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'New Zealand wants you': the problem with tech at the edge of the world

81 点作者 ninguem2将近 7 年前

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101km将近 7 年前
Wellington is like a smaller (and much more windy) San Francisco. Having just finished driving 12,000km tip-to-tip, that might be the one spot that&#x27;s dense enough to amount to something.<p>I can&#x27;t emphasize enough how rural the rest of this country is.<p>New Zealand is a victim of its success in tourism. Everything is geared towards that. Imagine living somewhere like Denver, CO but with SF prices and depressed software salaries. It&#x27;s a wonderful place but even with all things being equal bureaucracy wise (and they aren&#x27;t), the list of places ahead of Wellington is two miles long.
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madaxe_again将近 7 年前
They have a really odd way to attract tech talent....<p>I exited my startup in the uk two years ago, successfully, leaving a successful and growing technology business behind. I have several ideas which I am prepared to self-fund up to £0.5M, and want a good environment in which to start a new business. I know coders in NZ, and they’re a talented bunch, we began to hatch a plan.<p>In short, the NZ gov’t don’t want it. They either want more money invested up front (much, much more), a VC to be involved (not at that stage yet by a long shot), or for me to buy a new property in NZ for &gt; $2,000,000. Apparently having built a business with £10M turnover from nothing isn’t sufficiently good enough entrepreneurship for me to pass.<p>I’m now looking elsewhere - which is a shame, as I love NZ for many reasons, from the people to the nature, to the family I have there. I’m trying very hard not to be bitter about the repeated rejections, as it’s not fair to tar a nation on the basis of immigration bureaucrats. I’m certainly disappointed - the idea was for a service that NZ <i>needs</i>, that I hit upon while travelling there after my exit for a few months.<p>All they will attract will be satellite startups owned by megacorporations, as this appears to be how the bars are set.
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pixelbash将近 7 年前
I work out of a very small studio in Auckland mostly building ecom (cofounder&#x2F;dev). The reality is NZ is such a tiny market that is has a really funny quality to it (and some really odd stuff in places like an unspoken pay invoices on the 20th of the month rule). Two degrees of separation is the running joke here because just about anyone you hear about has met someone you know. We are doing an increasing amount of overseas work because in many ways it’s just easier, asides from Skyping at odd hours of the day.<p>I’d love for NZ to be the next Tech hub, but I fear the culture just isn’t there yet. It’s easy to start a company here but it’s very hard to locally source materials or tools at anything like competitive prices thanks to the 100% markup almost any importer puts on anything (if you can get it at all). Software at least doesn’t have that barrier, good developers here are generally very busy. That’s good I guess.
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peterburkimsher将近 7 年前
I&#x27;m trying to get a job in New Zealand right now. In 2012 I was there on Working Holiday, and did a summer job writing control systems code for Fisher &amp; Paykel Healthcare in Auckland.<p>By 2014 I&#x27;d visited a few more countries and shortlisted destinations: New Zealand (Skilled Migrant Category), Canada (Express Entry), or Australia (subclass 186).<p>Now I&#x27;m trying to apply, but most listings on Seek require already having the &quot;right to live and work in this location&quot;. I need the job to get the work visa.<p>I sent many applications, without success. I updated my LinkedIn, rewrote my résumé several times based on conflicting advice, and asked a recruiter to help - but still no interviews. I posted several side projects here on Hacker News, but they didn&#x27;t reach the front page. My current contract making microSD cards for OSE in Taiwan lasts until the end of the year, but I can leave earlier.<p>Please contact me if you have any idea about immigration-friendly employers, recruiters, websites - anything helps.
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xupybd将近 7 年前
I’m in New Zealand. My friends are really struggling to get work here. Employers here are really tough on Chinese developers. Immigration is even tougher. I think our government needs to address these issues if we want more skilled workers.
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adventured将近 7 年前
&gt; The government believes that 40% of jobs will go [to AI] within the next ten years. I think its going to be a lot faster than that.<p>It&#x27;s going to be <i>a lot</i> slower than that. Ten years from now AI will barely have made a dent in the existing job market in the developed world. Maybe in 30 years 10-15% of existing jobs will have been replaced by AI. That&#x27;s an optimistic outcome. The AI jobs predictions are hilariously wrong. Ten years is a short amount of time, they have the impact time scale wrong as is typical in tech predictions (making the mistake of shuttling the impact far too close to the present).
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tzfld将近 7 年前
&gt;Two guys in a garage<p>Is this urban legend still taken seriously? I mean, it was a thing 40 years ago, but now there is hardly anyone &quot;with nothing to lose&quot; that can reach anywhere without a good amount of luck.
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HumanDrivenDev将近 7 年前
Shit salaries, overpriced housing, and everything is expensive. Seriously, if you&#x27;re American name me the last thing you just purchased and I can guarantee it will be at least 25% more expensive here, sometimes double.<p>If you&#x27;re an American you&#x27;d be crazy to come here unless you&#x27;ve already made your money.
