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Why nobody ever wins the car at the mall

1104 点作者 sxv将近 7 年前

49 条评论

lysp将近 7 年前
About 30 years ago in Australia There was a competition at the local shopping centre. Spend $20 at any shop in the centre, show your receipt and you get a chance to win the displayed car.<p>The chance involved folding a paper plane, and then trying to get it into the car through the sunroof. Which was only open a small crack.<p>A friend of the family tried about 5 times over the day and never got close.<p>They came back quite drunk at the end of the day to have one last go. Threw the plane and instead of going over the top of the car, it accidentally slammed directly into the front windscreen. It then rebounded straight up in the air and then dropped straight down through the sunroof.<p>They walked away with the car.
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Animats将近 7 年前
Since this is a California on-site thing, California sweepstakes law applies.[1]<p>- &quot;The exact nature and approximate value of the prizes must be disclosed clearly and conspicuously when they are offered.&quot;<p>- &quot;The law prohibits the company from misrepresenting the odds of receiving any item offered.&quot;<p>- Prohibited: &quot;Failing to award and distribute all prizes of the value and type represented.&quot;<p>Online complaint form here.[2]<p>[1] <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;consumerwiki.dca.ca.gov&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;index.php&#x2F;CONTESTS&#x2F;SWEEPSTAKES&#x2F;GIFTS&#x2F;PRIZES" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;consumerwiki.dca.ca.gov&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;index.php&#x2F;CONTESTS&#x2F;SWEEP...</a> [2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;oag.ca.gov&#x2F;contact&#x2F;consumer-complaint-against-business-or-company" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;oag.ca.gov&#x2F;contact&#x2F;consumer-complaint-against-busine...</a>
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drawkbox将近 7 年前
On the flipside, I worked on promotions game systems in the brand promotions space with instant win and giveaways after the user played a game. If they won we had to contact them to verify and get info to send them the prize.<p>When someone won the prize we had to get the social security number of the person that won for gift tracking as many were over 15k, their contact info and location to send the prize, you&#x27;d be surprised at how many people pass that up or think it is a scam and&#x2F;or never get back. We had to pick the next person if they passed it up or didn&#x27;t get back and sometimes it would go through dozens of people before they would accept it. Lots of game systems, trips and even motorcycles were passed up.<p>I myself would have probably done the same thing, hard to believe you won and if you do win it is hard to not think it is a scam due to systems like mentioned in the article.
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invalidusernam3将近 7 年前
I remember a few years back walking on the beach with my dad and some similar time share scam people asked us if we wanted to enter a competition. We were handed two scratch cards with various prizes; cash, a holiday or the grand prize of a car.<p>Obviously all the scratch cards were winners for the holiday.<p>My dad scratched his card and said &quot;Oh great, I won the car!&quot;<p>The scam guys eyes opened wide and he had a confused look on his face and asked my dad to show him the scratch card. Obviously it was actually for a holiday, but it was great seeing the confusion in the guys face since he knew there was no car.
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analogmemory将近 7 年前
My dad signed up for one of those sweepstakes back in the &#x27;90s. They called and said he won a &quot;prize&quot; but he had to come into view a &quot;presentation&quot;. Went to the &quot;presentation&quot; where they tried to hustle him to signup for a timeshare. He resisted and they gave him the &quot;prize&quot;, which was a knockoff boombox.<p>That boombox is still alive, my mom uses it in the garage when she&#x27;s doing gardening. I&#x27;m pretty sure the company that gave it to us is long gone. Life finds a way?
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MatthewWilkes将近 7 年前
Amusingly, the website this article is hosted in pops up a modal asking you to sign up to a mailing list with a low contrast dismiss button and saying &quot;you can always unsubscribe&quot;. People in glass houses.
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apexalpha将近 7 年前
&gt;The information from these forms is collected en masse, entered into a large database, and delivered directly to the telemarketing company running the promotion (in this case, Great Destinations).<p>Praise be GDPR.
