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Around the World, People Have Surprisingly Modest Notions of the ‘Ideal’ Life

195 点作者 monort将近 7 年前

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DanAndersen将近 7 年前
&gt;Furthermore, people said, on average, that they ideally wanted to live until they were 90 years old, which is only slightly higher than the current average life expectancy. Even when participants imagined that they could take a magic pill guaranteeing eternal youth, their ideal life expectancy increased by only a few decades, to a median of 120 years old.<p>Part of the reason for these &quot;surprising&quot; results is probably the individualistic framing of the question. It makes a difference if only you have unnaturally long life, or if you are part of a family or society that is similarly long-lived. For example, the thought of lingering on after friends and family from my generation have died has no appeal to me.<p>In general, the implication that it&#x27;s surprising that people didn&#x27;t want &quot;happiness&quot; and &quot;life expectancy&quot; as the end goals speaks to assumptions of atomization among the creators of the study. Deep down, I think people want meaning and a sense of narrative structure to their lives, not just chasing after pleasures.<p>&gt;And when people were invited to choose their ideal IQ, the median score was about 130 – a score that would classify someone as smart, but not a genius.<p>How was the question structured? I have doubts that most people get the statistics of what it means to be 130 IQ vs 150 IQ, etc.
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mrob将近 7 年前
Do people genuinely have modest ambitions, or are they avoiding the mental stress of thinking about how remote their true ambitions are from what&#x27;s realistically attainable?
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SerLava将近 7 年前
I remember watching something that claimed the ancient Egyptian concept of heaven was, at some point, a place where you can perform agricultural labor without drought, pests, or blight etc.<p>Different strokes I suppose.
camillomiller将近 7 年前
“The data also revealed that participants from holistic cultures – those that value notions of contradiction, change, and context – chose ideal levels of traits that were consistently lower than those reported by participants from nonholistic cultures.“<p>This is exactly the empyrical explanation I gave to myself when I tried to understand why the people I met in Vietnam and Thailand are vastly happier than the average Westerner.
analog31将近 7 年前
I have modest ambitions for an &quot;ideal&quot; life. Give me a pleasant place to live, Python, some musical instruments, and a working bicycle, and I&#x27;m happy.<p>Health and comfort for my family are also at the top of the list, likewise wanting my kids to have a good education -- that&#x27;s just part of my culture.<p>But I can see lots of ways that my life could become profoundly miserable. So my pursuit of wealth is not so much to attain some high status, but to provide a safety net for myself and my family.
Ari_Rahikkala将近 7 年前
I don&#x27;t know. Maybe if you&#x27;ve been reading bad science fiction with immortal geniuses running around everywhere, it might seem that living to 120 and having an IQ of 130 is leaving a lot on the table, but when you compare those numbers to what we actually get, I think calling them &quot;modest&quot; is missing the point. Those aren&#x27;t numbers that say &quot;I&#x27;m more or less content with my lot&quot;, those are numbers that say you wish you were as smart as the smartest person you ever met, and that the papers wrote stories about your birthdays. They&#x27;re an argument against the idea that transhumanism isn&#x27;t something that people actually want.<p>And of course, the implication is obvious: If everyone <i>did</i> on average live to 120 and get an IQ of 130 on our tests, then everyone would be wanting to live 200 years, and quite a few people would probably want an IQ of 160 on the old tests. That is, unless that was the point where people just switched to transhumanism as simplified humanism: Having the choice to live longer and to understand the universe better are probably always a good thing, regardless of how long you&#x27;ve lived and how much you understand.
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StavrosK将近 7 年前
I legitimately don&#x27;t know what I&#x27;d do with more &quot;stuff&quot; than what I currently have. For me, the ideal life would be having lots of good friends, and enough money to not have to worry about paying bills or doing things I like (i.e. a salary of around 60k&#x2F;yr where I live).
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the8472将近 7 年前
&gt; Even when participants imagined that they could take a magic pill guaranteeing eternal youth, their ideal life expectancy increased by only a few decades, to a median of 120 years old. And when people were invited to choose their ideal IQ, the median score was about 130 – a score that would classify someone as smart, but not a genius.<p>Medians? The distributions would be more interesting.
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coldtea将近 7 年前
&gt;<i>And when people were invited to choose their ideal IQ, the median score was about 130 – a score that would classify someone as smart, but not a genius.</i><p>Which, given what we know about plenty of genius biographies, and how frail and paranoid their lives can be precisely because of their higher mental faculties, seems like a perfect compromise.
