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How Does Mastodon Work?

389 点作者 codesections将近 7 年前

30 条评论

jancsika将近 7 年前
&gt; Well, finding the right one is very difficult<p>That sounds like a rather critical UX bug.<p>Just give me the instance I should sign up on in the &quot;sign up&quot; area of mastodon.social. Use what you think is the most suitable algorithm to cycle through a list of &quot;appropriate&quot; instances, where you-- the people with domain experience-- define &quot;appropriate&quot; for the potential user.<p>Otherwise you end up with this passive-aggressive situation where everybody does the obvious thing of signing up on mastodon.social, but your devs and fans take it on themselves to &quot;teach&quot; people <i>not</i> to do that because federation.<p>Case in point: the very first step of signing up is described as &quot;very difficult&quot; in this newbie guide.
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codesections将近 7 年前
I wrote a companion piece that explains what makes Mastodon better than Twitter. It starts like this:<p>&gt; Mastodon is a newcomer social media platform that is a lot like Twitter—short messages, followers, hashtags, all that. But Mastodon is much better than Twitter, and not just because being totally ad-free and keeping chronological timelines make it far more enjoyable to use (though that certainly helps!).<p>All that is nice, but the real advantage Mastodon has over Twitter is that Mastodon is not an outrage machine that&#x27;s corroding our ability to view our politic opponents as real humans, deserving of sympathy and understanding.<p>To explain how much better Mastodon is, I&#x27;m going to give you three examples of how Mastodon is better, and then I&#x27;ll step back and talk about why Mastodon is better.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.codesections.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;mastodon-elevator-pitch&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.codesections.com&#x2F;blog&#x2F;mastodon-elevator-pitch&#x2F;</a>
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Pfhreak将近 7 年前
The thing I never really see from these is about setting up on an existing instance vs running my own. And if I set up my own, does it need to be a community? Am I shutting myself out of an experience by creating, say, a Mastodon instance for my family?<p>I&#x27;m bought in to the idea of Mastodon, but getting started is like being handed an atlas of the US and being told, &quot;Please pick a neighborhood to live in.&quot;
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newscracker将近 7 年前
I wish the author had expanded on migration from one instance to another and what it entails (similar to the questions and responses here).<p>Another point I would&#x27;ve liked to see is on encryption and privacy — who, other than the people I choose as an audience, can see my Toots (the admins of the instances, someone sniffing the network, etc.).<p>If these platforms are being sold as &quot;awesome&quot;, there need to be more reasons than just &quot;no adverts and no tracking&quot; (the latter claim is not provable without talking about encryption in a little more detail). No ads doesn&#x27;t mean someone can&#x27;t sell your information to someone else outside this platform. It&#x27;s one thing that the owners&#x2F;maintainers of many instances wouldn&#x27;t sell information because of their own moral convictions that led them to get out of centralized, single company social networks. But asking to trust on that basis alone is not enough.<p>I checked out Mastodon quite sometime ago, but stopped using it after one or two Toots. Network effect — not knowing anyone else is a big barrier. On chat platforms, I could at least persuade one or two people I know to use them for direct chats, but these ar harder to deal with when you&#x27;re looking for people who are not only local but also are working on similar causes as oneself. Like the author says, finding some interesting people on Mastodon and creating new connections could work, but it also depends on one&#x27;s areas of interest. I personally also find Twitter very noisy (not in the sense of signal to noise ratio, but the amount of content). At least on Facebook I can join certain groups, avoid the news feed, etc. Somehow the topic wise discussion format seems suitable to me than a chat format (without some amount of conversation threading) with many users.
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mirimir将近 7 年前
Finally, a cogent explanation.<p>Edit: But missing a key issue, perhaps.<p>&gt; Because Mastodon uses a collection of Instances, you’re not at the beck and call of one site owner. If you don’t like the direction an Instance is taking, you can pack your virtual bags and go. Mastodon even has an import&#x2F;export tool that allows you to migrate the people you follow from one account&#x2F;instance to another.<p>That sounds great. But if you do &quot;pack your virtual bags and go&quot;, is there any way to map foo@bar.net to foo@baz.net? In the email analogy, there&#x27;s clearly not. You need to tell all correspondents.
