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Pop_OS 18.04: the state of the art in GNU/Linux on desktop

83 点作者 jgalvez将近 7 年前

24 条评论

mastazi将近 7 年前
&gt; Having multiple monitors doesn’t remove the need to know which app you’re in or to perform actions specific to that app. Just like the Activities button, the App Menu resides at a known location on your primary monitor and serves a crucial role as a landmark.<p>I have to strongly disagree on this one. Having my window open in my 3rd monitor - and having to go back to the 1st monitor every time I have to use a menu item - seems like a kafkaesque nightmare to me.
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Vinnl将近 7 年前
It&#x27;s odd that the author is an interaction designer, but goes on such a rant about keeping a feature that proved to work badly when tested on actual users. I&#x27;d say actual testing should trump whatever intuition you have about what works well.<p>Sure, he theorises that the reason is doesn&#x27;t work for users is because it hasn&#x27;t been implemented properly everywhere (which the GNOME developers also state), but &quot;we should expend effort on getting third parties to adhere to the HIG&quot; is a classic cop-out: &quot;things would be better if we would just do them better&quot;.<p>Sure, if you can show that the reason third parties do not adhere to the HIG is lack of effort from the team, and you have reason to believe that there is a way to increase the amount of effort spent on that other than saying &quot;just do it&quot;, then by all means, go for it. But if that&#x27;s not the case, the only valid conclusion is that the desired state might not be possible, and removing such a feature is the only proper course of action.
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KaiserPro将近 7 年前
Hmm, I&#x27;m less convinced about gnome3. I&#x27;ve given it a number of goes, it shows promise, but is not there yet.<p>1) its too godamn slow. I have 32 cores, 64 gigs of ram and a massive graphics card, yet draging windows about has lag, pressing the meta key has lag. Its just not fast like mate or lxde.<p>2) shortcuts are hard. I have a number of shortcuts for my most often used things, and they are always clickable, no matter what. Gnome 3&#x27;s favorites are _almost_ the same, but its much harder to create custom entries (if its not in the applications list you&#x27;re out of luck)
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g5095将近 7 年前
This started out as an overview of a new desktop bundle and quickly turned into a rant about why gnome shouldn&#x27;t change your favorite feature..
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DrBazza将近 7 年前
Window title bar heights are awful. Title bars at the best of times are just a useful thing to grab with the mouse pointer to move the window around, but they don&#x27;t have to be about twice the size of those in Windows and MacOS.<p>If anything, on Windows the trend is to use the redundant window space to add more information.<p>I&#x27;ve never quite understood this decision on Linux. If anything it seems a little contrary to linux usage.
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jonathanyc将近 7 年前
What the heck? 90% of the article is just ranting about a Gnome feature; I still have no idea about why Pop_OS is the “state of the art” because the author literally did not provide any commentary on what makes it unique except for a brief mention of it curating various things.<p>This is bad writing.
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alanfranzoni将近 7 年前
The idea that Linux needs consistency is correct,albeit difficult to achieve. I doubt pop os will make 2018 the year of the linux desktop. Making every app conform to the gnome guidelines on an underdog desktop platform where many interesting software is just crossplatform (java apps, electron apps, browsers) and do not have an interest in a specific toolkit.. is quite a dream.
taohansen将近 7 年前
I don&#x27;t know why the article didn&#x27;t mention the most prominent technical features of Pop!_OS that propels it beyond being a mere copycat.<p>* HiDPI Daemon: They wrote this themselves and what it does is if you have mixed DPI monitors, it auto-detects and conforms them to the lowest common denominator. Wayland does this by default but support for Nvidia isn&#x27;t there yet and applications like Firefox don&#x27;t reconform between monitors.<p>* Systemd-boot. GRUB is the past. Systemd-boot is life. Faster startup to desktop.<p>* Do Not Disturb and performance profile picker from the menu bar.<p>* Dat installer. They collaborated with Elementary OS&#x27; Daniel Foré on this. It&#x27;s polished, easy for anyone to grok, offers simple full-disk encryption, and and creates a recovery partition in case you hose your install.<p>System76 has really thought through these usability improvements to bring us a desktop that anyone can use and encourages security out of the gate.
LeoPanthera将近 7 年前
This is surely just an ad. The sheer amount of superlative breathless enthusiasm is overwhelming.
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flukus将近 7 年前
Have they patched the Web application to work with dark themes properly? I tried using it but every textbox imports the background color from the desktop theme (good) but it uses the page assigned text color, which is nearly always black, so you end up with every textbox having black text on a black background, making it unusable.<p>Firefox has this behavior now too.
