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The Ambien Diaries

117 点作者 gpresot将近 7 年前

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bxtt将近 7 年前
I&#x27;ve been taking Ambien on and off for the past 8 years. Stretches where I&#x27;ve taken Ambien for a consecutive year.<p>I&#x27;ve done exactly what the author talks about: write long incoherent but beautifully written poetry, dive deep into studies and journals about the most random subjects, and have auditory hallucinations. But, what she doesn&#x27;t talk about is the horror stories that come with it.<p>I&#x27;ve destroyed countless relationships. I&#x27;ve had friends that refuse to pick up any of my calls after 12am. I&#x27;ve crashed my car into a tree because of sleep eating. I&#x27;ve withdrawn from the medication, and don&#x27;t sleep for 3-4 days. I&#x27;ve taken Ambien, then drank an entire bottle of wine, and the next morning to find out that I took 6 more Ambiens. I should be dead.<p>If you haven&#x27;t taken Ambien in the past, and are interested, I would just avoid it at all costs.
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Jtsummers将近 7 年前
I took ambien for a few weeks in grad school. I had to stop.<p>1) They say it&#x27;s not habit forming. That may be true. But I intended to take it during the week, when I needed it most. On the weekends I wanted to stay up a bit later (not crazy, midnight versus 10pm. However, if I didn&#x27;t take the ambien by 10:30pm I&#x27;d start to get a vicious migraine, that first weekend without it was miserable. I took it for a couple more weeks but the same thing happened each weekend.<p>2) About half the time it had no impact on me. I was wide awake and concious the entire night. Not able to focus well (entirely unproductive), but awake. I&#x27;d even eliminated caffeine by this point in an earlier (and ongoing) effort to counter my insomnia. But if I took it at 10 and hadn&#x27;t fallen asleep by 11, I knew I&#x27;d be up until the next night.<p>3) When I did &quot;sleep&quot;, there was a 50&#x2F;50 chance I&#x27;d wake up with abs that felt like I&#x27;d been doing crunches all night long. I don&#x27;t know what I was doing. I felt rested, but man was I sore.<p>I continued therapy and quit grad school in efforts to deal with my anxiety, and only after that was my insomnia properly dealt with. Which is a reminder, treat the condition not the symptoms.
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justinator将近 7 年前
I&#x27;ve had good friends commit suicide while there was Ambien in their system.<p>Not a drug I would take recreationaly, or with a prescription.<p>In fact, if they would like to remove it from the market, I would be in support.
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jlmorton将近 7 年前
&gt; It was in 2005, my freshman year of college, that I took my first Ambien.<p>&gt; These were the frontier days of the internet<p>I&#x27;m not sure 2005 qualifies as the frontier days of the Internet.
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Zimahl将近 7 年前
Ambien is serious stuff. It works and people take it because some sleep is better than no sleep but a large subset of them have serious side effects. I&#x27;m not talking about the litany of &#x27;standard&#x27; side effects you hear in RX commericals, I&#x27;m talking about weird shit. Black outs, sleep sex, voices, hallucinations, etc, it&#x27;s not something to be trifled with. I&#x27;m terribly surprised it isn&#x27;t more regulated than it is.
ljw1001将近 7 年前
I was on ambien for several years. Over time I developed sleep walking, cooking etc. I once needed stitches after walking into a book case. Another time I mistakingly took my ambien I the morning instead of a different medicine. Passed out behind the wheel on a major highway.<p>My sleeping was never good even on it. I switched to neurontin for RLS and some CBTI for getting to sleep. The combination has been far more helpful for me than ambien, and without side effects.
jdpigeon将近 7 年前
I wrote an assignment in my undergrad neuropsychopharmacology course that the hallucinations and abnormal behaviour ambien causes might be due to a similar mechanism of action as ketamine. I was almost entirely going off my own recreational experiences, but I think I managed to find some paper linking GABA-A antagonism to NMDAR glycine binding.<p>Also, because someone hasn&#x27;t shared it yet, the Ambien Walrus: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;ambien.blogspot.com&#x2F;2010&#x2F;12&#x2F;ambien-walrus-collection.html" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;ambien.blogspot.com&#x2F;2010&#x2F;12&#x2F;ambien-walrus-collection....</a>
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mawburn将近 7 年前
I kind of knew that people took Ambien for recreational use, but for the life of me I can&#x27;t see why. The thing I hated the most about it was that I acted completely blackout drunk, but I felt perfectly normal and in control. Only to wake up the next day embarrassed about what kind of rediculous things I did or said online.<p>I can&#x27;t see why anyone would want to do that intentionally. After it stops being able to put you to sleep, it is just a burden.
