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4Chan Is Turning 15–And Remains the Internet's Teenager

65 点作者 artsandsci将近 7 年前

16 条评论

deft将近 7 年前
How many of these anti-4chan articles are written by people that regularly use it? I&#x27;m guessing zero. 4chan is an interesting site and has better discussion from a broad userbase than reddit or here. Plenty of interesting projects were born out of 4chan, particularly &#x2F;g&#x2F; but the other boards have created valuable things for humans in general, not just internet culture. The positives IMO come from the whole &quot;FREE SPEECH&quot; attitude, that also leads to the negatives. 4chan&#x27;s soul is in trolling, memes and productive creativity. They go hand in hand.<p>Try using 4chan and ignore the crap you don&#x27;t care about. It&#x27;s exactly like reddit, everyone says stay away from the defaults. In 4chan&#x27;s case, stay away from &#x2F;b&#x2F;, &#x2F;v&#x2F; and &#x2F;pol&#x2F; and you&#x27;re unlikely to see anything graphic or demeaning beyond general discussion boards...<p>Projects I know that were born on 4chan: tox.im - &#x2F;g&#x2F; TurtleCoin - &#x2F;biz&#x2F; NetRunner - &#x2F;g&#x2F; Others mentioned in the article, notably project chanology.<p>Editing this comment just to say that my point wasn&#x27;t that toxicity, racism and sexism are okay to just ignore... my point was we already ignore that everywhere else on the internet. Look at youtube or reddit comments. If you can&#x27;t see how it&#x27;s the same you&#x27;re just better at ignoring it on your platform of choice. I&#x27;d say it&#x27;s more concentrated on 4chan yes, and I&#x27;ve probably gotten pretty good at filtering it out myself. But this problem is all over the internet and writing a piece about how 4chan &quot;needs to grow up&quot; isn&#x27;t much of a revelation. The whole internet needs to.
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Shank将近 7 年前
&gt; Yet this cannot last. At 15 years old, 4chan has reached adolescence. Up till now, trolls—children—have been in control. It’s not so funny anymore. After all, even the lost boys had to grow up.<p>Just because one can write that it cannot last doesn&#x27;t make it so. Putting 4chan in terms of &quot;human age&quot; and development does little to quantify anything. Facebook is 14 and Twitter is 12 and that doesn&#x27;t say anything about them. They all have their own problems, but if this age metaphor is to work, then 4chan should be &quot;more mature&quot; than its younger siblings. It isn&#x27;t.<p>4chan is also not going anywhere fast. Someone seems inclined to still pay for the servers, and until that time stops, it&#x27;s probably going to say well and truly the same. That&#x27;s just what you get when you have an anonymous imageboard. But, even if something happened and 4chan shutdown, you&#x27;d still have any number of chans that still exist as clones. It&#x27;s trivial to find them. You can close the pool, but there are infinite pools to close.
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_mlxl将近 7 年前
&gt; &quot;The design remains proudly undesigned&quot;<p>I&#x27;ve always thought 4chan was beautifully designed. Its hyperfunctional in a way that wired.com designers will never know because they are too busy injecting ads into every inch of available space.
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local_yokel将近 7 年前
Summary: grouchy suburban dad who realizes he isn&#x27;t cool anymore shakes fist at rebellious neighborhood kids, shouting that they need to grow up.<p>Why is it that whenever a mainstream site like Wired pumps out an article looking down their noses at some &quot;problematic&quot; online community, it&#x27;s immediately obvious that the author has never been part of said community and instead bases their overly simplistic views on an hour of research.
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zhte415将近 7 年前
&gt; There isn’t darkness without the light, it seems. So it’s probably fair to say 4channers are, at least a little bit, right: Their haven is the soul of the internet, the deep source of its sights and sounds, for worse and, occasionally, for better.<p>I couldn&#x27;t see much notable in the article, aside from a negative slew at the start, and some &#x27;the other side of the coin&#x27; in the above quote.<p>15 years is noteworthy, however, and I&#x27;m surprised so short, as I started visiting it back in 2003&#x2F;2004; it seemed about as busy then as today. 4chan hasn&#x27;t changed much from an external perspective. Traffic has probably been at stable levels for years, while the price of traffic has fallen.<p>I quite enjoy it&#x27;s existence. There is a great diversity between message boards. Some are the reverse of b and pol highlighted in the article, as is the case on Reddit. Anonymous can be good. a la Hacker News&#x27;s freedom of registration.