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slededit将近 7 年前
I know its petty, but that colon in the clock on the main image really bothers me. Its way too chunky compared to the numerals.
alias_neo将近 7 年前
I too have to disagree with the author based on my experience. I use Gnome 3 at work, every day, and both my home computers are on Gnome 3. I use the Pop Gnome theme from the very people the article talks about (System 76), it&#x27;s a beautiful theme and can be installed on Ubuntu using their PPA.<p>Anyway, At home I also use 3 monitors on my desktop. Lets say I have a &quot;normal&quot; sized terminal open on my right hand of 3 monitors. It&#x27;s on the right one because my IDE or such is sitting in front of me on the centre monitor and as a lefty I tend to &quot;prefer&quot; the right to the left as I sit looking at my PC. I&#x27;m sitting with my chair shimmied to the right of my desk because these monitors are 28&quot; each and I decide to move closer to that window to see what&#x27;s going on because they&#x27;re 4K monitors and the text isn&#x27;t huge. I&#x27;m physically about ~4 feet away at the extreme in terms of mouse movement, from that app menu on the top left of my left monitor.<p>As someone who tends to fill all of this screen space flatly with tiled windows as opposed to stacking and switching them, all I want is for every menu for every window to be directly attached to that window, because the &quot;landmark&quot; for me is the window itself.<p>Having to move my mouse, 4 feet across displays to get to a menu for a small window I have open and happen to be working on at that point in nonsensical.<p>I might have 16 terminals tiled across that display, if I want to interact with a specific one, lets say to change the background colour for identification or something, the first place I&#x27;m going is to the window itself.<p>My solution, is that by using Gnome Tweak Tool, I have the button on the title bar of the window instead of in the panel.
hadtocreateanew将近 7 年前
I switch between Manjaro with Gnome3 on my laptop and Mint with Cinnamon on my Desktop. When i use gnome it annoys me regularly with things like:<p>If i want to open a file in a different program than the default i have to open another menu instead of immediately being shown the other programs being associated with that filetype.<p>Just connecting to wireless took me approximately 10 Minutes.<p>Hiding the topbar automatically to maximize the screenestate on my 13&quot; screen is not possible without installing an extension, which last time i looked was not ready for 3.28 and could crash the session if badly written.<p>This guy talks about how important this Appmenu is, which rarely contains useful options if any.<p>He claims he tried Linux Mint, but for me Cinnamon is far ahead in usability. The Mint devs actually listen to their users and work on solving their problems.
nkkollaw将近 7 年前
I&#x27;ve tried Pop OS, but it seems little more than a GNOME theme to me.<p>I also don&#x27;t understand why they didn&#x27;t pick (or better yet fork) elementary OS, which is the only good-looking Linux distro that has a different enough vision to justify the duplicate effort to create another distro.<p>Personally, I think that GNOME is completely unusable. Pop OS is too close to GNOME. elementary looks great but its minimalism is similar to that of recent Apple--where so many features are removed that the app stops being useful, and huge compromises are made just so the thing looks good, ignoring that it has a purpose.<p>I&#x27;m using an heavily-modified Xfce install and I can actually manage to be productive.
smilesnd将近 7 年前
I don&#x27;t think this really qualifies as a new disto. Maybe should have been named Pobuntu so people would know what they are getting. Wish a desktop focus disto would come out that would make it so people didn&#x27;t have to feel like sysadmins to use a linux box. Simpler to toss some new paint on someone else work, and call it their own I suppose. I am going to hard pass on this one though stick to my lxde since it does everything I need. Plus I spend 90% of my time in a terminal so icons don&#x27;t mean much to me.
agorabinary将近 7 年前
Some interesting points here regarding design improvements to bring us a more mainstream Linux desktop, but what about price point as well? I just configured a System76 Gazelle laptop with the same specs (albeit newer cpu, but moore&#x27;s law) as my 2 year old ideapad and it&#x27;s $400 more than what I paid back then.. AND no gpu either. :&#x2F;
SZJX将近 7 年前
Reads a lot like an ad. So far nothing beats my experience with i3wm on Arch Linux. I can hardly imagine going for any other system setup after trying this combination out. Well, maybe another even better window manager, but definitely not any non-wm UI, which will only be clumsy and horribly get into my way.
honkycat将近 7 年前
I have a System76 Galago Pro, and I&#x27;m a big fan!<p>It&#x27;s been a joy to use, and fits my use case well.<p>It has rather terrible battery life, but I tend to just plug it in wherever I go anyway.
jbb67将近 7 年前
I like almost none of this and disagree very strongly with many of the assertions of what is good and what is bad.<p>I imagine this is the last we&#x27;ll hear of this anyway
indigodaddy将近 7 年前
Hmm, I&#x27;ve tried Pop OS a year or two ago, and I wouldn&#x27;t call it state of the art. I&#x27;ll stick with MX17 when it comes to Linux..
