Why You Should Build a Hackintosh

182 点作者 jalan将近 7 年前

36 条评论

ageitgey将近 7 年前

I can tell you from experience that building a Hackintosh is a terrible idea for almost all people.I have no moral objection to it and I totally understand the motivation. Apple is completely failing to provide hardware that runs at a fraction of the performance you'd get from building a commodity $2500 AMD/Nvidia desktop even if you give Apple $7000 for a Pro model. Apple's platform especially sucks if you do anything with deep learning since they refuse to sell anything with Nvidia GPUs anymore.But the actual experience of running a Hackintosh is terrible. Even if you buy exactly the right components, it will still take you days to get everything patched and working perfectly. And then every minor security patch will completely break your system, so you end up never updating. Finally you hit a point where your system is so far behind that you give up and either buy a Mac or just install Linux/Windows.

评论 #17712067 未加载

评论 #17712270 未加载

评论 #17711927 未加载

评论 #17711113 未加载

评论 #17713025 未加载

评论 #17711372 未加载

评论 #17714835 未加载

评论 #17711352 未加载

评论 #17712535 未加载

评论 #17711492 未加载

评论 #17713621 未加载

peatmoss将近 7 年前

Most people invoking a moral imperative to not make hackintoshes are coming from the angle that it’s stealing from Apple.I look at it another way. Apple, as a company is failing to meet the needs of some of its users:- You can’t get an upgradable pro machine- you can’t get a good keyboard (for some definitions of good)- macOS gets more iOS-ified with each release and some people don’t like thatEvery Hackintosh continues to add momentum to that platform ecosystem, enriching it so that Apple can continue on more or less as they want.I use Linux (and OpenBSD occasionally) these days, and I do so in part so that I can sometimes be the guy who sands off a rough corner or two. Even by using the platform and occasionally submitting bug reports, you’re enriching a platform that may be the last un-nerfed general purpose computing platform standing. If we lose general purpose computing to a world of app-store enabled iPad Pros and Windows Store-locked Surfaces, we will have lost something important I think.

评论 #17709751 未加载

评论 #17709717 未加载

评论 #17709340 未加载

评论 #17709395 未加载

评论 #17709502 未加载

评论 #17709752 未加载

评论 #17711126 未加载

评论 #17709488 未加载

评论 #17711107 未加载

mprev将近 7 年前

I moved to a Mac after a decade of Linux on the desktop. After years of fiddling with drivers, crappy trackpad behaviours and so on, I wanted a computer that got out of my way and just worked. MacOS is far from perfect but it works perfectly with Apple hardware.If I wanted to go back to seeing my operating system as a hobby then Linux would be mostly a better option.

评论 #17709156 未加载

评论 #17709288 未加载

评论 #17709302 未加载

评论 #17710365 未加载

评论 #17710179 未加载

评论 #17714169 未加载

评论 #17709208 未加载

lazerwalker将近 7 年前

I recently switched from a Hackintosh to a brand-new MacBook Pro. My desktop was/is way more powerful than the new laptop, but MAN is the new MBP more enjoyable to use.Some things I ran into on a daily basis:* GPU support (at least with Nvidia) is terrible. Anything GPU-bound was absolutely horrendous. The OS would just freeze and reboot itself a dozen times a day due to the GPU (and not obviously e.g. overheating issues). No issues at all when running Windows on the same box. And this was after I spent hours trawling forum posts and fiddling around with kexts and patches and installing random tools off GitHub that would let you downgrade from the latest Nvidia drivers to the last "known good" ones. This didn't used to be as bad, but High Sierra really fucked things over.* I never got non-Bluetooth audio working. The community recommended a USB audio adapter; never worked for me. I'd occasionally connect AirPods, but not having proper support for the fast device switching meant it was a pain in the ass.* iMessage worked... maybe 30-40% of the time? Switching over to my new Mac, I'm amazed how I'd trained myself away from sending text messages on my Mac purely because I didn't expect it to work reliably.* Other little things didn't work that you wouldn't reasonably expect to work. Apple Pay in Safari via your phone, unlocking your computer with an Apple Watch, remote iOS debugging in Xcode / Safari, etc. Little things that I didn't really notice at the time, but are so much nicer now that I'm back in first-party hardware land.I'm glad I did the experiment, and I'm glad I still have my custom box lying around for Windows gaming, but man am I happy to be back on first-party hardware. If I needed to switch back to using my tower as my primary computer, I'd definitely use Linux or Windows before going back to a Hackintosh.

ironjunkie将近 7 年前

I really don't get it.The biggest appeal of Apple is their wonderful hardware. I dislike MacOS and it has been worse over the last years.It seems to me that a Hackintosh is the worst of both worlds. If you spend that much time hacking around the hardware anyways, why not use Linux ?