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bopbop将近 7 年前
Apologies for the vulgarity, but I am presuming someone has informed the initial design team that toot is slang for a fart (at least in England) - which leads to the phrase &quot;a mastadon toot&quot; being quite a double entendre.<p>How well ingrained is the name? Is it as commonly used in the community as a tweet in twitter? As in do the users identify the messages they send as toots, and are likely to say as such?<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.urbandictionary.com&#x2F;define.php?term=toots" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.urbandictionary.com&#x2F;define.php?term=toots</a>
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edhelas将近 7 年前
I am really impressed by Mastodon all the efforts that the community is doing to explain the project and the decentralization to the &quot;common people&quot;.<p>It&#x27;s something that I&#x27;m doing for years now when trying to show how Movim works (it&#x27;s a federated social platform based on XMPP, <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;movim.eu" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;movim.eu</a>). I always have difficulties when showing how a social platform can work in a decentralized (or in those two cases federated) way.<p>The path that I&#x27;m taking for Movim at the moment is to start from the emails (in Movim the accounts and platforms are decoupled, you can connect using the same account on different instances and clients) and apply it to a social network and chat service (Movim is mixing social network and chat platform in the same UI) but I see often that it&#x27;s not &quot;easy&quot; when people are used to centralized solutions.
lambada将近 7 年前
Something unclear from the article<p>&gt;You can also Favourite a Toot. Which basically means that you support or agree with a Toot.<p>Are favourites toots private? Can someone else view them? Are they automatically shown up in timelines (as liked tweets do).<p>Also, does favourite really imply agreement? To me atleast, I favourited tweets that I didn’t agree with just because they pointed to a well constructed argument, or for future reference.<p>Since twitter changed terminology to like I’ve stopped doing that.
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samcat116将近 7 年前
With the death of certain Twitter APIs coming up soon, I wonder if many Twitter client developers will start to make Mastodon apps. I would love to see &quot;Tootbot&quot; by the Tweetbot developers.
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lxe将近 7 年前
How are email and ActivityPub different in spirit? If they are so similar, and often compared, then why not use the well-known email stack to build &quot;federated&quot; social&#x2F;messaging apps? I think &quot;not being gmail-compatible&quot; was the core flaws of Google Wave.
corobo将近 7 年前
When you first start out someone gives you an email address. Your ISP, Your employer, Microsoft, Google (push)<p>When you first start out with Mastodon, you have to find a server on your own and hope it&#x27;s not going to disappear on you in the distant future (pull)<p>The mainstream doesn&#x27;t do pull. I haven&#x27;t verified but I imagine sites such as Twitter didn&#x27;t take off until they started pushing accounts through advertising and word of mouth suggestion (upload your contacts, invite your friends!). Facebook pushed accounts on people in by limiting who could sign up until a certain demand threshold was reached so that when the next wave of potential users look at it, they have an account pushed on them by peer pressure as their friends were already there<p>Leave the decentralised aspects to us nerds. To get it properly going you&#x27;re gonna need a way to push accounts on people
ISL将近 7 年前
Is there a straightforward way to change Instances without losing connections with other users?<p>Does it make more sense to host your own, so that you&#x27;ll always be @isl@isl.tld ?
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kowdermeister将近 7 年前
I found a survey about Mastodon:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@cassolotl&#x2F;a-mastodon-survey-ac74948765c7" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@cassolotl&#x2F;a-mastodon-survey-ac74948765c7</a><p>It says the main reason for not joining &#x2F; abandoning is lack of friends. And also hard to use which doesn&#x27;t help pulling in more people, so no friends, then a downward spiral.<p>Is there a way out?
