If your CV only contains jQuery…

24 点作者 ayende将近 7 年前

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FLUX-YOU将近 7 年前

What the fuck.React/Angular is not that complicated to get started with. You can just teach them on the job and have an opportunity to teach them correctly. These frameworks aren't some high arcana that you need to take a sabbatical from the world and isolate yourself on a mountain village to learn.I dove in and did reasonably well coming from exactly this person's background with no prior experience except for tutorials.You basically responded with "We can't afford a single week and a pluralsight subscription".>It indicates a lot about the candidate, including the ability to learn and develop oneself on your own.Oh nice, let's just ignore 4 years of university + X years at the first job because that certainly indicates nothing about someone's learning and development.Many compsci professors will be sad to learn that Github replaces their entire usefulness to society.

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bionoid将近 7 年前

> but I’m certain that they will be able to find another position in a company where their jQuery skills will be very valuable. However, I don’t expect that they’ll learn anything new in that place, and in 3 years or so, if they will be looking for a new job, they will be in the same exact same place.As opposed to React or any other modern web stuff. Those skills will last a lifetime.

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ransom1538将近 7 年前

"It appears that the first job the candidate had after university was maintaining and building an already existing application. "First. This is the most difficult software to work on. Something already created, in production, you must learn what 'they were thinking', make modifications AND not creating side effects. Anyone, can take on a new project, google, and pick React. This statement shows a complete lack in software design experience.Next. Maybe the person was working at a startup and the startup was stretched for cash. Maybe this person really believed in the idea and was trying to help the company survive and thrive. Rewriting everything from scratch is the worst thing you can do [documented by people with much more credibility [1]] -- so maybe this person put the company first and worked late nights finishing features.Some people do not follow RBF software design principles [Resume build first]. But oh well, you learned React at some point through a web video, so you are much more valuable employee: bullshit. I hope the person the OP hires, wastes work hours convincing others to convert everything to 'vue.js' and digs into why React was a bad choice.[1] <a href="https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2000/04/06/things-you-should-never-do-part-i/" rel="nofollow">https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2000/04/06/things-you-should-...</a>

jquast将近 7 年前

If the candidate's name were posted, this would be public shaming, plain and simple. If I were the applicant, heard nothing back, and read this blog post about my resume, I would be very emotionally upset.It's hard enough to look for a job...

_wmd将近 7 年前

This reads more like a no-hire report for @ayande than whoever they were interviewing. Turning a bunch of confidential interview notes into an article basically about yourself.. whoa.The only meaningful tidbit is buried at the end: of course it's important to demonstrate a willingness to learn, and many people fail to demonstrate that time and time again.

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kerng将近 7 年前

Wow, what kind of public shaming is going on here. I doubt the candidate would even wanna work for this company - if that post reflects how they treat and talk about folks internally, the candidate dodged a bullet.

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candu将近 7 年前

Shaming applicants publicly on your blog - not classy. I've no doubt this will deter many otherwise skilled candidates from ever applying to work with you, and it opens you to potential liability besides. (If you don't understand this last part: stop hiring immediately until you do.)So here's some free advice: don't talk about individual candidates publicly, not even anonymously, and especially not in such a negative way. It's in extremely bad taste, and you have nothing whatsoever to gain from it.

mariusmg将近 7 年前

Really ? So if you don't know React your entire client side knowledge is automatically useless ? What kind thinking is this ?Those guys must hire by keywords.