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pseingatl将近 7 年前
Ambien is an incredibly dangerous drug. Look up &quot;Ambien Zombies.&quot; The stories are incredible: the criminal justice system can&#x27;t handle sleep walking, sleep driving and sleep murder. In its more benign form, the zombification can lead to binge eating. If you wake up and the family pet is missing and there&#x27;s a bloody mess in the kitchen, you know what happened. Look up the case of Tom Tuduj, though he is but one of many. Tom killed Gary Poter, who was a developer linked to Barack Obama through Tony Rezko, a Chicago-area fundraiser. There are many other, horrible cases. Stay away from Ambien.
bitexploder将近 7 年前
Sleep is a fickle thing. I think some sleep habits are programmed into us when we are young (theory based on anecdotal observation with my kids and talking with others over the years). That said, having a shut down process and consistent schedule is really important. Getting rid of blue light, not eating several hours before bed, relaxing with less stimulatong activity, taking some Melatonin. Melatonin is not habit forming really works well for most people based on sleep studies. You still need the shutdown process, and then Melatonin boosts you into a sleep state. Excercising is also important for setting up good sleep. I think this is all most people need to do if they just have minor trouble falling asleep. Moderate to severe sleep issues can be symptoms of something else.
dreamcompiler将近 7 年前
All this talk about how horrible Ambien is and how it should be banned, and yet no discussion of dosage? Ambien effects are <i>extremely</i> dose-sensitive. I&#x27;ve taken it for years to help me sleep and have never had an unpleasant experience or amnesia. That&#x27;s probably because I&#x27;ve never taken more than 5 mg; usually 3 mg is enough.<p>10 mg for an average-sized adult is edging into the danger zone, and at 20 mg you&#x27;d better have somebody sober in the house to take away your car keys.<p>I suspect that in many cases doctors are simply prescribing doses that are too large.
howard941将近 7 年前
My physician won&#x27;t prescribe these to me; I&#x27;ve asked a number of times. In lieu of the Z drug [1] I was given a prescription for temazepam [0]. At first temazepam was great but lost effectiveness after a few weeks and made me feel anxious the morning after.<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Temazepam" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Temazepam</a> [1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tuck.com&#x2F;z-drugs-nonbenzodiazepines&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.tuck.com&#x2F;z-drugs-nonbenzodiazepines&#x2F;</a>
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limeblack将近 7 年前
I really like sleep and I have been on Ambien and Seroquel(off label) for sleep. At first it helped but if you really really like sleep I say the withdrawal is not worth the benefit of the extra sleep. Coming off them I didn&#x27;t sleep for several days and my sleep schedule became really screwed up. I am still on something for sleep for this reason. Some studies show you go insane after 3-4 days of no sleep. I can confirm it definitely feels like that. If you plan to take it for life I guess but withdrawals can be miserable.
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mgkimsal将近 7 年前
My wife takes it... not regularly, but perhaps 5-6 times per year, to deal with sleep issues. From what I can tell, there&#x27;s no real side effects for her - she gets a decent sleep, and is refreshed. I took it 2x about 10 years ago - first time was... a bit spaced out after I woke up. Second time a few nights later I had probably the most horrific nightmare I&#x27;d ever had. Never touched it again.
thanatropism将近 7 年前
Long-term user of benzos who never took Ambien here: the way people describe it, Ambien is <i>dangerous</i>. Long half-life benzos like Klonopin and Valium are <i>not</i>.<p>I only had a mild hazy kick the first two times I took Klonopin (and I was starting on two or three other meds at once); since then, I&#x27;ve used anything from 4mg to .25mg and never had trouble titrating either up or down. I don&#x27;t have much of an anxiety problem if I skip my Klonopin altogether (it destabilizes my manic-depression, for which I&#x27;m stuffed with medications but titrate Klonopin for marginal effect; but nothing <i>the day</i> I stop Klonopin, only if I&#x27;m at ~2mg and skip it for a day.<p>The literature is slowly catching up too. A while ago there was a full moral panic about benzodiazepines, but I feel like this is part of the full moral panic about psych drugs (some of which is justified, because people (and sometimes unethical docs) are looking for answers in drugs that often aren&#x27;t there.)
yawaramin将近 7 年前
I&#x27;ve never taken Ambien, but I have heard the voices the author describes. I think they&#x27;re fairly normal while falling asleep–they&#x27;re called hypnagogic auditory hallucinations: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;patient.info&#x2F;doctor&#x2F;hypnagogic-hallucinations" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;patient.info&#x2F;doctor&#x2F;hypnagogic-hallucinations</a><p>&gt; Auditory hallucinations are common but other senses are seldom involved. Auditory hallucinations can range from a few sounds to an elaborate melody. Threats or criticism are also reported.<p>In my case, sometimes it&#x27;s music (usually quite beautiful, and forgotten the next morning) and sometimes like a news broadcaster conveying quite a lot of information (again, quite forgotten the next day).