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no_one_ever将近 7 年前
This is a really sensationalist article. I&#x27;m not going to ignore the parts of 4chan highlighted by the article, but there are some really good boards you can visit where the level of discussion is far superior than what you would find in most corners of today&#x27;s popular forums. Personally I don&#x27;t participate in any conversations, but I&#x27;ll read the threads on the boards I find interesting.<p>If anything, 4chan is an authentic reflection of the internet&#x27;s user base. You&#x27;ll find both gold and garbage depending on what you visit and frequent. It is unfair to broadly paint the site as only containing the worst of human nature. If you were to similarly depict other popular websites like Reddit in the same fashion, you would get something just as horrifying.
m0ck将近 7 年前
wow, this is an example of some horrible, horrible journalism.<p>I could tell after first two paragraphs, that the author did not spend more than 15 minutes on the site itself and most of her &quot;facts&quot; come from lazily googled trivia.<p>I spent more time, than I&#x27;d like to admit on this and similiar imageboards. I still visit it semi-regulary (only fitness board nowadays), but this description as place where only edgy teenagers go to bully other people is plain wrong and misdirecting. Will you be judging Reddit next, solely by &#x2F;r&#x2F;politics, or &#x2F;r&#x2F;The_Donald, which both are terrible communities? Because that&#x27;s what you did, with mentioning only &#x2F;b&#x2F; and &#x2F;pol&#x2F; as the core of 4chan.<p>My advice for the author: LURK MOAR :)
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izzydata将近 7 年前
As someone who has frequented 4chan for nearly 15 years I don&#x27;t think you want 4chan to die for many reasons. If 4chan is gone then all of the time people spend there will be spent somewhere else. Maybe the internet is too far gone to be significantly impacted, but I&#x27;d rather not test it.<p>Most of 4chan boards aren&#x27;t really that bad though.
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mabynogy将近 7 年前
&#x2F;g is interesting especially &#x2F;g&#x2F;dpt (the daily programming thread). Today&#x27;s thread: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;boards.4chan.org&#x2F;g&#x2F;thread&#x2F;66170997" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;boards.4chan.org&#x2F;g&#x2F;thread&#x2F;66170997</a>
josefresco将近 7 年前
<i>Indeed, nearly every evil of the internet begins, or picks up steam, on the site. To invoke yet another metaphor: It’s a breeding ground. (The fact that 4chan has been called so many things suggests a feeble attempt to make sense of chaos.) Many of the recruitment techniques of the so-called alt-right were piloted there; many white nationalists started out as 4channers. It’s unclear if or how one ages out of the site—but it is clear that it unleashes trolls on the real world.</i><p>Sounds like a great place.
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forgottenpass将近 7 年前
<i>There was a time, a couple of decades ago, when trolls didn’t really exist online</i><p>To put this in context, Eternal September was in 93, and Slashdot was started in 97. But apparently moot imported trolls from Japan in the early 2000s?... or something? I didn&#x27;t really bother trying to understand.
forgottenpass将近 7 年前
When did new immigrants to the internet stop learning about the things we long-considered to be emergent phenomena of social interaction on the Internet? Eternal September eventually became known as a breaking point where what &quot;is&quot; and what &quot;ought&quot; will never be the same again. It seemed like we resigned to mapping&#x2F;understanding the ways conversation breaks down so we could practice good mental hygiene of recognizing it, and stopping ourselves from accidentally getting sucked into it. Why did we loose the collective wisdom of social systems at scale?<p>tl;dr: Who am I to blame for the fact WIRED of all places is writing hot takes about social dynamics of the internet like a Dad that just got their first smartphone?