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woodandsteel将近 7 年前
From the article: &quot;To my surprise, I couldn’t find a decent guide anywhere&quot;<p>How often open source projects shoot themselves in the foot this way. They come up with something marvelous that many ordinary users would love to use. But then they fail to make a friendly UI and write good user docs, so few people adopt it.<p>One example I struggled with is gpg. I wanted to use it, but found the user docs confusing. So I thought of helping improve them so it would be more widely adopted. So I dug into how it works, but I discovered it was so inherently hard to use that few would ever adopt it, no matter how good the user docs were, and so I just gave up.<p>One thing that is going to determine whether web decentralization succeeds and rescues us from Facebook et al is whether or not the developers can come up with user friendly software. One thing that means is that it is quite possible that a piece of decentralization software that is far from optimal will take over a segment simply because it is easier to use that others that are much superior.
msravi将近 7 年前
It isn&#x27;t clear from the article - does Mastodon have the equivalent of Twitter lists in which I can group sets of handles into separate timelines that I can follow independently&#x2F;parallelly?<p>The one timeline thing doesn&#x27;t work for me too well... I prefer a few separate parallel timelines and tweetdeck is great to organize and follow such parallel timelines.
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amelius将近 7 年前
&gt; If we use our email analogy; think of Mastodon as email as a whole.<p>Shouldn&#x27;t that be ActivityPub instead of Mastodon?
Kiro将近 7 年前
&gt; This is by design so that a person’s Toot is only Boosted in a way that gets the message they intended across.<p>Seems like a bad design decision trying to force people to use the platform in an unnatural way. They will just take screenshots and add their own comments instead, making the &quot;retoots with comments&quot; inferior to what it could be with native comments.
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baxtr将近 7 年前
I hope Mastodon will develop into a real twitter alternative one day. Currently it’s rather “empty”<p>If anyone is intersted in a German round-up of Mastodon: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.achtungtechnik.de&#x2F;archives&#x2F;2018&#x2F;mastodon&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.achtungtechnik.de&#x2F;archives&#x2F;2018&#x2F;mastodon&#x2F;</a>
Avamander将近 7 年前
The idea seems very interesting to me, but I have to ask, people talk a lot about the social aspect and how I can follow people, this honestly doesn&#x27;t interest me at all, what I&#x27;m interested at is aggregation, could I actually replace say twitter and my RSS reader with self-hosted Mastodon instance?
needle0将近 7 年前
I&#x27;m not sure if this will be relevant to its longer-term success, but I notice that the word &quot;Mastodon&quot; seems to be very easy to misspell -- In the comments here alone I already find &quot;Mastadon&quot;, &quot;Mastadoon&quot;, etc.
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caf将近 7 年前
How does it deal with spam?
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pard68将近 7 年前
I joined a server. It was alright. Then I looked at the federated timeline and decided I did not wish to be a part of Mastadon.<p>Too much hate and virtue signalling. It was like what Twitter already was.
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jesuisuncaillou将近 7 年前
I really wish I could join several instances with the same account. This is a feature currently missing, but someone told me they&#x27;re working on it.<p>Go mastodon, go !
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amelius将近 7 年前
Would Mastodon be a useful platform to, collaboratively, define the requirements of software?<p>Perhaps it could be used to define the next iteration of Mastodon, then.
ohthehugemanate将近 7 年前
I understand HOW mastodon works. I&#x27;ve got my account. But I still don&#x27;t understand WHY.<p>I got into twitter and facebook when I was a university student who gave a crap about broadcasting myself to the world. Now I&#x27;m old and don&#x27;t care anymore, and I&#x27;m not deluded enough to think that anyone else cares. Is there a use case that goes beyond teenagers chatting at the lockers?
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baq将近 7 年前
so how do i ban russian trolls on a federated p2p social network...?
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moonbug将近 7 年前
&quot;badly&quot;
emilfihlman将近 7 年前
&gt;Being open source gives us the reassurance that our data is not being harvested, or that we’re not being spied on.<p>A false sense of reassurance.
ManlyBread将近 7 年前
I got banned from mastodon.social with no explanation or warning. Given that this is the &quot;official&quot; instance I remain sceptical to whether this is a project worth engaging in.
Uhhrrr将近 7 年前
The failure to mention GNU Social, which Mastodon is almost completely based upon and which birthed the Fediverse, is just weird.
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