评论 #17709085 未加载

评论 #17709346 未加载

评论 #17709158 未加载

评论 #17709035 未加载

评论 #17709050 未加载

评论 #17709456 未加载

评论 #17709469 未加载

评论 #17711531 未加载

评论 #17711315 未加载

评论 #17710984 未加载

评论 #17709188 未加载

评论 #17713896 未加载

评论 #17717317 未加载

评论 #17711104 未加载

评论 #17719145 未加载

MikeKusold将近 7 年前

I ran a hackintosh around 2009-2010. I will never do it again. When I first got it all setup and had everything working, I thought it was the best thing ever. Then a security update came out and it completely wrecked my setup. I didn't own any Apple computers at the time, so to fix my broken setup I had to borrow a friend's macbook to fix my desktop. This happened to me 2-3 times before I reformatted and installed Linux.Fast forward to present day, I have both a personal and a work macbook. I badly miss my Linux setup, but there aren't any other laptops that can compete with a MBP. I've debated installing Linux on my MBP, but then I'd be back to forcing an operating system to work on unsupported hardware.

评论 #17709457 未加载

评论 #17709396 未加载

S_A_P将近 7 年前

I can also add a solid reason to build a hackintosh: There is a systemic, as yet unresolved issue that a non trivial percentage of users are experiencing with the iMac Pro and 2018 refresh Macbook Pro.While unproven, it seems related to the T2 chip and it causes kernel panics in certain cases. There is a lengthy thread on the apple support community about this[1], and Ive worked with an apple engineer off and on for a few weeks to gather information about my system.The symptoms are a kernel panic occurs when the system is allowed to sleep overnight with certain OS options enabled. The panic also occurs when the TB bus is loaded down or daisy chained and accessed by an application. So far there is no fix but ways to decrease the kernel panics.The affected users appears to be anyone with an iMac Pro or 2018 macbook pro. I happen to have both of the affected products, but fortunately my macbook pro is not having this issue. In my case, I was able to turn off things like powernap, unlock with apple watch, and some other energy saving functions, but I dont want that to be a permanent configuration. I still get crashes when using applications that access the TB bus as well.[1]<a href="https://discussions.apple.com/message/33728078" rel="nofollow">https://discussions.apple.com/message/33728078</a>

评论 #17710462 未加载

评论 #17710729 未加载

e40将近 7 年前

I maintained one for a couple of years. I had a troubling configuration to support (RAID 1 for system partition, no Windows). Every time I updated (minor macOS releases), it was a nail-biting experience, and sometimes it would take me hours to recover. The forums (tonymacx86) weren't much help, even though my hardware was supported (according to them). Overall, it was a frustrating and not that rewarding experience. Lightroom is actually faster on my 2013 Pro, even though the video card I used in the hackintosh was way more powerful, so I literally do not miss anything from those 2 years.

joshmn将近 7 年前

I have a very well-equipped Hackintosh that has been my daily driver for the last 3 years. I've upgraded from Yosemite to El Capitan to Sierra without any issues, even when using the official upgrade method via iTunes. It sleeps, has working Bluetooth; FaceTime works too. It's incredibly stable.I also have a pair of rMBPs.I dual boot with Windows 10 so I can game when I want to.It's all about getting a very compatible motherboard. If you don't do your research, it's going to be a battle.

评论 #17712616 未加载

rconti将近 7 年前

This doesn't explain why I should build a Hackintosh.I did it about 8 or so years ago on a Thinkpad T60. It was fine, and basically worked.But my time was more valuable than the incremental cost for Apple hardware.

jdietrich将近 7 年前

Why you shouldn't build a Hackintosh: it's a pain in the ass, things will probably break after a major OSX update and the usability gap between OSX and Windows 10 has closed considerably over the past few years.

评论 #17709569 未加载

dvfjsdhgfv将近 7 年前

I'm still using the tower version of Mac Pro with High Sierra and it rocks. I upgraded RAM to 32 GB and the Xeon processors handle everything I throw at them. Opening it and changing drives is a pure pleasure. I really, really don't understand why Apple gave up on these towers and came up with something as inflexible as the current design.

评论 #17709216 未加载

评论 #17710061 未加载

评论 #17709335 未加载

评论 #17709025 未加载

jasonm89将近 7 年前

I feel like the post didn't really give me any reasons why I should build a Hackintosh. Also, I wish they went more into their Hackintosh build and not what they want from a mac.

lowlevel将近 7 年前

I feel we're kind of going into a dark age... Apple's software and hardware is suffering from major design flaws, and Microsoft is trying to be more like Apple... linux on the desktop is becoming less laughable with each os update or product refresh...

rock_artist将近 7 年前

For desktop, running macOS on a custom PC is the way to go.For mobile, where you do want decent battery life and power management I still use Apple's machines.Many people here are UN*X ppl and that's great. But for people doing creative work such as Video, Audio, Graphics there are only 2 platforms - macOS / Windows.I hope and believe Linux will catch up... there are already some products available in Linux flavor. But until then and when Apple's in-house ARM will be old enough to ditch Intel machines...That's one of the most valid choices.

