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Pornography and the Butterfly Effect

147 点作者 DmenshunlAnlsis将近 7 年前

17 条评论

pjc50将近 7 年前
Two threads here: one is that copyright in porn has largely broken down, resulting in a single giant company making a lot of money from recordings without paying the performers.<p>The second is: what is the effect of production and distribution of porn, on those producing it, consuming it, and third parties? This was a huge issue for feminism in the late 70s and early 80s, with Camille Paglia on the pro side and Andrea Dworkin on the anti side. It has still not been resolved. It&#x27;s a huge and complex question, and the answer almost certainly depends on the details of the content.
damagednoob将近 7 年前
&gt; Did you know that teens are having substantially less sex than the previous few generations? It’s true! And generally interpreted as a good thing. But Ronson suggests that this is in large part because porn is replacing sex, and, in fact, making real sex with real woman seem alienating and difficult.<p>Further down the author specifically mentions the correlation&#x2F;causality fallacy but there are surely other explanations for this. The rise of cheap entertainment in the form of online gaming or Netflix come readily to mind.
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mjfl将近 7 年前
I think pornography is going to be a significant selection pressure on the human race, much more than we realize. We&#x27;re basically running a global-scale experiment right now. Who knows what&#x27;s going to happen in 10-15 years, when the first generation with firehoses of firehoses of HD porn just a click away their entire lives, comes of age to marry and have children. I think it&#x27;s going to effect both men and women pretty badly. Men will be emasculated by the relative difference between the pornography they watch, the expectations porn creates, and the barren reality of their actual sex lives. I think this is going to disincentivize men even more from pursuing sexual relationships, even more than just having their desires pseudo-satisfied by the porn itself. Women are going to be stunned by the attenuation of men&#x27;s desire for them, desire that came as an assumption to thousands of years of cultural norms (male-led courtship) and perhaps even instincts built into our genes. Porn may require&#x2F;cause a genetic readjustment. We won&#x27;t live long enough to see.
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rayiner将近 7 年前
These phenomena aren’t limited to porn. Content industries have several players competing for limited revenues. Customers don’t care who gets what, they’re willing to pay a certain amount for the content (even if that amount is in the form of advertising). The chief battle is between distributors and content producers. When copyright breaks down, as it has in porn, distributors get all the leverage and all the profits.<p>Accordingly, distributors have huge incentives to push for weakening of copyright. The lobbying of middle-man companies like Google, etc., against copyright can be viewed through that lens. Distribution channels like YouTube, etc., are a lot more valuable when they can distribute other peoples’ content for free.
hfdgiutdryg将近 7 年前
<i>&quot;Did you know that erectile dysfunction rates have risen tenfold among young men since the rise of free porn? Correlation does not prove causality but it’s hard to imagine that those two things aren’t somehow related.&quot;</i><p>I&#x27;m extremely skeptical that it&#x27;s caused by porn. More men are on Propecia than in the past. Probably more anti-depressants, too. And it seems to me that people have really ratcheted up the anxiety in general, over the last 20 years or so.
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hrktb将近 7 年前
Is it still a butterfly effect when it’s a first level effect of the phenomenon ?<p>Otherwise there seem to be a lot of pushing of that Montreal company, when the coming of free sex to the net must have been a more decentralized and varied phenomenon.<p>In particular there is a dynamic between pro and amateur pornographic content that is completely ignored to focus on the “incel” concept I am not sure is even correctly discussed in the article.
silveira将近 7 年前
I listened to this series. At the end I was surprised that the author was not blaming 9&#x2F;11 on porn, because he was blaming pretty much everything on porn.
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elorant将近 7 年前
I was under the impression that the size of the online porn industry is in the billions. And yet, the article states that Thylmann bought pretty much every competitor with just $362 million. That doesn&#x27;t add-up. What am I missing? Are the rumors for the industry&#x27;s size overstated?
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ikeboy将近 7 年前