CodinM将近 7 年前
What laptop is that? The one in the first picture?
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yellowapple将近 7 年前
Started off as a great article. Turned into an endless rant that&#x27;s entirely ignorant to the idea that maybe what works for you doesn&#x27;t work for me. My eyes eventually got fatigued from the constant rolling, and I stopped reading at some point.<p>The whole rant ends up boiling down to putting form over function, which I think is backwards relative to good UX. The form should absolutely be dictated by the function.<p>Now, there are a couple points of (what I read from) that rant with which I do agree:<p>1) The insistence upon shoving everything into a hamburger menu is asinine.<p>2) The insistence upon shoving a mobile-first UI paradigm down desktop users&#x27; throats in general (an example of which being the previous point) is asinine.<p>2) It makes sense to have a visual distinction between application-level and window-level operations, and to have those operations segregated into their own respective application-level and window-level (e.g. task-level or document-level) menus.<p>Where I <i>strongly</i> disagree is when there&#x27;s this strange assertion that there should only be one application menu displayed at any given time. That falls flat for several reasons:<p>1) A monitor may have multiple applications visible<p>2) A set of monitors may have multiple applications visible even when each monitor is dedicated to a single application<p>The solution - in my mind, at least - would be to make sure that if an application&#x27;s windows are visible on a monitor, then the application&#x27;s menu is visible on the monitor <i>somewhere</i> (and if the application has no visible windows, then feel free to hide the application&#x27;s menu somewhere out of the way. Whether that menu is attached to each window or to the monitor itself can (and should) be up to the user&#x27;s preference (I have no objective opinion on a default setting for this, though personally I&#x27;d probably prefer these application menus to be in the status bar for the same reasons as the author articulates). Hell, if the user wants to pull a NeXTSTEP and not attach the application menu to <i>anything</i>, then go for it (I probably would <i>not</i> want this as a default, but hey, if you&#x27;re going for a classic NeXT aesthetic, then you do you). User wants all of the above? Maybe a bit redundant, but if that makes it easier for the user, then why not?<p>This works great no matter the form factor. Larger screens would be more likely to have multiple applications on display at once, and thus would show multiple application menus. Smaller screens would be more likely to have one (or at most two) applications on display at once, and thus would only need to show one or two application menus.<p>In the case of a monitor-level menu, the function here may or may not overlap with a dock or some equivalent interface element. I&#x27;d probably combine the two in that case. App launching can be done through a single Activities&#x2F;Launcher button (with &quot;pinned&quot; and&#x2F;or running-but-not-currently-visible apps being front and center). Managing running apps can be done through the app&#x27;s menu, whether the app&#x27;s visible (and thus would have a visible menu on the monitor&#x27;s bar) or not (and thus would have a menu hidden somewhere but still readily available, e.g. in a context menu - or hell, an actually-visible menu - on the app&#x27;s launcher icon).<p>In the case of an application-level menu on each window, I&#x27;m envisioning something like the menu Firefox (IIRC) used to have at one point: a button by the window controls (or maybe at the other end) with the application name and&#x2F;or icon as the label (plus a window-specific title for the window itself). A hamburger menu icon might also make sense here to signify that this is in fact a menu, but that should be in <i>addition</i> to the application title&#x2F;icon, not as a substitute.<p>In any case, if a window is visible, its application is visible. The user can quickly find the application menu and perform application-level tasks (like opening a new window) without necessarily needing to perform a separate action of switching focus to one of that application&#x27;s windows (this is a reason why I agree with the author about detaching the app-level menu from the window: much easier&#x2F;faster to find when it&#x27;s in a consistent spot).<p>In summary: a hard-to-use interface is poor UX by definition, regardless of how &quot;pretty&quot; or &quot;elegant&quot; or &quot;minimal&quot; it may be. Good interface design means making common things easy while keeping uncommon things at least possible. If the interface is a little cluttered as a result, then so be it.
dingo_bat将近 7 年前
&gt; Unlike Windows, there is no ungainly multi-level start menu from hell.<p>I wonder which version of Windows the author used last.
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lsh将近 7 年前
puh-leaze. Just another Gnome derivative.