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Elusive mitochondrial connection to inflammation uncovered

242 点作者 dtawfik1将近 7 年前

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fasteo将近 7 年前
Interesting post and comments, as usual. I wanted to give some pragmatic information related to this.<p>I have a genetic condition that makes my mitochondria to malfunction. I was diagnosed about 10 years ago. At first, I started taking supplements to increase the production of ATP, but my &quot;vitality&quot; did not improve much. I could workout normally, but my recovery ability was poor, and from time to time I would just crash and burn for 2-3 days.<p>After much reading, I came to the conclusion that the problem was not a shortage of ATP. Rather, it was the mess created by all the workarounds my body was doing to maintain a level of ATP that could keep me alive. So, I started taking the following pre-bed stack. It is meant to be a clean-up the mess, anti-inflammatory:<p>- 2g Vitamin C<p>- 500 mg reduced glutathione<p>- 500 mg curcumin (I prefer BCM-95)<p>- 1-5 mg melatonin (depending on activity level)<p>- 100 mg CoQ10<p>(I am also considering adding Ashwagandha to the stack)<p>As of today, I workout 4-5 times per week, with 2 sessions of boxing (like punching in the face, not the aerobic variation), 1 heavy lifting session (usually squats) and 1-2 metabolic circuit sessions.<p>Sure I feel tired at times, but it is not liked the deep, extreme fatigue I felt before starting this stack.<p>Hope this helps.
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jonmc12将近 7 年前
If you are interested in more information about Autophagic processes, this video interview is great: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;fasting&#x2F;comments&#x2F;6qobj7&#x2F;rhonda_patrick_brings_nerd_level_video_on&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;fasting&#x2F;comments&#x2F;6qobj7&#x2F;rhonda_patr...</a><p>Rhonda Patrick interviews Dr Guido Kroemer, an expert in Autophagy. Its one of the most accessible, well-referenced and thorough discussions on Autophagy (including Mitophagy), that I&#x27;ve come across.
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reasonattlm将近 7 年前
Oxidative stress and inflammation go hand in hand. Aging has rising levels of both.<p>Mitochondrially targeted antioxidants such as SkQ1 were first approved for use against inflammatory eye conditions. They act to dampen the consequences &#x2F; amount of inflammation, and do this by cutting down on oxidizing molecules produced within mitochondria. They were first developed out of an interest to slow aging through this sort of modulation of mitochondrial oxidative stress and damage. They do slow aging to some degree, but don&#x27;t do anywhere near as well as calorie restriction - say 10% in flies, something less than that in mice, which isn&#x27;t impressive.<p>The first earnest human trials for mitochondrially targeted antioxidants such as MitoQ (which from the studies is actually less effective than SkQ1) suggest it can reduce the impact of oxidative stress or inflammation on the smooth muscle cells in blood vessel walls. Their dysfunction produces some fraction of the stiffening of blood vessels with age. That stiffening causes raised blood pressure, which in turn causes too many bad things to list here.<p>So these are not massive effects. You can probably do as well as MitoQ by bumping up your exercise level to the next tier. But then you can always both exercise and take a mitochondrially targeted antioxidant. The costs are not high, so it may be worth it based on the preliminary data.<p>Not a cure for aging, and thus not worth spilling immense amounts of ink and effort over it. Just something to think about doing and then get on with better development projects with better expected outcomes.
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ArtWomb将近 7 年前
One mental model which may help in visualizing &quot;oxidative stress&quot; in mitochondrial networks is to liken it to a &quot;first-order phase transition&quot; in solid-state physics. Gene expression regulates structure. And structure determines function.<p>But whereas a typical sample of inorganic material may possess a handful of stable states under room temperature conditions. Nuclear genomics in mammals express 1000s of proteins.<p>MIT&#x27;s Broad Institute has begun compiling a reference atlas:<p>MitoCarta 2.0: An Inventory Of Mammalian Mitochodrial Genes<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.broadinstitute.org&#x2F;scientific-community&#x2F;science&#x2F;programs&#x2F;metabolic-disease-program&#x2F;publications&#x2F;mitocarta&#x2F;mitocarta-in-0" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.broadinstitute.org&#x2F;scientific-community&#x2F;science&#x2F;...</a>
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fsnarskiy将近 7 年前
This is actually very interesting.<p>Low-grade inflammation is often linked to aging and cancer developments, it is however often unclear whether its cause&#x2F;effect or correlation - <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;academic.oup.com&#x2F;biomedgerontology&#x2F;article&#x2F;69&#x2F;Suppl_1&#x2F;S4&#x2F;587037" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;academic.oup.com&#x2F;biomedgerontology&#x2F;article&#x2F;69&#x2F;Suppl_...</a><p>But mechanisms of inflammation are many and still pretty illusive, this is a great step towards understanding aging mechanisms in general.
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wolco将近 7 年前
This is highly interesting. After taking ciprofloxan 10 months ago I&#x27;m still trying to get my damaged mitochondria back in order.
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king_panic将近 7 年前
2012: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov&#x2F;pmc&#x2F;articles&#x2F;PMC3536340&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov&#x2F;pmc&#x2F;articles&#x2F;PMC3536340&#x2F;</a>
baccheion将近 7 年前
Vitamin D3 (+ K; 10 IU D3 : 2 mcg+ MK-4) + chelated&#x2F;TRAACS magnesium. Magnesium is released by the body to clear inflammation. Vitamin D induces autophagy, and counters inflammation and oxidation.<p>Riboflavin (selenium, vitamin E, etc) is involved in the recycling of glutathione. MSM + silicon (monomethylsilanetriol) + vitamin C. 4g:1g MSM:C.
MarkThief将近 7 年前
So this could be what is causing all these nearly undiagnosable cases of autoimmune disease?
twodave将近 7 年前
There are about half a dozen solid rock band names in this headline:<p>Hello [City], we are [Choose one below]! Duh nuh nuh nuh nuh, Duh nuh, Duh nuh nayayayayay<p>- Inflammation Uncovered - Mitochondrial Connection - Elusive Mitchondria - Elusive Inflammation - Mitochondria Uncovered ...
0x8BADF00D将近 7 年前
I wonder why we developed the STING protein in the first place. Was it perhaps an early form of immunity, or a precursor to an immune response?
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jgalvez将近 7 年前
Ray Peat anyone? :)
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