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Salesforce CEO: tech billionaires 'hoard their money' and won't help homeless

61 点作者 apengwin超过 6 年前

16 条评论

dymk超过 6 年前
The current budget is $300 million per year for homeless relief in SF. There&#x27;s approximately 8000 homless in SF.<p>300000000 &#x2F; 8000 =&gt; $37,500 per individual per year.<p>How is the problem getting <i>so much worse</i> with almost $40k per year being spent on <i>each</i> individual homeless person? Where is that money going? How are these programs so inefficient that $40k spent on bulk relief is ineffective?<p>Why does anyone think that just increasing that number per person is going to solve anything, without a detailed plan about how to spend it?<p>Given the above, it&#x27;s entirely rational to oppose Prop C, which doesn&#x27;t provide details, transparency, or accountability about how the money will be spent.
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ghobs91超过 6 年前
While I don&#x27;t doubt billionaires hoard money, I think trying to solve this with taxes is misguided. They should look at the stats showing how many homeless ended up in that situation because of rising rents.<p>I&#x27;d be willing to bet NIMBY antics are a large cause of this problem. SF metro area has the 4th highest rate of homeless people per capita, I have to imagine absurdly high rents is a part of it.<p>SF politicians don&#x27;t want to admit this because of the donations&#x2F;support they receive from NIMBY groups, but they are very clearly the cause of many problems in the bay area, whether its housing or slow transit expansion. It&#x27;s especially ironic that such a &quot;progressive&quot; area would be so rife with elitism and gate keeping.
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theptip超过 6 年前
Wikipedia says there are ~7k homeless people in SF [1]. We are spending $250m&#x2F;year [2]. That&#x27;s $35k per person. At $3k&#x2F;mo we could be housing everyone at market rate in SF studios, or housing them somewhere cheaper plus paying them a basic income to cover food &amp; clothing.<p>I may be thinking about this wrong, but it seems like doubling our spend might be a bad idea when we&#x27;re doing so badly with what we&#x27;re spending already. (Interested in input from folks that actually know how these numbers compare to other cities&#x27; spending).<p>However if we&#x27;re actually doing well with the money we&#x27;re spending (e.g. comparison to other cities is favourable) then absolutely let&#x27;s increase the spend. I&#x27;m a little suspicious about the &quot;let&#x27;s tax the tech companies&quot; mentality though; why not just a progressive individual income tax? (Or a moratorium on tax breaks for companies?) If we treat the tech companies like a piggy bank, then we&#x27;ll eventually drive them away, and the whole region will be much less well off.<p>[1]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Homelessness_in_the_San_Francisco_Bay_Area#San_Francisco" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Homelessness_in_the_San_Franci...</a> [2]: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sfchronicle.com&#x2F;bayarea&#x2F;article&#x2F;29-million-increase-for-San-Francisco-12902707.php" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.sfchronicle.com&#x2F;bayarea&#x2F;article&#x2F;29-million-incre...</a>
ForrestN超过 6 年前
&#x27;Benioff also criticized Stripe, a payment platform and another major San Francisco tech firm opposing Prop C. The company claimed the measure lacked a “comprehensive plan” for spending in a recent op-ed and has also given more than $400,000 to a campaign fighting the measure, making it the largest donor.&#x27;<p>As a company with deep connections to HN, I for one hope that the Stripe staff active here are doing everything they can to challenge this embarrassing activity by their company. A good start would be to publicly express your opinion about this sort of lobbying here on HN.<p>These companies benefit hugely from government subsidies in various forms, and really the least they could do is abstain from using their tremendous power and resources to manipulate the government into making decisions that favor their bottom lines.<p>The Stripe founders are entitled to whatever backwards, selfish position they want to take, but they shouldn&#x27;t be spending $400,000 on behalf of the company (a community of people) to try to buy a given policy outcome.<p>More broadly, it&#x27;s sad that even the progressive mayor feels the need to make policy decisions based on fear that massively wealthy tech firms will punish the city if they ask them to pay a slightly fairer share of shared expenses. What we need is a cultural change, away from &quot;anything that drives profit is justifiable&quot; to &quot;successful companies that side with their own profits against the public interest should be ashamed.&quot;
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Zhenya超过 6 年前
I literally spit on my keyboard:<p>A yes vote is a vote in favor of authorizing the city and county of San Francisco to fund housing and homelessness services by taxing certain businesses at the following rates: 0.175 percent to 0.69 percent on gross receipts for businesses with over $50 million in gross annual receipts, or 1.5 percent of payroll expense for certain businesses with over $1 billion in gross annual receipts and administrative offices in San Francisco<p>If your business is low margin, high gross collectibles, this will KILL your business.<p>Transaction and retail companies will get murdered.