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Keyframe将近 7 年前

Albeit a bit strange, it's still ignoring the fact that jQuery is good enough for most of things people do anyways.

eksemplar将近 7 年前

I don’t understand this article, the author is public shaming people, but doesn’t him/herself seem to understand what a full stack developer is.Also, if he does html, css, jquery and ajax and you’d be ok with hiring an angular dev... then why not hire the guy who actually knows JavaScript?

dictum将近 7 年前

> I mean, <table> is still how you properly layout things today, as far as I’m concerned. However, in a rare moment of self reflection, I have to admit that I wouldn’t hire myself to do anything related to the browser.Extend the moment of self-reflection and ask yourself if you're in a position to give out advice on hiring others.(For candidates, the implied advice — latch on to buzzwords and be insincere about your actual knowledge — is unfortunately effective in many places, of course.)

quantumhobbit将近 7 年前

This is stupid. If you are a react shop and you would have been ok to see some Angular on the CV, then you are clearly expecting the new hire to do some learning on the job. Why not try to figure out if this candidate is up to the task of learning your framework?Also I tend not to put technologies on my CV unless I have done something more substantial than online classes and tutorials. I don’t want to have to answer an interview question about “what’s your experience with Foo?” with “oh just some tutorials...” . That would cast doubt on the rest of my experience. Ask the candidate if they have experience in any frameworks and they might surprise you and say that they have been learning one in their spare time.

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alexanderdmitri将近 7 年前

I think jQuery gets a bad name because of it's historical context. Newer devs in the field view it as outdated and seasoned devs have seen the mess it can lead to when just sprinkled in here and there for this and that reason; and as frontend work became increasingly more programmatic and complex, this sort of approach becomes pretty hard to maintain.Because frameworks/libraries like Angular and React were largely adopted due to this issue, people who have had success with them (or just need to justify the switch), have come to see these as part of the solution and jQuery as part of the problem.If you're an interviewer who only sees jQuery on an application, you can use this as a chance to get to see what the candidate thinks about the evolution of web development. See if they can have a reasonable discussion about trade-offs made on choosing one over the other. This will expose their critical thinking skills and values as a developer and you may even get a new perspective yourself. To be honest, I'd rather work with someone who could have this discussion rather than just blindly adopt what everyone else is using ... well ... just because.

severino将近 7 年前

I'd never turn an application down automatically just because the candidate didn't list the javascript framework of the month in their CV.In my job -where I'm not in HR- I've seen plenty of candidates with hundreds of skills listed in their LinkedIn profile, only to find out later, when they were hired, their complete lack of understanding of the most basic principles related to the field we're working on.

pixelmonkey将近 7 年前

The only thing I could think about when I read this post was this classic tweet:<a href="https://twitter.com/wesbos/status/598144948559605760" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/wesbos/status/598144948559605760</a>

LoSboccacc将近 7 年前

this article contains all that's wrong with the current hiring managers condensed, except unironically.from the elitist attitude who jumped the fence off development and pretends to measure a cv with, by his own admission, outdated knowledgethen there's the shaming of a guy that's just entered the workforce (because three years are very little all considered, whatever the ba tries to make you believe) for not being skilled enough in more than the basics, pretending someone to have experience in dozen advanced frameworks even if it's likely to be out of place for a junior to start working react/angular off the bat.there's that shitty management attitude too of "we don't train people here only leverage existing knowledge" which smells of a very very bad workplace environment to be, sold as if it were a plusand the icing on the cake: "I would expect the candidate at this point to actively work at improving their skills." - jesus, you can feel the privilege oozing out of the paragraphs.

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woranl将近 7 年前

This is bullshit. Hiring by keywords and hype? How about actually ship software that actually works. Unbelievable. <a href="http://mir.aculo.us/2015/08/25/how-to-actually-ship-software-that-actually-works/" rel="nofollow">http://mir.aculo.us/2015/08/25/how-to-actually-ship-software...</a>

gorbachev将近 7 年前

The article describes the perfect recipe for hiring the same type of a person for every open role.

Kenji将近 7 年前

With the mentioned tools, you can build a fantastic and bloat-less website. Like HackerNews. The person who sent that CV could build the HackerNews frontend.It all depends on what your goals are: Do you want a modern, bloated, ugly, generic, JavaScript framework heavy site or do you want to put actual content out there in a beautiful, professional and minimalist manner? Your choice.

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