op00to将近 7 年前

Why you shouldn't: you're installing untrusted, totally unverified code at the lowest system levels which opens you up to not only malicious backdoors in the software that bypasses Apple's hardware copy protection, but vulnerabilities that might be discovered in that functionality the future. If you care at all about your personal data, you probably shouldn't take that risk.

kstenerud将近 7 年前

You could also install a virtual hackintosh. It's relatively easy to get going under KVM: <a href="https://github.com/kstenerud/virtual-builders/tree/master/machine-builders/macos" rel="nofollow">https://github.com/kstenerud/virtual-builders/tree/master/ma...</a>It's also possible to pass through a graphics card.

ofcrpls将近 7 年前

Archive Link since the main blog is dead for now<a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20180807171806/https://martinhering.me/post/why-you-should-build-a-hackintosh" rel="nofollow">https://web.archive.org/web/20180807171806/https://martinher...</a>

theak将近 7 年前

Honestly as someone who used to use a Hackintosh as my daily driver, I can't recommend building one to anyone.Everything from getting drivers to work, to handling updates, is a major pain. The whole point of the mac is that just works, and a Hackintosh is the furthest possible thing from that.

dep_b将近 7 年前

I won't use a Hackintosh as my main development machine but with all that AMD goodness around it might be a very cool project to build a MegaMac around a 32 core ThreadRipper.I'm not the Mac Pro customer (just programming) to begin with and I am satisfied with the 2015 and 2018 MacBook Pro's. Just as I don't even have a car let alone need a Lamborghini for groceries.But it would be nice for once just to step on the pedal of one and hear it roar. If you know what I mean BIG GRINI don't think the Mac Pro will ever have USB-A again but surprise me.

collinf将近 7 年前

Couldn't help but notice the irony behind this post in your "Previous Posts" section: <a href="https://martinhering.me/post/0/everything-thats-wrong-with-hackintosh" rel="nofollow">https://martinhering.me/post/0/everything-thats-wrong-with-h...</a>Also, I've always been curious what the process for upgrading to new OS versions on a Hackintosh is like. Is it expected that once you get the machine in a working state, you are better off not to touch it?

评论 #17709255 未加载

评论 #17709273 未加载

qubex将近 7 年前

If the next official Mac Pro doesn’t totally blow me away I’m getting a dual POWER9 Talos workstation, putting it in a Level 10case for proud display, and switching to open source. I’m fed up of all this shit. I want a powerful machine and I want to be in charge of it, and if I have to pay premium prices, it might as well be for something usefully exotic.

tomphoolery将近 7 年前

I own a 2008 Mac Pro, and High Sierra isn't available for my machine. Why should I buy a new machine if my current one works just fine?Note: I need High Sierra because I use this particular machine for music production, and the latest Logic Pro X requires High Sierra, and all of my collaborators have updated so I can't open tracks originated by them anymore.

评论 #17712366 未加载

writepub将近 7 年前

What Mac only software requires you to use OS-X/hackintosh? Have you looked for alternatives on Ubuntu?At the cost you've stated, your Ubuntu machine will fly, even compared to the Mac. Most often, even at half the cost, you'll end up with most use cases covered on Ubuntu

nottorp将近 7 年前

Three arguments for hackintosh on the desktop:1. Apple desktop hardware 2. Windows OS software 3. Linux OS softwareLaptops are another matter, I buy actual Apple hardware. But then I don't want a super powerful laptop, I have a desktop hackintosh for that ;)

uberman将近 7 年前

Funny that the article is titled "WHY YOU SHOULD BUILD A HACKINTOSH" yet links to an article by the same author with a conclusion of "I would never recommend to anybody to build a hackintosh..."

didip将近 7 年前

I don't get it. If you are going to pave your own path, rejecting Apple ecosystem, then why not just be part of Linux ecosystem?It probably takes less money and effort to simply buy a Linux laptop.

outworlder将近 7 年前

> Apple, if you do that, I am on board again.I would't be. It doesn't matter if they build the dream "pro" machine today if they are not going to refresh the line for 10 years.

peterbmarks将近 7 年前

When an article talks about "thunderbold" ports and having a desk "littled" with cables I question the accuracy of the rest of it I'm afraid.

mawburn将近 7 年前

Hackintosh, for when you want MacOS for all the wrong reasons. Throw that hardware compatibility and stability out the window.

crispinb将近 7 年前

Why you should stop parroting the trite off-the-shelf "Why you should .." title cliche.

rosege将近 7 年前

Another alternative is to rent one - there are various places that sell you time on them

rootedbox将近 7 年前

Besides the pain of when there is a major os upgrade.. I love my mackintosh.

mitchtbaum将近 7 年前

Anyone have an ultrabook with macOS?

true_tuna将近 7 年前

Remind me again later.Or maybe I’ll run an OS that lets me say “no”

frusciante29将近 7 年前

weekly hackintosh post, we've been expecting you!