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Facebook’s New Message to WhatsApp: Make Money

244 点作者 ericzawo将近 7 年前

32 条评论

russellbeattie将近 7 年前
Whatsapp had a great business model: $1 a year. With their current 1.5 billion users, that&#x27;s nothing to sneeze at. It doesn&#x27;t cost them $100M a month to provide the service.<p>I wish more companies were like Craigslist - happy to make an great profit and a lasting business by providing basic information services for a reasonable price. Instead, a bunch of MBAs want to rule the world by focusing on growth at all costs, so they can then turn around and squeeze their locked in users for every dime possible.
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danirod将近 7 年前
Remember when WhatsApp required a subscription? One of the first changes made by Facebook after purchasing WhatsApp was to make it available for free. And now they&#x27;re complaining they can&#x27;t milk it enough? Oh dear.<p>I know that a percentage of WhatsApp users would stop using the app if they started requiring a payment again –because apparently paying $1 per year for using an application on your $999 phone is outrageous, but I wonder why can&#x27;t they just make it an option again as an alternative to ads.
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walterbell将近 7 年前
From <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mobile.nytimes.com&#x2F;2018&#x2F;04&#x2F;30&#x2F;technology&#x2F;whatsapp-facebook-jan-koum.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;mobile.nytimes.com&#x2F;2018&#x2F;04&#x2F;30&#x2F;technology&#x2F;whatsapp-fa...</a><p><i>&quot;Mr. Koum had grown increasingly concerned about Facebook’s position on user data in recent years. Mr. Koum was perturbed by the amount of information that Facebook collected on people and had wanted stronger protections for that data ... he felt the company’s board simply paid lip service to privacy and security concerns he raised ... Mr. Koum was tired from fighting back against pressure from the board throughout 2017 to allow advertisements on WhatsApp ... There had been a certain level of pride within WhatsApp’s team over the dedication to privacy and the departure of their co-founder had left many wondering whether Facebook would now open WhatsApp to tracking user data and, eventually, to ads on its service.&quot;</i><p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;amp&#x2F;s&#x2F;www.cnet.com&#x2F;google-amp&#x2F;news&#x2F;whatsapp-founders-may-have-left-1-3-billion-behind-in-their-facebook-breakup&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;amp&#x2F;s&#x2F;www.cnet.com&#x2F;google-amp&#x2F;news&#x2F;wh...</a><p><i>&quot;WhatsApp founders Jan Koum and Brian Acton reportedly left $1.3 billion behind by leaving Facebook ... The major divide was over monetizing the messaging app, which has 1.5 billion users. Koum and Acton had been resistant to adopting Facebook&#x27;s widely lucrative targeted advertising model.&quot;</i>
dlojudice将近 7 年前
Is monetizing through ads the only way to go? Is FB org trapped on its modus operandis (innovator&#x27;s dilemma)?<p>What about payments (charging a small fee for transactions) on their platform? The number of people already making business transactions on WhatsApp platform is huge, specially in Brazil [1]. A big bank in Brazil has already tried to grab this market by creating a keyboard with wire transfer integration [2].<p>This model is very similar to what WeChat has done in China.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.zdnet.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;whatsapp-is-the-main-digital-channel-for-brazilian-smes&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.zdnet.com&#x2F;article&#x2F;whatsapp-is-the-main-digital-c...</a> [2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@leandroscosta&#x2F;bank-ita%C3%BA-launch-a-keyboard-to-keep-you-in-the-conversation-while-you-transfer-your-money-34b6828d8edb" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@leandroscosta&#x2F;bank-ita%C3%BA-launch-a-ke...</a>
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mnl将近 7 年前
They had a business model: you provide a service to your customers and your customers pay for it. As the service is awesome, customers stay. That&#x27;s why for instance in Spain, it has been the de facto messaging standard for 7-8 years. People paid for it if they had to, even for the 3-year pack. They use WhatsApp for everything, it literally has replaced calls. If there are ads now this might change, as that will alienate everybody. They might consider Telegram (that&#x27;d be my bet). WhatsApp is considered standard functionality of your phone here, you&#x27;d change your mobile provider if they start playing ads in the middle of a call.
edgarvaldes将近 7 年前
&quot;Messaging service WhatsApp, which has a user base of roughly 1.5 billion, is set to start showing ads in its Status feature next year&quot;<p>Well, monetize through ads is something expected in any free platform that does not belong to a non-profit organization. It&#x27;s just a matter of time and implementation. Here in Mexico WhatsApp is huge, even as a default B2C channel for a lot of small businesses.
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salex89将近 7 年前
There is nothing I would like more than Facebook to sell WhatsApp, so I&#x27;m at least a bit more out of their claws or, alternately, for WhatsApp to be ruined and all my friends go to some other messaging app. I&#x27;ve been a long user of WA and really love it, but I&#x27;m not a fan of FB, although I do have an account, but rarely use it for messaging.
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rbreve将近 7 年前
They should try to apply the fortnite strategy, and charge for cosmetic features such as premium emoticons, and profile photos
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kough将近 7 年前
As long as they don&#x27;t start showing ads in my contact &#x2F; messages list, that&#x27;s fine. As soon as that starts to happen I&#x27;m gone -- that&#x27;s why I left FB Messenger. Or at least give me some way to pay to turn that off.
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ilovecaching将近 7 年前
