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US military grounds entire fleet of F-35 jets

112 点作者 joering2超过 6 年前

15 条评论

ChuckMcM超过 6 年前
Most people reading will recognize that it is a standard procedure to ground everything until you understand the risk. In this case the risk is a faulty fuel line, and apparently there is a test that will let you know in the field if you have it or not so you can return the plane to service immediately if the test comes up negative.<p>There is a remarkable amount of disinformation that is spread around about this plane. My father (who is ex-Air Force) assumes it is because it is so far beyond what &quot;opposing&quot; forces can field they will do anything to delay its operation. I don&#x27;t know where it comes from but I do not that the relative transparency of the US procurement process makes it easy to talk about problems which are later addressed and never return. You can compare that to a more secretive system where all of the kinks are worked out behind the curtain and the end product is presented ready to fly. It &quot;feels&quot; better from a marketing sense but I haven&#x27;t read anything that suggests the Russians or the Chinese have any fewer issues when they build a bunch of new technology into a plane, it just gets reported on less.
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3rdAccount超过 6 年前
Does anybody in the industry know why there was a push to move away from specific role planes that excel in one area to ones that can do any area decently? I know in theory that there would be savings having one platform, but making one jet modular for 3 different roles is seeming to be more difficult than just designing 3 different jets. It can&#x27;t beat the EuroFighter in a dog fight and can&#x27;t match the stealth bomber for ordinance carried (actually a guess...please correct me if wrong) and can&#x27;t match the A-10 for ground support. It just seems like a massive mistake that is now too big to fail.
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kibwen超过 6 年前
Over a trillion dollars over 28 years. There are about 250 million U.S. taxpayers. That&#x27;s $150 out of the pocket of every single taxpayer, every year, <i>just</i> to cover the cost of this one monumentally embarrassing failure. If you&#x27;re a U.S. citizen born after 1974, you&#x27;ve been setting fire to this money annually for your entire adult life. No value has been provided other than as a government subsidy to military contractors, and if the whole point is just to transfer wealth to military contractors then we might as well just call it a subsidy and have them sit on their hands rather than continually embarrass us with their empirical incompetence. It&#x27;s hard not to seethe with rage at the thought of all the better things that this money could have been spent on. I look forward to wasting my tax dollars on this boondoggle for the rest of my life.
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netcan超过 6 年前
At the turn of the century, the Wright brothers were building their bicycle planes.<p>Within 10 years, by the start of WW1 there were triplanes fit for war use. By the end of the war, Germany had metal planes with a single wing... not all that different from a modern crop duster.<p>Amazing what the competitive (and &quot;save our nation&quot;) pressure of an industrial war can do.<p>Immediately after the great war, helicopters and all sorts of new planes were invented. By the time WW2 rolled around 20 years later, there were Spitfires &amp; heavy bombers. Japan had floating airports. The sky became the place where land, naval and air battles were won or lost.<p>The pace kept up in the generation after the war. Jet engines. 3 generations of jet fighters, each outclassing the last. Airliners more or less like modern ones. The f-15 is still The Cavalary. 747s are not out of place in a modern airport. 1967 &amp; 1977 respectively.<p>50 years of peace, 50 years of stagnation.<p>This is a lesson about people and a lesson about progress.
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zip1234超过 6 年前
Former Air Force here. Standard thing. Not big news.
raverbashing超过 6 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;MikeRoach3&#x2F;status&#x2F;1015212921071329281" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;MikeRoach3&#x2F;status&#x2F;1015212921071329281</a>
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signa11超过 6 年前
sensationalist headlines at best. grounding is temporary for 24-48 hours due to crash in sc
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dralley超过 6 年前
For 24-48 hours.
nkantar超过 6 年前
I haven&#x27;t been paying any specific attention to F-35 news, but I can only ever recall reading negative press.<p>I know this particular project has been extra troubled, but is that the norm for new military vessels&#x2F;vehicles?
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jostmey超过 6 年前
Quote: &quot;The US government&#x27;s accountability office estimates all costs associated with the project will amount to one trillion dollars.&quot;<p>What a waste. The money could be better spent, and I&#x27;m not referring to spending money on something better than a weapons system. That money could buy a lot more gun-power that a buggy fleet of fighter planes that will soon be soon with the rise of drones.
SubiculumCode超过 6 年前
I hope they are also assessing the risk posed by hardware supply line hacks, regardless if the Bloomsberg article is factual. There are other concerns... <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;foreignpolicy.com&#x2F;2018&#x2F;10&#x2F;09&#x2F;many-u-s-weapons-systems-are-vulnerable-to-cyberattack&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;foreignpolicy.com&#x2F;2018&#x2F;10&#x2F;09&#x2F;many-u-s-weapons-system...</a>
1024core超过 6 年前
&gt; The crash in South Carolina involved an F-35B, which is able to land vertically and costs around $100m<p>And earlier it mentions a total cost of the program of 1 trillion dollars. So we&#x27;d have to sell at least 10000 planes to have any hope of recouping the costs??
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clircle超过 6 年前
Are there any good, dedicated DoD blogs&#x2F;websites? Most of the stuff I read about defense comes from more general news sites.
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OverLoadGenius超过 6 年前
Probably the biggest engineering project fiasco of modern times.<p>The money invested in this F-35 project could probably solve the homeless problem.
DJBunnies超过 6 年前
If only it were permanent.
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