&gt;As for beneficial — well, as a good San Franciscan I am of course sex-positive, pro-sex-workers, and pro-porn as a concept … but it would be disingenuous to pretend that Ronson doesn’t show a lot of dubious-trending-negative emergent effects of essentially unlimited free pornography.<p>That 5 negatives in a row? Impressive.
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vinayms将近 7 年前
I wonder if there is a user content monetization scheme in porn industry. By that I mean whether all those people, regular people and not porn actors, who voluntarily upload videos where they have sex, bathe, undress etc get paid. I think a large portion of such videos are really private but are leaked by bitter exes, or stolen from lost mobiles etc, but there is a portion that is indeed voluntary. I wonder about that.<p>This would be an interesting sociological development when (or if?) it happens.
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bambax将近 7 年前
I&#x27;ve read somewhere (but can&#x27;t find now) that boys &#x2F; men and girls &#x2F; women reaction to porn is different in that for males, porn is a satisfactory substitute for sex, while it isn&#x27;t for females.<p>Don&#x27;t exactly know what to make of that, but was disappointed with the article because it didn&#x27;t seem to take gender in consideration at all.
temp-dude-87844将近 7 年前
The widespread availability of pornography probably <i>does</i> drive home several extra layers of resentment in someone whose personal track record with courting, dating, and sex has been unsatisfying. At a surface level, it seems to demonstrate that sex -- and not just fruits of performances thereof -- is a transaction, and that the attributes that they bring to the marketplace (appearance, aesthetic, attitude, interests, personality, attainment) are unpopular among the potential pool. Amateur pornography exacerbates this, because it appears to suggest that sex, and the mood of sexual adventurousness required to film it, is extremely common, and taking place between average, everyday people. This can further their fears of inferiority.<p>This skirts a taboo that you can barely talk about: that personal preferences in dating are not judged to the same standard, and that movements of empowerment and positivity are clashing with everyone&#x27;s free will in pursuing -- and especially articulating -- what they do and don&#x27;t like. Declining to date someone because they&#x27;re fat is now firmly seen as a bullying tactic, but not dating someone because they&#x27;re short is perfectly fine. The protocols around communicating preferences to others and getting them accepted by one&#x27;s peers is a quagmire where social conventions haven&#x27;t ventured, so everyone lies for self-preservation (&quot;I like you as a friend&quot;, &quot;I don&#x27;t wanna be tied down&quot;), and those left out are left to draw their own conclusions.<p>This is all terribly unfortunate, but not really new; the incel movement, however, feeds not solely on rejection and obsessing over the base biological reasons thereof, but the implicit entitlement they they&#x27;d deserve otherwise.
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_b8r0将近 7 年前
From the site here in GDPR-land:<p>&quot;Select &#x27;OK&#x27; to continue using our products, otherwise, you will not be able to access our sites and apps.&quot;<p>Looks like I&#x27;m not reading this then.
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emsy将近 7 年前
&gt;Perhaps the most volatile question: does widely available free porn encourage “incels,” the latest boogeymen from the Internet, and the calls for “enforced monogamy” from e.g. blowhard academics who people inexplicably take serious?<p>In a world where objective journalism doesn’t pay, does every site become Vice?
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frenchpress123将近 7 年前
For posterity, here is Jordan Peterson responding to the numerous articles that misinterpretation his usage of the phrase &quot;enforced monogamy&quot;:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jordanbpeterson.com&#x2F;media&#x2F;on-the-new-york-times-and-enforced-monogamy&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jordanbpeterson.com&#x2F;media&#x2F;on-the-new-york-times-and-...</a>
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mmjaa将近 7 年前
Maybe porn isn&#x27;t the butterfly. Maybe sexism is the butterfly, and porn just the wind ..
PKop将近 7 年前
Here&#x27;s an enlightening video on the detrimental effects of porn on the brain. Porn addiction shows similar effects as opiates.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;wSF82AwSDiU" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;wSF82AwSDiU</a><p>Related: &quot;NoFap&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;NoFap&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;NoFap&#x2F;</a>
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