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Labor Board Backs Startup Engineers Fired for Unionizing

132 点作者 gingernaut超过 6 年前

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fogetti超过 6 年前
&gt; <i>Despite their futuristic sheen, tech companies “actually operate like traditional industrialists and will go through old fashioned methods of suppressing workers,” he says.</i><p>Spot on.
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geofft超过 6 年前
A little bit of a tangent, but,<p>&gt; <i>Earlier this month, after five years of organizing, security officers for companies including Facebook, Google, and Genentech, many of whom were making between $12 and $14 an hour, ratified their first union contract. They won wage increases of up to $1.20 per hour, better health care, and, for the first time, paid holidays.</i><p>How is this rational? Do Facebook and Google believe they are facing no advanced persistent threats capable of bribing someone who lives in the Bay Area on $12&#x2F;hour?
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zdragnar超过 6 年前
There was a very small detail that was almost overlooked in the article- it seemed like they were planning on keeping their more senior engineers and fire their junior ones.<p>&gt; The tipping point came in January, when management offered additional stock to a handful of high-level male engineers, including Westergard. Employees suspected Lanetix planned to fire lower-level female engineers, ...<p>On the one hand, this sounds to me like they&#x27;re probably struggling financially, and the unionization efforts would have put them in a worse spot. This is pure speculation, however, because the article kept focusing on the gender of the employees. Maybe that really is the story, but so many details were left out to focus on the narrative that we won&#x27;t know without better journalism.
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scarejunba超过 6 年前
You&#x27;ve got to be stupid to retaliate against workers unionizing. They&#x27;re going to get screwed.<p>I don&#x27;t think unionizing was going to save their jobs though. Looks like the business wasn&#x27;t doing too well, and they were trying to jettison their juniormost engineers. The whole thing was probably going to go under.
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dunpeal超过 6 年前
&gt; The tipping point came in January, when management offered additional stock to a handful of high-level male engineers, including Westergard. Employees suspected Lanetix planned to fire lower-level female engineers, many of whom graduated from Hackbright, an all women’s coding boot camp, as did the female engineer fired in November.<p>What&#x27;s the full story here?<p>Layoffs typically happen when a company has cashflow issues preventing it from meeting payroll. &quot;Low level&quot; (read: low paid) employees of any kind are _not_ the first on the chopping block, but on the contrary, the higher paid employees who each cost x3-4 times or more.<p>Moreover, why would they get rid of most&#x2F;all female engineers like that? Among other problems, that would expose them to an open-and-shut discrimination case, since sex is a protected class.<p>This, in conjunction with the fact they decided to pay the senior engineers even more, tells me there&#x27;s something more to this story.
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ma2rten超过 6 年前
<i>Tech companies used the same strategy in the 1970s, offering employees high salaries and sweet perks to make collective action less appetizing.</i><p>That doesn&#x27;t make sense to me... I think it&#x27;s more likely that tech workers get higher salaries because they were&#x2F;are in high demand, not to prevent unionization.<p><i>Employees suspected Lanetix planned to fire lower-level female engineers, many of whom graduated from Hackbright, an all women’s coding boot camp</i><p>I am generally skeptical about bootcamps. In my experience they typically only teach very specific skills, but don&#x27;t teach fundamental concepts. That makes it hard to pick up new skills, which is required from software engineers. Is it possible that this is the reason Lanetix was planning on firing them?<p>EDIT: I took a look at the website of Hackbright. I&#x27;m very skeptical about this bootcamp. The bootcamps is 16k for 12 weeks. They seem to teach full-stack programming in 8 weeks (python, flask, postgres, html, css, javascript, jquery, git). That gives students about a half a week per technology.<p>The last four weeks seem to be reserved only for interview prep and computer science fundamentals that are needed for interviews.<p>Their website implies that the skills they teach will empower students to work at famous tech companies, e.g. &quot;Companies that use Python include Google, Yelp and Dropbox to name a few. Mastering Python here will help you start thinking like an engineer. You can feel confident that you’ll walk out of the door ready to tackle any engineering role.&quot;.
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hyperpallium超过 6 年前
When the means of production is concentrated, some kind of worker combination is a logical response.<p>But we&#x27;re richer now, well-fed and well-entertained, so although the concentration is greater than ever (cf agrarian or industrial times), it&#x27;s not as motivating.
Apocryphon超过 6 年前
I&#x27;m firmly convinced that tech workers will come around to unionizing once they accidentally reinvent it under a different name
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shagie超过 6 年前
I know I saw some stuff on this in the past... so past articles (oldest to newest) for contexts<p>Joint Statement of Solidarity with Unjustly Fired Lanetix Workers<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=16293823" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=16293823</a> (3 comments)<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@techworkersco&#x2F;joint-statement-of-solidarity-with-unjustly-fired-lanetix-workers-354daaa4b306" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;@techworkersco&#x2F;joint-statement-of-solidar...</a><p>----<p>Lanetix engineers bring case to NLRB claiming firings were illegal retaliation<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=16469573" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=16469573</a> (1 comment)<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bloomberg.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;articles&#x2F;2018-02-26&#x2F;coders-want-to-unionize-with-help-from-trump" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.bloomberg.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;articles&#x2F;2018-02-26&#x2F;coders-wa...</a><p>----<p>Tech company Lanetix fired software engineers seeking to organize, union claims<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=16504247" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=16504247</a> (91 comments)<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sfchronicle.com&#x2F;business&#x2F;article&#x2F;SF-tech-company-fired-software-engineers-seeking-12541301.php" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sfchronicle.com&#x2F;business&#x2F;article&#x2F;SF-tech-company...</a><p>----<p>Software Engineers Fired for Attempt to Unionize<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=16815822" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=16815822</a> (10 comments)<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=16817501" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=16817501</a> (10 comments)<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jacobinmag.com&#x2F;2018&#x2F;04&#x2F;lanetix-tech-workers-unionization-campaign-firing&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;jacobinmag.com&#x2F;2018&#x2F;04&#x2F;lanetix-tech-workers-unioniza...</a><p>----<p>Labor Board Backs Startup Engineers (at Lanetix) Who Were Fired for Unionizing<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=17875865" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=17875865</a> (no comments)<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;labor-board-backs-startup-engineers-fired-unionizing&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;story&#x2F;labor-board-backs-startup-engine...</a>
adiusmus超过 6 年前
If you as a company have a HR department then complaining about unions is very hypocritical.
phront超过 6 年前
Not sure about it but why do they want to establish a union? History teaches us that trade unions are mafia-like structures. The cure that is much worse than the desease.
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