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tw1010将近 7 年前
&quot;Surprising&quot; only if you&#x27;re in a small minority of people. To the vast majority, this is not surprising at all. To have an ambitious notion of an ideal life, that is what&#x27;s surprising. (If you define surprising as whatever dominates the greatest concentration of the distribution, instead of focusing on the anomalies in the tail.)
carapace将近 7 年前
Surprising to whom?<p>- - - -<p>When I was a young man I read in a book about Taoism of the farmer so content that, though he could hear the rooster of the next village crowing, he had never troubled himself to travel there.<p>When I read that I was vaguely horrified. Now, as an older man, I see the wisdom in it.
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Havoc将近 7 年前
Very wary of the term &quot;ideal&quot; in this context.<p>Good...sure that&#x27;s easy. Basically need my current mid tier salary guaranteed minus the part of slogging 9-5 in the office.<p>Ideal...well I&#x27;ll need a couple billions to start with.
amriksohata将近 7 年前
The ideal life is searching for a higher purpose other than chasing money till your death bed
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pasbesoin将近 7 年前
For me: Good health, and peace and quiet. Fellow people to enjoy in same.<p>The U.S. has made it increasingly difficult to achieve these. &quot;Health care&quot; has become wealth extraction, and a culture of excess combined with cheap electronics have taught people to &quot;turn it up&quot;.<p>And damned to your neighbor; they should learn to &quot;collaborate&quot; at work and turn up their own music, at home.<p>It&#x27;s exhausting.
reasonattlm将近 7 年前
This study reports on attitudes to longevity that are reminiscent of the 2013 Pew survey [1]. When asked, people want to live a little longer than their neighbors, at the high end of the normal life span for old individuals today. When asked how long they want to live given the guarantee of perfect health, people pick a number close to the maximum recorded human life span. This sounds like a collusion between the instinctive desires for first conformity and secondly hierarchy, deeply entwined with the human condition, present in all of our primate cousins, a self-sabotaging gift from our evolutionary heritage. We are hardwired to feel comfortable in a hierarchical social structure. We desire to be higher in the hierarchy than those around us, yet not so high that we are non-conforming.<p>One might argue that the interaction between the need for hierarchy and need for conformity is also at the root of the essential conservatism in human nature: the urge to preserve the present state of the world, to change it as little as possible. Given a teacup, ambition is restrained to the safe, conformist goal of two teacups - rather than, say, the disruptive change of a tea set factory, a house, an end to aging, the colonization of Mars, the cure for cancer. We live in an age of radical change, a revolution in the capabilities of biotechnology presently underway, but when you ask people what they want for their health, they&#x27;ll claim nothing more than ten more years. That is the least of what might be achieved soon in the medical sciences, but without the desire for more than that, the rejuvenation research projects capable of providing far more will continue to struggle to find funding.<p>At the same time as the potential has arisen for a future in which the suffering and death of aging is banished, all disease controlled through advanced medicine, the vast majority of people still march stolidly towards what they assume to be the same fate as their grandparents [2]. They are conforming. They expect to live a life that is the same in shape as it was for those born in the early to mid 1900s, somehow holding this idea in their minds at the same time as retaining the memory of living through the computing and internet revolutions, alongside any number of other sweeping changes in the nature of the human experience. How do we change this story that people are telling themselves? That is the fundamental question for all advocacy for radical change, such as the radical change of bringing an end to aging.<p>[1]: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pewforum.org&#x2F;2013&#x2F;08&#x2F;06&#x2F;living-to-120-and-beyond-americans-views-on-aging-medical-advances-and-radical-life-extension&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.pewforum.org&#x2F;2013&#x2F;08&#x2F;06&#x2F;living-to-120-and-beyond-...</a><p>[2]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.exratione.com&#x2F;2017&#x2F;04&#x2F;blind-upon-the-eve-of-apotheosis&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.exratione.com&#x2F;2017&#x2F;04&#x2F;blind-upon-the-eve-of-apot...</a>
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woodandsteel将近 7 年前
I think that part of what is going on here is that in the holistic cultures there is more satisfaction from close, stable social relations, like for esteem, whereas in the non-holistic cultures there is more stress on individualistic satisfactions.
maxander将近 7 年前
It’s a nice result; a world full of 130-IQ humans with a 120-year life expectancy sounds stable and achievable next to most techno-utopian visions.<p>But, I wonder if you asked a 115-year old whether they wanted to die in 5 years what they would say then.
megamindbrian2将近 7 年前
A roof, clean water, and food. Waste and sewage removal is a mutually beneficial luxury.
therealtomsmith将近 7 年前
psychologicalscience.org has not been on any dating sites lately.
lerie82将近 7 年前
figures a psychology website would try to categorize everyone in one little box. nobody even knows what &quot;life&quot; is, so how would we even know what the &quot;ideal&quot; life is.<p>people only go into the psychology field for the $$
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