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acchow超过 6 年前
This tax is supposed to generate $250-300 million per year. This is a crazy amount of money for a 47 sq mile city with 885k people.<p>Say you hand out this $300 million to people. Without building any more housing, this would clearly just raise rental prices with almost no change in homelessness.<p>Say you try to build 1000 new units of housing and pay out $300 million to the jobs created in that process. The people with these new jobs being given this $300m would drive up rental prices and shift a different group of people onto the street who can&#x27;t afford the higher costs anymore.<p>Suppose you have rent control to try to avoid that shift. Then where will the people doing these newly created jobs live? There&#x27;s a housing shortage throughout the entire bay area. They will probably have to commute huge distances.<p>You can&#x27;t just build housing for homeless. You need to build more housing for everything else in the chain too.
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pg_bot超过 6 年前
I think Benioff&#x27;s biggest character flaw is that he doesn&#x27;t do any analysis past the point where it supports his political position. Instead of understanding the root cause of the problem he has his solution in hand and castigates anyone else who disagrees.<p>Prop C is bad public policy because it does nothing to prevent homelessness, which is what San Franciscans should care most about. The homeless problem has been caused by the government distorting the housing marketplace. Allow people to build housing and get rid of rent control and the problem will solve itself.<p>I think Benioff should be open to listening to other people instead of being so adversarial.
kenferry超过 6 年前
Because I looked it up: the sf chronicle endorses &quot;no&quot; on prop C (so opposite of Benioff).<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;projects.sfchronicle.com&#x2F;2018&#x2F;november-elections-guide&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;projects.sfchronicle.com&#x2F;2018&#x2F;november-elections-gui...</a>
jarjoura超过 6 年前
Progressives in the city are quick to demonize Breed for calling out that the proposition doesn&#x27;t add any kind of accountability to the funds. Yet, I bet if the proposition added a 1% sales tax, or general city tax applied to all residents, suddenly those same progressives would go silent.<p>It&#x27;s so easy to sit on your butts and complain that Dorsey and the Collisons aren&#x27;t doing more to help the homeless, but then to not call out SF&#x27;s shitty non-profit grant system that makes the current funds hard to trace. Trust me, every single person in this city would be all over a concrete plan to fix the problem. I just don&#x27;t think taxing the biggest businesses is going to do anything except make it more expensive to run your business in SF.
refurb超过 6 年前
The one thing I don’t like is how when someone becomes super rich, suddenly their opinion becomes super important.<p>Benioff’s opinions are no more important than your next door neighbor’s.<p>Even though Benioff May be worth billions, he still only has one vote.
jlmorton超过 6 年前
Link (PDF) to the City&#x27;s economic analysis of Proposition C: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sfcontroller.org&#x2F;sites&#x2F;default&#x2F;files&#x2F;Documents&#x2F;Economic%20Analysis&#x2F;hgrt_economic_impact_final.pdf" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;sfcontroller.org&#x2F;sites&#x2F;default&#x2F;files&#x2F;Documents&#x2F;Econo...</a>.
bfrog超过 6 年前
While my large metro center has homeless, compared to the west coast cities its nothing. It was a humanitarian crisis 10 years ago. Today its a caste system.
taurath超过 6 年前
One of the primary properties of the tech boom (and, lets face it, almost all industrialized capitalism) is that it doesn&#x27;t account for nor take responsibility for side effects of their overwhelming wealth. Some are even convinced that its a net positive and nothing should be done - despite the fact that the winners are investors and the upper class employees, and the losers are those adjacent who have to move 2 hours away. Maybe shame will get some people to budge, but I think the decision makers such as Jack&#x2F;etc are so far away from being able to empathize with the people that are harmed that there&#x27;s no real chance.<p>Also slightly amusing: Jack doesn&#x27;t think that this is the &quot;best&quot; way to solve homelessness. Whats the best way, since clearly he knows about it, and why isn&#x27;t he doing it?
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qubax超过 6 年前
Not just tech billionaires.
kenneth超过 6 年前
I&#x27;m really not a fan of the entitlement attitude that we should just take money from the rich to fix our self-inflicted problems.
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emcarey超过 6 年前
Marc Benioff is one of Paul Ryan&#x27;s big donors.... maybe he should start paying taxes with action instead of talking about it in self serving press interviews
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