was shut down by the governor at least a few times now, but they basically have people go on and on about how these repair places worked miracles and post fake pics of &quot;credit reports&quot; that show these amazing 70-80 point boosts overnight. Now those sorts of jumps can happen but they are the exception, not the rule. They give shoddy credit advice to people so their scores initially go down to make them eager to sign up for a monthly recurring bill where they will basically sit on their hands and collect a check. It&#x27;s revolting.
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bmans94大约 7 年前
I immediately assumed, upon reading the title, that this was some sort of Facebook Addiction group, rather than addiction groups on Facebook. I live a pretty shielded life as far as knowing&#x2F;seeing legitimate drug addicts, but I found it interesting that I know many people who would definitely benefit from Facebook&#x2F;social media addiction therapy. Probably communicating over email.
greggarious大约 7 年前
Along similar lines, Reply All recently did a segment on predatory &quot;treatment&quot; centers that basically milk money from Medicare w&#x2F;o providing effective treatment:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gimletmedia.com&#x2F;reply-all&#x2F;121-pain-funnel#episode-player" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.gimletmedia.com&#x2F;reply-all&#x2F;121-pain-funnel#episod...</a>
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neurotech1大约 7 年前
Slightly OT: John Oliver did an interesting, albeit satirical, piece on rehab centers last night.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=hWQiXv0sn9Y" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=hWQiXv0sn9Y</a>
stemc43大约 7 年前
I use reddit&#x27;s stopdrinking subreddit - it&#x27;s very good.
fiatjaf大约 7 年前
In some years we&#x27;ll begin to see actual Facebook Addiction Support Groups.
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CPLX大约 7 年前
&gt; There’s a very long history of people going to [12-step] meetings and being taken advantage of by drug dealers<p>No, there isn&#x27;t. This seems like another pop-culture meme that comes out of drug war hysteria.
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mieseratte大约 7 年前
Reading the title, I had assumed this was just going to be the digitization of the typical AA &#x2F; NA creep hitting on &quot;fellow&quot; attendees, or drug dealer looking for clientele. Instead this is predatory companies looking for a meal ticket.<p>I can&#x27;t help but think just how much the internet opens the door to bad actors trying to pillage and plunder. Really makes this line of work feel like a massive mistake.
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bayonetz大约 7 年前
There is a great recent Reply All podcast episode called Pain Funnel on shady rehabs. Diabolical, perverse-incentive capitalism at its finest. For example, giving drugs to teens kicked out of one rehab so that they can “piss dirty” to get accepted to a new detox&#x2F;rehab. On top of the drugs, they give them a cash bonus for doing it. The rehabs then do stuff like urine screens three times per day which they can bill insurance at $5000 per screen. Insane!
RickJWagner大约 7 年前
&quot;Don&#x27;t talk to strangers&quot; is applicable to social media, too.
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hacknewsleet大约 7 年前
This is nothing new, rehabs do the same predatory shit and provide terrible treatment, in order to keep addicts relapsing and coming back. See John Oliver’s latest episode today.
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orf大约 7 年前
&gt; Marketers from the treatment center had to approve every post in the group, which gave them the first opportunity to privately message good candidates for their rehab and try to talk them into going to Windward in California. They needed that edge, Mendoza explained to me a few weeks ago, because they knew a Facebook group that big would be full of other marketers, waiting to swoop in as soon as a juicy message was public.<p>There is something uniquely... American about this comment. By that I mean that divorced from the ethics setting up large Facebook groups and using them to funnel patients into your addiction center is a <i>great</i> strategy, and it clearly works. It seems, to me at least, to make good business sense. That&#x27;s not to say that the practice itself is unique to America, more that it&#x27;s encouraged by the hyper capitalist &#x27;profit above all else&#x27; that America espouses.<p>After taking a step backwards however then you&#x27;re just exploiting&#x2F;taking advantage of vulnerable people looking for help and using that to manipulate them into giving you money.
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m3kw9大约 7 年前
Strong found a dwelling for the weak, and preyed on them.
lb1lf大约 7 年前
That’s just Sutton’s Law at work.<p>(Willie Sutton was a notorious bank robber, who allegedly upon being asked why he robbed banks, replied «Because that’s where the money is!»)<p>While distinctly in poor taste, it can hardly be a surprise that these groups are preyed upon by marketers.
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SiempreViernes大约 7 年前
&gt; “I reached out to Laurie to see how I could help,” Calvert responded when I reached out to her.<p>Man, what&#x27;s with this fascination with &quot;reaching out&quot;? Here we a sales person targeting victims of addiction for a sales pitch terming it &quot;reaching out&quot;, setting up some pretty negative associations of that phrase. Yet the journalist is so conditioned they use the very same words for the process of requesting a comment from one of villains of the story!<p>I guess it&#x27;s just poor editing, but the blindness is still remarkable!
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jonnycomputer大约 7 年前
The weak, the desperate, the vulnerable--these are always the first to be victimized by the self-interested and unscrupulous, the scammers, the cons, the gutter scum.
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gowld大约 7 年前
Therapy is a <i>terrible</i> match for the free market. The fundamental axioms of free trade are in contradiction when participants&#x27; irrationality is one of of the axioms.<p>Look at how aggressively advertisers bid for ad spots on [credit counseling services] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;search?q=credit+counseling+services" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;search?q=credit+counseling+services</a>
ggg9990大约 7 年前
I know the “correct” Silicon Valley position is to be anti-death penalty, but damn there are some people who need to be doused in gasoline and set on fire.