googlemike将近 7 年前
I watched one of my (former) best friends, after Rowing practice at a top notch Ivy League school, take Ambien recreationally. It was terrifying to witness. He was someone else entirely, rambling, yelling, looking through me. I got the hell out of there.
cik2e将近 7 年前
It just made me sleep, which is what I had it for to begin with. Tried to use it recreationally once and ended up falling asleep at a concert. I&#x27;ll stick with the intended usage.
sizzle将近 7 年前
Question to the insomniacs in this thread:<p>Have you tried meditation&#x2F; mindfulness? Curious if clearing your mind and relaxation techniques would allow you to combat the anxiety of being worried of not falling asleep that causes you to not sleep properly? If not, why haven&#x27;t you tried it?
librarianscott将近 7 年前
It just helps me fall asleep and stay asleep. Never had any issues unlike with melatonin, Benadryl, etc.
pdfernhout将近 7 年前
Matthew Walker, a sleep expert, says sleep aids like Ambien are counter-productive. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.drugrehab.com&#x2F;addiction&#x2F;prescription-drugs&#x2F;ambien&#x2F;sleeping-without-ambien&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.drugrehab.com&#x2F;addiction&#x2F;prescription-drugs&#x2F;ambie...</a> &quot;Dangers aside, Ambien and other hypnotics don’t necessarily provide you the kind of sleep your body actually needs. In his book, “Why We Sleep,” Matthew Walker, director of the Center for Human Sleep Science at the University of California, Berkeley, argues that the sleep people get from taking hypnotics doesn’t have the same restorative quality as natural sleep. In an interview with New York Magazine, Walker explains that drugs like Ambien simply “switch off the top of your cortex, the top of your brain, and put you into a state of unconsciousness.” The drugs actually sedate you, he says, and “sedation is not sleep.” The good news for those who desperately crave sleep is that a variety of techniques and methods can help you achieve a blissful state of slumber without prescription medications. Here’s a look at some good ways to reboot your sleep cycle. ...&quot;<p>Discussed at length in his book: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.goodreads.com&#x2F;book&#x2F;show&#x2F;34466963-why-we-sleep" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.goodreads.com&#x2F;book&#x2F;show&#x2F;34466963-why-we-sleep</a><p>Also mentioned in this review: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theatlantic.com&#x2F;health&#x2F;archive&#x2F;2017&#x2F;10&#x2F;better-than-ambien&#x2F;543771&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.theatlantic.com&#x2F;health&#x2F;archive&#x2F;2017&#x2F;10&#x2F;better-th...</a> &quot;At last comes an explanation: According to the new book Why We Sleep, by Matthew Walker, the director of the Sleep and Neuroimaging Lab at the University of California, Berkeley, the sleep people get on sleeping pills like Ambien is not true sleep. Drugs like these simply “switch off the top of your cortex, the top of your brain,” he explained to New York Magazine, “and put you into a state of unconsciousness.” That’s not sleep; that’s cryogenics. According to Walker, sleeping-pill sleep doesn’t have the same restorative powers—and there are lots, from an immune boost to emotional resilience—as good, old-fashioned zzzzs. Sleeping pills don’t even seem to work all that well. It’s true that some people say they fall asleep faster and sleep better on pills. But, as Walker writes, there’s little difference between the amount of time it takes someone to fall asleep with the help of a pill, compared to a placebo. Even a newer drug, suvorexant, only helps people fall asleep four to eight minutes faster, according to one study he describes. In addition to causing daytime grogginess, Walker argues, Ambien impairs memory and increases the risk of cancer and death. “Do you feel differently about using or continuing to use sleeping pills having learned about this evidence?” he asks the reader. This reporter does. Luckily, there is a better way. Walker recommends something known as CBT-I, or cognitive behavioral therapy for insomnia. A major part of it is proper “sleep hygiene”—well-known advice like keeping the bedroom dark and cold, using your frigid cave-bed only for sleep and sex, and turning off anything that emits light a few hours before bed. ...&quot;<p>Note that, as Walker explains in this interview with Joe Rogan, if you are not dreaming at night due to alcohol or drugs, your brain may start making you dream when you are awake, leading to hallucinations. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=pwaWilO_Pig&amp;feature=youtu.be&amp;t=402" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=pwaWilO_Pig&amp;feature=youtu.be...</a>
notadoc将近 7 年前
Abusing sleeping pills is a great way to make it very difficult for people who actually need sleeping pills to not be able to get sleeping pills. This applies equally to many other medications too, including the freshly politically demonized effective pain relievers at the heart of the latest media driven moral panic. It only takes a few fools to ruin something for the responsible majority.
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