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A new kind of labor movement in Silicon Valley?

57 点作者 RobertSmith超过 6 年前

8 条评论

quotemstr超过 6 年前
This &quot;movement&quot; is not nearly as broad-based as the combination of loud online activism and press coverage suggests. The current social-media-fueled frenzied environment has a way of amplifying extreme views, and the concrete policy propodals from the &quot;ethics&quot; camp are extreme indeed.<p>It is not &quot;unethical&quot;, for example, among the huge majority of the population, to cooperate with law enforcement in matters of immigration --- but to listen to advocates, cloud hosting for these organizations is beyond the pale. Every proposal I&#x27;ve seen has a similar character. To these people, &quot;ethics&quot; isn&#x27;t about the timeline virtues of honesty and integrity. Instead, it&#x27;s deplatforming your ideological opponents, because in activist world, the only explanation for disagreement is intellectual or moral defect.<p>This whole effort is a thinly-disguised political power play, and large socially-important infrastructure companies should not play politics. These companies serve too important a role in society to allow themselves to be weilded as political tools by a loud and angry few.
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tboyd47超过 6 年前
You really don&#x27;t need to bring in politics to justify a programmer&#x27;s union, but if that&#x27;s the trigger that causes workers to organize, so be it.<p>Just off the top of my head, I can think of a number of entirely non-political ways a union could benefit tech workers:<p>1) Personalized ergonomic workspaces<p>2) Legal counsel on basic tech-related issues (patent law, non-compete clauses, sexual harassment, discrimination, etc.)<p>3) Training and career development<p>4) Representation to recruiters<p>5) Group health insurance, tax advice, equipment rentals for freelancers
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akshayB超过 6 年前
In case of using AI for drones and warfare I am glad that people decided to standup against it. Although there is a big moral question here the technology is there even some of the tools are open sourced. Google employees decided to raise their hand and say it is wrong but there is no checks if a dictator decided to make use of AI in a bad way. Technology is constantly evolving and there is no oversight when misuse happens. CEO&#x27;s will sign contracts like these as long as there is a big dollar sign attached to it.
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s09dfhks超过 6 年前
To play devil&#x27;s advocate, couldn&#x27;t these employees be terminated for refusing to do the job they were hired to do?
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htor超过 6 年前
what does &quot;blue-collar&quot; and &quot;white-collar&quot; mean?
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scarface74超过 6 年前
I am of two minds about immigration enforcement.<p>One on hand, I don’t have a problem with enforcing immigration laws.<p>On the other hand, I hate the demonization of “other” and immigration enforcement has turned into being more openly racially motivated than it ever has been before and this isn’t a Democrat vs Republican thing. None of the other Republican administrations have been like this one.<p>I hope the Romney&#x2F;Bush wing of the party can take back over. I can deal with “big business” Republicans even if I don’t agree with them on a lot of issues. I would love to have two sensible parties fighting over ideas or even more cynically which special interest they favor.
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mc32超过 6 年前
I don’t know of any country which is able to which does not enforce immigration policy, including Mexico, Canada, as well as Colombia, Brazil, Costa Rica, etc... Never mind Japan, Koreas, China, etc.
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throwawaysea超过 6 年前
I have to think the authors of articles selling the same point are participants in an activist cabal, because they keep pushing this narrative as if it is the dominant perspective and has momentum. But it&#x27;s not the dominant perspective and doesn&#x27;t have momentum. And except for the outrage machine of Twitter&#x2F;Vox[Recode]&#x2F;Atlantic&#x2F;Gizmodo&#x2F;etc. trying to stand up a positive feedback loop around this issue, we would probably have moved on. The number of participants in these efforts are so small and unrepresentative, to a point where it is not material and these companies should not change their direction. Based on what I&#x27;ve heard, Microsoft and Amazon have triple-digit participants at best. Google is where this vocal minority is most present, and they&#x27;re just in the low four-digit range (~3K per this article, out of ~100K employees).<p>There are FAR more employees who either do not share these same views or are OK with the company pursuing its own agenda independent of their personal political views. For example with workers not willing to build image recognition algorithms that assist&#x2F;augment the capabilities of joystick-drone-operators, I bet there are a much larger number that are totally willing to work on it, and they are signaling that by not participating in the protest even when it is socially&#x2F;professionally safe to do so.<p>As for the others - they&#x27;re just not screaming about it due to the intolerance exhibited by far-left progressives at these companies, especially with all the purposeful&#x2F;malicious leaking. And as a left progressive, I think that sort of behavior must be stopped and not tolerated.