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utdemir将近 7 年前
One and a half years ago I migrated to New Zealand from Turkey.<p>* It was almost my first time abroad, my English wasn&#x27;t great, and I was new to the culture. However I was amazed that how welcoming and patient people were. I hear the opposite from my friends living in Europe and US.<p>* I found a job while in Turkey, and the company sponsored me for the visa; and since they were an accredited employer the visa process was painless.<p>* Job variety is definitely small. I think it is not that hard to find _a_ job since there&#x27;s usually demand for IT; however they are all pretty similar to each other(big finance&#x2F;telco companies). If you have a specific interest (FP&#x2F;Haskell and smaller companies in my case) it would be hard to find a job you like.<p>* Rent is expensive. Almost every one of my single friends flatshare, but I was able to find a one bedroom flat to live with my partner. I pay about 40% of my salary to the rent.<p>* However I do not think living expenses are too much. Our weekly shopping are usually cheaper compared to Turkey relative to the income. And most of the stuff we like to do for fun is usually cheap or free.<p>* People are nice. The city feels safe. Nature is great, lots of great hikes just an hour drive from the city center.<p>Overall; I can not compare with Europe or US since I&#x27;ve never been there, but I&#x27;m glad I am here now. And moving here was not that hard, so I think it has everything it needs to be a Tech hub, other than momentum.
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johankmagnusson将近 7 年前
Why not reverse the immigration process? Instead of doing tremendous amounts of paper work after which the system takes a guess if you will be able to contribute to the country, run that process backwards instead and lower the threshold for IT professionals to enter NZ significantly and then they get to prove their worth.<p>Start with a very rudimentary initial screening and after say a 2 year trial period have a selection process based on what the person in question has accomplished. That way people get to prove themselves and what the can contribute with instead.<p>If you don&#x27;t contribute, i.e. receive social welfare or similar, you&#x27;re out. If you contribute by performing in the labour market, start an at least moderately successful business or similar you&#x27;re in. I don&#x27;t understand why all immigration systems don&#x27;t work like this...
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chriselles将近 7 年前
I’m in NZ, and involved in the startup community down here.<p>Great people, great vibe.<p>There’s a long history of Innovation down here at the bottom of the planet.<p>The best example is David Downs book “#8 Rewired” which gives examples of great NZ Innovations such as:<p>Disposable hypodermic syringe Manned flight(disputed) Jet boat Nanotube Freeze dried coffee(sorry) DNA discovery Splitting the atom(Rutherford) DNA double helix(Wilkins, the DNA Ringo Starr)<p>Unfortunaly, outside of Xero(Cloud Accounting) there isn’t much of that awesome innovation scaling down here.<p>Discovery yes, scaling not so much.
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Mashimo将近 7 年前
Just today we learned that one of our architects will leave our firm. His old employer made him an offer he can&#x27;t refuse: 1 year oversees deployment in New Zealand with wife and kids. Sounds hella nice to be honest.
gadders将近 7 年前
Lovely place. I just wish they would hurry up and invent those hypersonic jets that people have been promising for 20 years so it was only a 2 hour flight away.
toomanybeersies将近 7 年前
I left New Zealand for Australia about 9 months ago, and have no plans on moving back to NZ for at least half a decade.<p>I love New Zealand and I think it&#x27;s an amazing country. I really miss it, and if I ever had kids, I&#x27;d want to raise them in NZ.<p>But the money and the jobs just aren&#x27;t there.<p>I doubled my wages by moving to Melbourne from Wellington and cost of living is roughly the same. It took me 2 weeks from when I started looking for a job to getting an offer. My salary went from NZ$42k + 3% super and no bonus to AU$75k (NZ$80k) + 9.5% super + bonus. I&#x27;m sure I could&#x27;ve landed a better paying job here too, but I was living off my credit card so I took the first job that gave me an offer.<p>In New Zealand there just weren&#x27;t many options for someone with 2 years of experience. There&#x27;s a chronic shortage of senior positions, but for mid level positions, especially if you don&#x27;t want to work with .NET or Java, there just aren&#x27;t jobs available. There were about 5 open positions nationwide for a Ruby on Rails dev with 2 or 3 years experience when I was looking to move on from my job, before deciding to jump ship to Australia. In Melbourne, there were so many positions I was qualified for that I didn&#x27;t even bother applying for most of them. I had recruiters ringing me every morning with new positions that I was perfectly suited for.<p>If you&#x27;re trying to start a company, don&#x27;t expect a lot of investment. Most startups in NZ bootstrap or get investment from family and friends. There just isn&#x27;t a culture of venture capital in NZ. It seems like a very normal trajectory for an NZ tech startup is to get enough funding and growth that they can migrate to California. Xero is quite unique in that it stayed in NZ, although it&#x27;s now listed on the Australian Stock Exchange. The lack of investment in startups is a cultural thing I think, and ties right in with tall poppy syndrome: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Tall_poppy_syndrome" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Tall_poppy_syndrome</a>. Our humility is both a source of national pride and also something that holds us back as a country. Of course, not everyone wants to start a unicorn, and that&#x27;s fine, but someone needs to.<p>It does lead to a very different startup culture. There isn&#x27;t that rapid growth in companies that you see in the USA, because there&#x27;s less investment. The startup I worked for had been around for 3 or 4 years and only had 8 employees, the lack of manpower (especially developers) really held the company back. The business idea was solid, we made decent sales, but we were severely undercapitalised. Most startups, due to the investment situation are one or two person shops.<p>The tech startup scene is weird too, at least in Wellington, as it&#x27;s so small. It&#x27;s like this little incestuous community, full of gossip about different people and companies. I actually found it got quite catty at times.<p>It&#x27;s a crying shame that I felt I had to leave (although money was only part of the reason), but like fuck I&#x27;m going to work for $20 an hour when I can jump on a plane and 4 hours later be earning double. NZ is a beautiful country let down by a low wage economy.
pseingatl将近 7 年前
Of course, if you&#x27;re working in New Zealand you&#x27;ll have to obey U.S. laws; the NZ government will violate its own laws to seize your property at the behest of a foreign government without due process of any kind. If you don&#x27;t believe me, ask Kim Dotcom.<p>No thank you.
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