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Show HN: My new SaaS side-project, after years of open source

229 点作者 artf超过 6 年前
Hi guys, I&#x27;ve created an open source web builder framework (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;grapesjs.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;grapesjs.com</a>) years ago, which I&#x27;m still maintaining, and now I&#x27;m excited to publish a side project based on it, Grapedrop (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;grapedrop.com" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;grapedrop.com</a>). It&#x27;s a simple web page builder which allows you to design and publish your web pages very quickly. The project is still in beta with a lot of stuff to improve but I&#x27;d really like to share it and hear what people think about it and maybe also get some constructive feedback.

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simplify超过 6 年前
Since GrapesJS is already open source I would seriously consider pointing users to that for the free plan instead of providing free hosting. Your service provides hosting; free is a little too much as it costs you money for likely little gain.<p>Alternatively you could put a time limit. &quot;Free 30 day trial&quot; or something.
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schneidmaster超过 6 年前
You should charge more :) Especially for your business plan -- any service targeted at enterprises should get you bare-minimum three figures of revenue per month, and you should look for a way to make it four or five, or have it scale up for large enterprises.<p>There are a few reasons for this:<p>1) The difference between $35 a month and $250 a month is a rounding error to most enterprises -- but for you, aggregated across all your business customers, it will make it much, much easier to grow and achieve profitability.<p>2) It&#x27;s easy to lower your prices if you receive consistent feedback that people really want your product but think it&#x27;s 30% too expensive or whatever. It&#x27;s very difficult to raise your prices once people are locked in at a lower monthly rate (especially if the rate is an order of magnitude lower than what you end up really needing to charge).<p>3) Businesses are used to paying a lot of money for software (sometimes up to seven or eight figures annually). For large enterprises, there is a counterintuitive psychological factor: they don&#x27;t trust something that costs $XX a month to reliably store their data and scale to their needs, and you&#x27;ll actually close more customers at $XXX or $XXXX a month.<p>4) Selling to enterprises is very costly -- they will (try to) run you through procurement, legal reviews, security reviews, terms of service negotiations, and a litany of other things. Your price point needs to take that cost into account -- you simply can&#x27;t make a profit from large enterprises if you have to spend a few thousand dollars of time&#x2F;resources getting them closed, and then you have to make it up $35 at a time.<p>Also, I agree with the other comment saying you shouldn&#x27;t offer a free plan, especially since your product is open source and they could self-host if they really wanted it. There&#x27;s an inversion of value -- free users still expect you to support them, and users in free&#x2F;cheap plans are often actually the noisiest for whatever reason. If I were you, I&#x27;d charge about $25&#x2F;mo for the basic feature set (maybe without the branding and with more than 50 form submissions); $99&#x2F;mo for the &quot;premium&quot; feature set; and &quot;call me&quot; for enterprises (hundreds to thousands a month depending on scale and commitment).
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bjohnso5超过 6 年前
Your subheading text &quot;Build and publish instantly your projects online&quot; reads a little strangely to me. I&#x27;d recommend re-wording that to &quot;Build and instantly publish your projects online&quot;.<p>Looks neat, though!
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encoderer超过 6 年前
1. Your homepage should give me a better sales pitch about what I can do with your product and why I need it, not just how I do it. Explain your value.<p>2. All content is focused at English audience except the pricing details. Use a dot decimal sign $12.34 not $12,34<p>3. I would make the connection to your open source project explicit. It’s an asset. Sentry.io does this well<p>Congrats on shipping!
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hardwaresofton超过 6 年前
Grapesjs is awesome software thanks for making it! I&#x27;ve been looking for a chance to use grapesjs in some projects but haven&#x27;t had the chance to yet but it looks fantastic -- it&#x27;s been bookmarked for a long time :).<p>I think it might be a good idea to further limit your free tier to a time trial (a week?) maybe rather than # of projects, and <i>maybe</i> adding a cheaper tier -- the ability to make a website with only drag and drop.<p>Some that you might consider competitors:<p>- <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.launchaco.com&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.launchaco.com&#x2F;</a><p>- <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;macaw.co&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;macaw.co&#x2F;</a> (not really)<p>- <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;landingi.com&#x2F;pricing" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;landingi.com&#x2F;pricing</a><p>Also, I&#x27;m not sure who your main audience is, but using &#x27;,&#x27; for a decimal point is not commonplace in the USA. I doubt any worthwhile customer would think it was $1,490 a month, but just saying.
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artworx超过 6 年前
FYI I got a &quot;Suspicious link&quot; popup from google when I clicked verify my email address.<p>&quot;Malicious emails often link to this site. Are you sure you want to proceed to go.sparkpostmail1.com?&quot;
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epaga超过 6 年前
Yay for upfront pricing!!! Reminds me of how much I HATE it when I arrive at a site only for them to be super coy about their pricing model. You did it the way I wish everyone did.