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blowski将近 7 年前
Another shady “competition” is the “complete this form and get a laptop”. Except it’s not just this form, it’s this form, and this form, and this form, and this form... until the user gives up.<p>Each of those forms goes to a sales call list. And when you give up, you’ve already completed half a dozen forms - and you’ve given all that data for free.<p>If somebody does ever complete all of the forms, they get told the laptop is now out of stock - but here’s a free £50 voucher for Amazon.
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dirktheman将近 7 年前
A couple of years ago I had some time to kill in Vegas since i don&#x27;t gamble. I was approached by this timeshare dude who offered me free tickets to the Shark Reef and a $100 gift card for a fancy restaurant. I attended the meeting (free breakfast!), politely declined all offers from a range of salesmen with ever hardening sales tactics and walked out with my vouchers two hours later.<p>That was a good day.
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dvcrn将近 7 年前
My mom participated in one of these drawings at a mall in Germany. A few weeks later we received a call: we got randomly selected for the final 10-20 candidates (can’t remember the exact number) from which 5 will win a car and should come to the main event.<p>At the main event, believe or not, 5 people out of the 10-30 finalists actually won a car! My mom included! Of course they said it’s not the car that was at the mall because that was only for demo, but she received a brand new never used model roughly a month later after filling out the papers and still drives it today :)
throwaway0255将近 7 年前
I used to know someone who worked for one of the companies behind those &quot;We&#x27;ll Fix Your Credit Score, Call Us&quot; and &quot;We&#x27;ll Buy Your House, Call Us&quot; signs on the side of street intersections (among other things), and I asked her to explain to me how those signs could possibly make any money.<p>The way she explained it was (mostly her words), way less than 1% of people are dumb enough to dial the number, but of the people who do call, 100% of them are people who are dumb enough to call.<p>In other words, if the signs appeared more credible, they would be much less effective, because they&#x27;d end up wasting a lot of time screening the calls of people who are unlikely to accept the terms they offer.<p>She also said that scaling up (and going up market) would increase their likelihood of litigation.<p>It seems to me like that&#x27;s what&#x27;s happening with these timeshare seminars. The car isn&#x27;t just there to mislead people about the potential upside of the contest, the car is really there to screen the marketing process for gullible people attracted to large financed purchases.
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threatofrain将近 7 年前
Well I would be for penalizing such businesses. Isn&#x27;t this just bait and switch? Such businesses should have their licenses revoked, as they damage relations for everyone else who wants to use prize incentives. These cheaty businesses also call into question the common person&#x27;s ability to negotiate with fine print -- it&#x27;s just too much.
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ainiriand将近 7 年前
...And there is still people considering the GDPR a bad thing...
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foobar1962将近 7 年前
When I was a kid -- I&#x27;m in Australia -- we&#x27;d regularly get computer line-printed Readers Digest Sweepstakes out of the blue -- we lived in a farm in a rural area and this was the 1960s.<p>The sweepstakes often made claims that &quot;we have invested $1.34 in your name...&quot; It was many years before I realised that they really meant &quot;we have spent $1.34 buying your name and address...&quot;
jetti将近 7 年前
A few years ago my wife got a call about a free cruise but the catch was sitting through the timeshare sales pitch. We had no intention of buying in, especially since we couldn&#x27;t afford it at the time, but we wanted the free cruise (well my wife did, I didn&#x27;t want to go). Well we sat through the horrible sales pitch and then they put us in a room to get the cruise. We sat in the room for maybe 25 minutes before we gave up. Nobody came in to help us in that time. The reason we left wasn&#x27;t because of the wait, I was determined to get that free cruise despite not wanting to be there. The reason was the restrictions behind the cruise. There were tons of blackout dates and you couldn&#x27;t pick the exact date of travel. You picked 3 dates and they would let you know which one. I also believe there was a very short window of when they would notify you that you had the tickets to the cruise. I was starting my career at the time so I didn&#x27;t have the flexibility of just taking a week off at the last minute.