TBH I prefer ads. As a small business owner, online ads have allowed me to grow my extremely niche business without spending a large bundle of funding, and I&#x27;m sure it&#x27;s helped countless more small businesses compete against the big box stores that can afford to do their own advertising. From a user perspective, the product can be given out for free, which for social media is a must, unless we want to start seeing classest messaging platforms excluding people in countries who can&#x27;t even afford 1 dollar or make digital payments. If I was going to let ads bother me I&#x27;d be much more upset about someone owning my search engine, phone, email, personal documents, cloud storage, etc... who could cross references those sources to build an accurate picture of my identity, rather than someone just owning my social media accounts where I&#x27;m just about as fake as necessary to make my grandma think I&#x27;m still going to church.
augbog将近 7 年前
I remember interviewing WhatsApp once. First thing I asked was how much does Facebook determine what comes down in terms of priority. The reply was &quot;There might be some things but we are our own entity. It really hasn&#x27;t affected us at all!&quot;<p>Few weeks later it was announced WhatsApp CEO quits due to privacy disagreements. lol
voltagex_将近 7 年前
Shit, I just convinced my parents to use WhatsApp instead of SMS. Time to start looking for an alternative. What&#x27;s Telegram&#x27;s business model? (yes, a good UI is a requirement and no, Signal isn&#x27;t there yet).
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eoincathal将近 7 年前
I am more than happy to pay for a subscription to Whatsapp. I have a scattered family and it&#x27;s a great way for us to stay in touch. As one of the more technically-minded family members, switching to a different service does not bother me but we&#x27;ve got 3 generations on our Whatsapp family groups and its ease of use and familiarity gives it inertia.<p>Not bothered by the idea of a relatively affluent westerner (me) paying more than those in less well off parts - already do for a lot of goods and services.<p>Facebook&#x27;s data hoover and business model aside, are subscriptions, in themselves, unworkable for Whatsapp?
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noncoml将近 7 年前
Almost everybody I know has at least 2 messaging apps installed on their phone.<p>What&#x27;s to stop people start migrating to Signal&#x2F;Telegram&#x2F;Viber&#x2F;Keybase&#x2F;etc.. once WhatsApp starts displaying ads?
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neonate将近 7 年前
<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;nRt3x" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;archive.is&#x2F;nRt3x</a>
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Entangled将近 7 年前
Make it a money remmitance platform and allow one billion people to send a trillion dollars a year charging just one percent in fees (ten billions in revenue) while providing merchants with extra apps and features for a premium.<p>A couple of days ago I was ordering a pizza by phone and they told me they had a whatsapp channel to take orders so I thought paying using whatsapp would be perfect. No need for annoying ads or invasive data collection.
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blocked_again将近 7 年前
Only if big companies stop trying to make the world a better place and leave companies like WhatsApp alone. WhatsApp was a small company making good enough money by respecting it&#x27;s users. Then Facebook had to come and destroy everything isn&#x27;t?
dep_b将近 7 年前
I don&#x27;t remember any new feature I liked since Facebook took over. Perhaps some stuff in the group chats that I liked but that&#x27;s it. So if there&#x27;s some kind of momentum for another messaging app I&#x27;ll jump ship early.
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coldtea将近 7 年前
Well, too late, they&#x27;ve bought it now. WhatsApp is just Facebook itself.
paxys将近 7 年前
Everyone knew this day would come the moment they announced the purchase
bassman9000将近 7 年前
Aside from Signal and Telegram, is there any worthy alternative?
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mtgx将近 7 年前
Relevant post from earlier this year:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.washingtonpost.com&#x2F;business&#x2F;economy&#x2F;whatsapp-founder-plans-to-leave-after-broad-clashes-with-parent-facebook&#x2F;2018&#x2F;04&#x2F;30&#x2F;49448dd2-4ca9-11e8-84a0-458a1aa9ac0a_story.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.washingtonpost.com&#x2F;business&#x2F;economy&#x2F;whatsapp-fou...</a>
kenrick95将近 7 年前
Related blog post from WhatsApp: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.whatsapp.com&#x2F;10000648&#x2F;Growing-our-Tools-for-Business" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;blog.whatsapp.com&#x2F;10000648&#x2F;Growing-our-Tools-for-Bus...</a>
gonvaled将近 7 年前
I would pay for some extra features. From the top of my head:<p>- several accounts (phone numbers) managed in a single WhatsApp installation<p>- auto-forward messages from one number to another<p>- integration with other services (gmail, gdrive, ...)<p>- api, to scratch my itches
scblock将近 7 年前
Next up: nonlinear timeline!
caioariede将近 7 年前
I&#x27;d be happy to pay for premium feature, like extra privacy controls and no ads<p>edit: clarifying, I&#x27;d love to be able to not let people know when I&#x27;m online
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nell将近 7 年前
I wonder if that is why they opened up their API to Twilio. Twilio can now pay Whatsapp whatever it has to pay the carriers to send&#x2F;receive SMS.
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navidfarhadi将近 7 年前
They could always try charging 1 USD&#x2F;year for the service &#x2F;s
fiatjaf将近 7 年前
Great news! Now this madness will stop. Suffer, WhatsApp users!
fraudsyndrome将近 7 年前
If they want to charge for it they better make it easier than it is currently to migrate over chats from iOS to Android and vice versa.<p>iOS to Android was okay, still had to pay ~$10 for it. Going from Android to iOS was very difficult so I lost a lot of my chats.
mariocesar将近 7 年前
Is there a link without a paywall ?
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moe_32将近 7 年前
Time to disable Whatsapp. It keeps draining my battery as it is.