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How Amsterdam’s Airport Is Fighting Noise Pollution with Land Art

147 点作者 jath2将近 7 年前

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gumby将近 7 年前
There are a lot of opportunities to make functional structures attractive (even attractions in themselves) but this approach seems to have fallen into abeyance, in particular in the USA and the UK, for some reasons over the past 50 years.<p>For example instead of brutalist bollards and jersey barriers, pedestrian ways could be set aside via grade elevation or attractive, gapped structures that invite walking instead of looking threatening. Water plants could have &quot;water temples&quot; again.<p>It seems like some theory that doing anything beyond the functional minimum is a waste of the taxpayer&#x27;s money. But isn&#x27;t a crude structure also a tax on the psyche?
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Anechoic将近 7 年前
I&#x27;d really like to see a technical analysis of this project - I&#x27;ve checked the usual spots (JASA, INCE Journal, Journal of Sound &amp; Vibration, etc) and couldn&#x27;t find anything. Google searches just lead to Paul De Kort&#x27;s writeup, and similar articles.<p>A little background about issues involved: if you have a noise source on (or just above) the ground, and a receiver on (or just above) the ground with line-of-sight to one another, there are three paths that noise can take from the source to the receiver:<p>1. The source can emit sound that goes up into the atmosphere, but under certain atmospheric conditions, that sound can be reflected back down to the receiver.<p>2. The sound travels directly, in straight line, between the source and receiver.<p>3. The source emits sound that travels downward at a shallow angle into the ground, and is reflected up to the receiver.<p>For path #3, if the ground is acoustically &quot;hard&quot; (generally meaning non-porous), the reflected ground path adds to the noise heard at the receiver. If the sound is acoustically &quot;soft&quot;, generally porous, the sound is absorbed [0] so the reflected sound does not add to the direct sound, and the resulting total noise is quieter compared to the situation with hard ground. This explains the reduction in sound level when the land was plowed - the hard ground (dense, packed soil) was transformed into soft ground (loose, tilled soil). This also explains why background noise levels drop when snow is on the ground.<p>It looks like the Schiphol landscaping addresses mostly #3, possibly #2 (by blocking direct LOS between the source and receiver). This is interesting, but the same can also be achieved by a noise wall at the airport taxi and run-up areas (which is the typical solution), or creating a wide, dense tree belt. The claim is that spacing the berms by the wavelength of the (presumably dominant) airport frequency creates greater reduction, but I&#x27;d really like to view technical data to see how well that works.<p>The articles claims the berms have &quot;reduced noise levels by more than half&quot; - is that in terms of sound pressure, sound power, or sound perception?<p>If sound perception, that&#x27;s ~10 dB and that&#x27;s <i>really</i> impressive.<p>If sound power, that&#x27;s around 6 dB, which is decent.<p>If sound pressure, that&#x27;s 3 dB, which is strictly in the &quot;meh&quot; category.<p>[0] Technically the sound isn&#x27;t absorbed, it goes through a phase change so that the reflected sound cancels out part of the direct sound.
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jws将近 7 年前
Noise power and perceived volume are nonlinear. When the article says: <i>These simple ridges have reduced noise levels by more than half.</i> they are speaking of power. This means a reduction in perceived noise of about 1&#x2F;6th. It is about the minimum change at which a person says &quot;Oh yeah, that&#x27;s quieter.&quot;<p>Later in the article they mention including more measures from the airlines&#x27; planes and operating procedures to achieve a total of a 10db reduction, which gets rid of 90% of the energy and people will say &quot;Oh yeah, that&#x27;s about half as loud.&quot;
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namenotrequired将近 7 年前
Funny to see this here :) Born and raised right next to what is now Buitenschot, lived there until 3 years ago. For the last few years, my brother and I had the unusual habit of going for a run over these ridges and ditches every Sunday.<p>There are in fact at least two listening ears, a few hundreds of meters apart, but they’re not exactly opposite each other so they don’t communicate. Also we never realized the meaning of that weird pond haha.<p>AMA
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jadbox将近 7 年前
Is it just me or has Amsterdam&#x2F;Netherlands been on Hacker News (and other outlets) more and more... almost feels like a weekly occurrence now. I&#x27;ve visited Netherlands last year and was fully impressed with their entire culture.
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adamnemecek将近 7 年前
Speaking of Amsterdam Airport and noise pollution, through the whole airport there are speakers that repeat the phrase &quot;Mind your step&quot; every 10 seconds of so.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=0uTySV1Gkh4&amp;t=28s" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=0uTySV1Gkh4&amp;t=28s</a><p>I&#x27;ve had to spend quite a bit of time at the airport unfortunately (say 6 hours each time) and it felt almost like Chinese water torture. I could hear it for the next day after leaving the airport.<p>I find it very hostile.
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oh5nxo将近 7 年前
Article did not spesifically mention air layers, temperature inversion and downward refracted sound waves. Curved waves in the images imply this condition, no? Tropospheric propagation in hamspeak.<p>Changing the color of the landscape might also have a small effect on how the area heats up on sunlight and so how often unusual sound propagation develops. silly...
Mizza将近 7 年前
This could have been made into an awesome BMX&#x2F;skate park. In terms of usage, I don&#x27;t know what gets better return for public land.<p>Next time you&#x27;re at a park with a skatepark, I bet you&#x27;ll see it&#x27;s packed, and generally there is a totally disused baseball diamond next to it.
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Hydraulix989将近 7 年前
I wish SJC could do something more about the noise pollution. At every hour of the day starting at 6 AM sharp (and often at night past the &quot;curfew&quot;), there are deafeningly loud jets taking off and landing overhead to the point where it even disrupts indoor conversation. When I lived there in Santa Clara, I had to wear earplugs to sleep at night, and needless to say, I was out of there once my lease was up.
trumped将近 7 年前
&gt; The plan is to achieve a noise reduction of up to 10 decibels.<p>If they can achieve that goal, it sounds very good [1].<p>1. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Decibel" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Decibel</a>
userbinator将近 7 年前
Looks like the same design as in a <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Anechoic_chamber" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Anechoic_chamber</a>
amelius将近 7 年前
&gt; These simple ridges have reduced noise levels by more than half.<p>Great, now we can increase air traffic by a factor of two! &#x2F;s