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dluan将近 7 年前
Back in the 90s there was a hilarious trend of winning the car in the mall by being the person to be in the car the longest. This was when SUVs were becoming a really big thing.<p>People were sleeping in the car with 5 other strangers to see who could outlast the others, with only short bathroom breaks allowed.<p>I&#x27;m not really sure what the advertisers&#x2F;dealers won in that exchange.
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ktal将近 7 年前
I saw that very car at that very mall, and the screens were all surrounded by people eagerly entering their info. Don&#x27;t people get enough spam calls and emails to realize why?
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SpaceManiac将近 7 年前
Reminds me a bit of a process I&#x27;ve been wrestling with to redeem a &quot;rebate&quot; (gift card to a chosen retailer from a list) on an online textbook, negotiated between the professor and the textbook company after the semester start. The stakes are a little lower ($15 rather than a car) but the hoops they make you jump through, and the personal information they want, for what is ostensibly your money definitely make it feel just as scammy.
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blancotech将近 7 年前
When I was in middle school, I remember doing a raffle at our local mall for an iPod Mini. My Mom told me to ruffle up the paper before dropping it in because the raffle drawer would feel the rough edges and select that one.<p>We got a call a few weeks later that I won the iPod mini. I still remember my mom driving me to the mall and them handing me the new iPod Mini. That was my peek. I&#x27;ve never won a raffle since.
kumarvvr将近 7 年前
In India, at the entrance of almost every mall, you will find a few people handing you cards to fill-up your name, phone number and email, with the promise of lucky draw gifts.<p>It&#x27;s a way to harvest personal information for mobile phone and email spamming.<p>Yet, so many fall for it. Even modern urban types.
dxxvi将近 7 年前
Once, there was a telemarketer calling me and trying to persuade me to buy a home alarm system. All he wanted is to get my credit card #. I asked him to repeat himself 2-3 times for almost all of his sentences (not all, because that would make him hang up). After about 20 mins, he knew my game and said that I was wasting his time and I was not a good citizen of the U.S. I was sad because somebody said that but the whole conversation was fun :-)
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rubzah将近 7 年前
Why is it always timeshares? What makes them so ideal to sucker people with? I&#x27;ve seen these scams all over the world.
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hemmert将近 7 年前
I once worked as a freelance graphic designer for a company that wanted to give away a car as the first prize in a raffle. All promo material needed to have huge amounts of fineprint, including that the winner - in order to get the car - would have to sign a contract, forcing him to leave the company&#x27;s logo stickers on the car for two years, or pay a penalty of about 20% of the car&#x27;s value.
basicplus2将近 7 年前
Even worse, i followed a lottery for a car to raise money for alzheimers.<p>On the draw date given on the ticket in the newspaper the notice said the draw was delayed to a later date.<p>Dutifully i waited for that date and surprise surprise it was delayed again to another new date.<p>Finally there was simply no notice of the draw being completed in rhe newspaper on the last date specified..
deelowe将近 7 年前
The gift tax section seems out of place. It has nothing to do with the rest of the article.
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willowwillow将近 7 年前
Yeah... When I was in my early 20s I was gullible so I entered into those &quot;contests&quot; a lot - and all that I got was telemarketers and junk mails.
1024core将近 7 年前
&gt; In simple terms: when you enter one of these contests, you’re allowing telemarketers to not only use your data to make robocalls in perpetuity, but sell it and share it with any “subsidiaries” it chooses.<p>They don&#x27;t check if it is <i>you</i> who&#x27;s entering the information. What could go wrong?