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gboone超过 6 年前
Regarding the &quot;number 1&quot; value proposition, and given your audience is the small-business type, creating the &quot;why&quot; from the &quot;what&quot; is normally a small step.<p>For example, the &quot;what&quot; is &quot;free forever&quot;, so the &quot;why&quot; is &quot;save money and not increase monthly software subscription fees, keep my budget in line with the size of my business, grow with you, etc.&quot; Just change the point of view, and you&#x27;ll get your why.<p>The &quot;what&quot;: super cool features that provide enough flexibility for the credit, but simple interface. The &quot;why&quot;: because small business is about <i>ideas</i>, and ideas need a <i>voice</i> and a <i>face</i>. And sometimes the idea is a quick one and I only have a few hours this weekend and the site needs to be done ASAP. Hope this helps you get the wheels turning.<p>My other feedback is styling: make the text not be aligned or sized so one word is left hanging below a full line. Check different phone screen layouts maybe? Just bugs me to look at. But I do like the overall color a lot. Nice!
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martinpinto超过 6 年前
This looks amazing! This is how a side-project should look like!
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dhumph超过 6 年前
One quick bit of feedback - i&#x27;m not as likely to try it out if i have to register first. Create a demo area where i can play, but not save and use that as bait for registration.
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philprx超过 6 年前
I&#x27;ve used it to build a very small landing page for a project, and here is the gist:<p>1. Very nice, fluid, rich way to edit.<p>2. When using Command + &lt;- (back arrow) on mac, equivalent to Alt Back Arrow, you should ask if you want to leave project, regardless if it was saved. First time users wont understand at first that you need to click many times in a text box to select THEN edit it, therefore they will not go to top of word&#x2F;sentence but instead they will leave the current project and go back to project creation or dashboardm, therefore creating frustation.<p>3. I had a very bad UX case: I went back to dashboard, and came back to upload logo, just to find that my text had been erased and replaced by the original LOREM IPSUM text (effectively, I LOST my write-up work). I believe this is a history navigation issue, but the result is that I lost my page. I could get around this and correct the damage because I had published the evolved version earlier and did not refresh my published page, but you need to check this as this is a deal-breaker when you&#x27;re authoring.<p>This is a great tool and if you keep the excellent look and feel, reliability both in UX and hosting if you get it is going to be the make or break part of the equation.<p>Good luck, and count me in if you need debug and assistance.
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goddamnsteve超过 6 年前
This is beautiful, and love the concept. Of course, the sales pitch and the product design could be improved.<p>Might want to add them here: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hellonext.co" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;hellonext.co</a>
factsaresacred超过 6 年前
Nice work. But the font on Chrome is painful to read. Font-weight 500 instead of 200 and 16.5px font-size (for example) would be an improvement.<p>Also a example page showing the awesome stuff people can build would be nice.
burnt1ce超过 6 年前
Great product. I love the fact it&#x27;s free and open source. Thank you!
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milanmot超过 6 年前
I really like the website and the concept. All the best for it.<p>Just one feedback. The font on the pricing section is too blurred and not readable.
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Aeolun超过 6 年前
I think it might be a good idea to increase your business&#x2F;enterprise pricing. As it is, it feels to cheap (e.g. too close to the first paid plan) to be any good.<p>Besides, business users going for the business instead of premium plan are going to be mostly price insensitive anyway (who needs more than 50 websites?!)
stanislavb超过 6 年前
Good job and good luck, mate! I&#x27;ve submitted it to SaaSHub. Who would you name as your top competitors?
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realty_geek超过 6 年前
Awesome, congratulations. Really like what you&#x27;ve done with grapesjs - thanks for all the hard work!!!
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matt_the_bass超过 6 年前
Following up on the comments of many people about not offering a free tier, would it be possible to make your system easy to clone on github AND run from a GitHub hosted site? If so, this could solve the question of you paying to host free accounts.
fabricexpert超过 6 年前
This looks awesome, I actually used grapesjs in a project earlier this year and it was really cool.<p>However I don&#x27;t understand what this is? What&#x27;s the output? A hosted website or some html? What would I use this for?
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HyprMusic超过 6 年前
Looks great, I love the demo of using it for building email newsletters. Perhaps that could be a nice use to target in your marketing, maybe even integrate with some other email tools (i.e. Litmus).
minhaj3超过 6 年前
I remember when I was learning web development and bootstrap particularly, I always used to dream about building something like this.
catskul2超过 6 年前
IMO the font choices on the sites include some that are <i>way</i> too narrow&#x2F;faint. Hard to read on both Chrome and Firefox.
slow_donkey超过 6 年前
Looks really cool. Will have to check out when I&#x27;m not on mobile but at first glance seems like a great prototyping too as well
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userSumo超过 6 年前
hi, i would just want to ask a few questions if that&#x27;s ok.<p>i see you use ck editor, how was integrating it with page builder? because i was making something similar some time ago and it was a pain to find a solution for inline editor. and how do you host users projects ? i mean is it all in one one virtual machine or something?
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willwinger超过 6 年前
I have used GrapeJs, it is a very well architected tool. Your new project will sure be more successful!
dawie超过 6 年前
Our corporate firewall blocks your url as &quot;porn&quot;<p>The fact that your ssl cert is not working is also a concern
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killa_kyle超过 6 年前
I really like grapesjs, using it as a newsletter builder. Good luck on grapedrop.
teknopurge超过 6 年前
looks great - keep up the solid work.
sigi45超过 6 年前
Nice! But why is free without tls? :|
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