Nadya将近 7 年前
<i>&gt;4chan has never been a nice place. Most people don’t spend time there</i><p>Imagine a place where people don&#x27;t take things that seriously and things are just weird enough that the inside jokes keeps all the outsiders out and alienated. Everyone else is sitting around the virtual campfire telling jokes and sharing stories. 4chans all reaching (and not-just-&#x2F;b&#x2F;-and-&#x2F;pol&#x2F;) bad rep comes largely in thanks to people who <i>obviously don&#x27;t browse 4chan</i> or have only taken a look at &#x2F;pol&#x2F; or &#x2F;b&#x2F;. They took a passing glance, maybe for a day or two, saw nothing but inane bullshit, and (justifiably) moved on with their lives. 4chan has a lot of shit, I don&#x27;t deny that and I don&#x27;t blame anyone for not having the desire to wade knee deep in it. Although wading through only the deep end of it skews perspectives heavily.<p>Notice how this article purposefully cherrypicks boards like &#x2F;pol&#x2F;, &#x2F;h&#x2F;, and &#x2F;y&#x2F; instead of the less egregious boards &#x2F;g&#x2F; (technology), &#x2F;o&#x2F; (automobiles), &#x2F;his&#x2F; (history), or &#x2F;co&#x2F; (comics). One would leave with the idea that 4chan is nothing but a place for hentai and alt-right hate groups. Even among itself &#x2F;b&#x2F; and &#x2F;pol&#x2F; are disliked among the site. They&#x27;re considered <i>containment boards</i> that prevent other boards being shit up. But one wouldn&#x27;t understand the concept of a &quot;containment board&quot; if one doesn&#x27;t browse 4chan. In fact - most articles about 4chan don&#x27;t even use the term &quot;containment board&quot; because the authors never lurk long enough to discover the term.<p><i>&gt;There was a time, a couple of decades ago, when trolls didn’t really exist online</i><p>Are they talking about pre-Usenet days? I don&#x27;t remember a time online when trolls didn&#x27;t really exist.<p><i>&gt;And because each message board is limited to 10 pages of posts, most messages get bumped off the server within a day, if not hours. It’s pretty much unusable for the uninitiated.</i><p>This is by design. Hence &quot;Lurk more.&quot; Imagine trying to jump into an hour old conversation having heard only the past 10 seconds of it. Nothing you have to say at that moment could have any relevance to the conversation because you still don&#x27;t know what the conversation is even about. Now imagine that conversation has been going on for 15 years and you&#x27;ve only just showed up an hour ago. Oh - it&#x27;s also in a language you can only half understand and can&#x27;t speak yet. <i>Nothing</i> you could say is important, you&#x27;re missing any useful information, can&#x27;t identify greentext and copypasta from actual opinions and information. The concept of lurking before contributing to a discussion is seemingly lost in a post-Usennet, post-forum internet.<p><i>&gt;And Gamergate, the smear campaign against female game developers?</i><p>Audibly laughed. They&#x27;re still sticking with that? Gamergate has, and you can count yourself, has &quot;harassed&quot; far more males than females. Almost all journalists - and almost all peddling bullshit. Saying someone is spewing bullshit isn&#x27;t harassment. Although I do love how Elon Musk became an alt-right, anti-Semitic, GamerGator because he dared speak out against the media.
danmg将近 7 年前
In related news Wired Magazine is 25 years old and doesn&#x27;t understand &#x27;kids these days.&#x27;
matheusmoreira将近 7 年前
&gt;Not that you’d want to be there. The most popular boards on 4chan are typically &#x2F;pol&#x2F;, a place for what they say is “politically incorrect” (read: racism, misogyny, homophobia)<p>So this is what the article is about. &#x2F;pol&#x2F; offended some journalist&#x27;s sensibilities. I bet they&#x27;re laughing at him right now.
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myf01d将近 7 年前
4chan is the last and only bastion of free speech on the internet. I know most here still think it&#x27;s about trolling&#x2F;racism&#x2F;sharing shocking images, but I&#x27;ve seen there the most interesting discussions that cannot be found anywhere else. I agree that &#x2F;pol&#x2F; is full retards, but there is also &#x2F;his&#x2F;, &#x2F;g&#x2F;, &#x2F;sci&#x2F; and &#x2F;mu&#x2F;