Theodores将近 7 年前
The TV giveaways are also a con. You know the deal, you watch the whole show because the competition details will be given at the end. Then the questions are multiple choice and rather easy. For example, where is the final stage of the Tour de France? Option a) Peterborough, option b) Potters Bar, option c) Paris.<p>In this semi-fictional example if you get the answer right then you could get to win a bicycle shaped object that looks like one of the bicycles ridden by one of the top teams.<p>You might not be telemarketed to death in this instance but the text you send will be to one of those premium rate numbers, to cost you £3 or so.<p>This money then goes to pay for the show, if you get 10000 people to text in then that is real money, enough to pay for the interns and rent the camera gear.<p>But it was not always like this. There was a time when the answers were difficult. There was also a time when nobody knew what a search engine was because they had not been invented yet. There was also a time when knowledge might only exist in people&#x27;s heads rather than only online. Questions for TV shows could be difficult and the only way to enter might have been on a postcard where you might also have to enter a &#x27;tie breaker&#x27;, e.g. &#x27;bicycles are best because...&#x27; (complete in less than ten words).<p>The tie breaker might not be there to just pick a winner from those that got the question right, the show might honestly be looking for a slogan and crowdsourcing it was a good way to pick more brains than just the production crew.<p>Furthermore, the result or answer was something of interest to the viewers. You could learn something. General knowledge was a thing back then, not denigrated to &#x27;trivia&#x27; or something you could get by using your favourite search engine. General knowledge had value beyond the pub quiz.<p>In these former times, before &#x27;Who wants to be a millionaire&#x27;, it would have been an insult to the audience to ask a noddy multiple choice question for a competition.<p>Answering would not have been totally beyond the realms of possibility, you might have to go to the local library, dig out Encyclopaedia Britannica and get the answer from there. Or, if you knew your subject, then it might be something you knew. So winning also meant that you did get &#x27;respect&#x27; from your peers and &#x27;the world at large&#x27; for being clever enough to know the answer. Winning might have been more valuable than the prize itself just for the kudos. It wasn&#x27;t as if some computer just selected your name at random in some lottery of other mugs willing to gamble.<p>The funny thing though is how these things go full circle. The TV shows that made the competition into something patronising and lame no longer get viewers, or even interns. That intern can make more success for themselves being a Youtube influencer and doing it all themselves. Rather than make the tea and do the errands for the big fat producer they can do their own script, presentation, camera-work and sound. they can also do their own competitions. And, in their competitions they can give away some respectable loot and get some genuine feedback from their fans. They can also avoid having to fleece their fans of an SMS premium rate call, a like&#x2F;subscribe&#x2F;thumbs-up and comment will be needed though. Even the question can be non-Google-able, fans might know from watching the show what breed of dog their co-presenter owns, so that could be a good quiz question. There need not be any bait-and-switch and the car given away really can be an actual car that actually gets given away.
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seymour333将近 7 年前
I worked in one of these call centers just after high-school. Not even a molecule of ethics existed in the entire company. My job involved getting yelled at by people who were sick of getting calls from dozens of different companies, and occasionally talking with someone gullible enough to come in for a sales meeting, who would then yell at everyone involved once they discovered they had been duped.<p>I can&#x27;t remember exactly, but I think I eventually got fired because I started to deviate from the script. Sometimes being honest with people, and sometimes trolling angry people. It was a horrible job.
erikb将近 7 年前
The really disappointing part here is that many, many more things are like this. E.g. raises and promotions. Nowadays a lot of companies can&#x27;t afford these any more. But still on paper they offer these opportunities and even really give promotions to 1-2 people of multiple dozens or hundreds, so that you feel shitty about not getting one. Or dating websites that give unattractive people hope that they can find a (-n attractive) partner if they fill out 2 hours worth of forms and let the inputs run through an algorithm.<p>The best selling product is unrealistic hope.
theshadowknows将近 7 年前
This sort of thing and the sorts of things Facebook and other companies do really gives CRM and marketing a poor name. My team and I work in technical CRM and we do what we can to give our customers actual relevant advertisements. We also willingly collect only relevant data, don’t store it indefinitely, and never purchase data. The social team gets cranky with us but we have a core set of values that we don’t compromise even when upper management gets pushy.
mleonhard将近 7 年前
Is this article a very clever Facebook submarine marketing ad? It ends with a false statement about Facebook providing instructions to delete data. I live in USA and can&#x27;t find any way to delete my browsing history that Facebook collected via the Like button.<p><a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.paulgraham.com&#x2F;submarine.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.paulgraham.com&#x2F;submarine.html</a>
tlynchpin将近 7 年前
My grandfather won a Cadillac, it was the 60&#x27;s in San Francisco, and Regal gas stations ran a contest, grand prize a shiny new Cadillac. The details are lost, but as far as my dad knows it was a plain enter-to-win raffle, and his dad won! Comin up slammin Cadillac doors, but they &quot;weren&#x27;t really a Cadillac family&quot; so they sold it.
exabrial将近 7 年前
It really bothers me that people completely lack any sort of moral fortitude they think overtly lying and deceiving people is &quot;ok&quot;. The fact is, everyone from the dealership to the call center employee knows whats going on and is a willing participant in this scam.
svilen_dobrev将近 7 年前
pff, there was some movie long ago, some technician was installing a few 1-armed-bandits in some pub, and asked the owner - should they give 1 win per 100, or 1 per 1000 ? And the owner answered: What? 1 per 1000? We&#x27;re not a charity here, there must be zero wins!
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neya将近 7 年前
The article mentions about GDPR, but I thought GDPR was mostly for online businesses? How would GDPR affect an offline telemarketing company like this one where almost all of your info are collected and processed to the fullest possible unethical extent?
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jcelerier将近 7 年前
I&#x27;ve got a friend who actually won the car in the mall once. Not US though.
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ryen将近 7 年前
And what happens after I read...<p>&gt;What happens when your personal information gets sucked into an endless marketing vortex?<p>... i&#x27;m prompted with a popup to enter my email address for a marketing newsletter..
ddgflorida将近 7 年前
Reminds me of the &quot;Toy Yoda&quot; lawsuit back in 2002 when a lady thought she won a Toyota but instead got a yoda toy.
ibdf将近 7 年前
I always thought there was a winner but assumed the winner was someone related (family&#x2F;friend) to the prize giver.
SubiculumCode将近 7 年前
I heard a commercial advertising lawyers specializing in getting people out of timeshares. Now I know why.
leoh将近 7 年前
Arguably this is an allegory for so many things in the world
8bitsrule将近 7 年前
Hey, it works for Facebook.
sirable将近 7 年前
The boiler room tactics seem similar to Trump University. I believe that was primarily targeted at retired people though.<p><i>edit</i> in this case they had opportunity to meet Trump, which apparently never happened
fwdpropaganda将近 7 年前
&gt; In the course of an hour on a Wednesday afternoon, 22 hopefuls fill out the digital form.<p>Lets take this hour to be an average hour. Over 12 hours in a day that the mall is presumably open, that&#x27;s 22*12 = 264 leads.<p>&gt; the mall isn’t behind these giveaways; they merely rent out the advertising space (for around $1.5k per day).<p>This would imply that these leads need to be worth at least $1500&#x2F;264 = $5.68 per lead. Does this look like too much to anyone else? I would have guessed that independently of what they&#x27;re selling, the conversion rate has to be attrocious, as people signed-up not because of their interest for the thing being sold but because they wanted a free car.<p>Maybe the reason why this works is that people who are stupid enough to give out their names on a mall promotion, are probably also easy to push shit on.<p>EDIT: I forgot to add at least two other costs: they need to lease the car, and they need to pay employees to keep an eye on everything. So that figure is more of a lower bound.
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mlthoughts2018将近 7 年前
It also reminds me of loyalty programs at department stores. I get so tired of the disgusted look on the face of the cashier when they ask me if I want to sign up for some clothing store loyalty card today to save 40% or something. They can’t believe that the 40% discount on $50 isn’t enticing to yoke myself to their stream of ads and even more intense data sharing than whatever they are already getting from plain transactions.
casabarata将近 7 年前
I wonder how this can be legal. I’ve seen the “free vacation” scams inside malls and it’s really disturbing to see their practices
megamindbrian2将近 7 年前
Same goes for the fishbowl of business cards at restaurants.
onewhonknocks将近 7 年前
TANSTAAFL.