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If you want to understand Silicon Valley, watch Silicon Valley

855 点作者 trequartista超过 6 年前

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snowwrestler超过 6 年前
Amazing anecdote from a 2016 New Yorker article on the show:<p>&gt; During one visit to Google’s headquarters, in Mountain View, about six writers sat in a conference room with Astro Teller, the head of GoogleX, who wore a midi ring and kept his long hair in a ponytail. “Most of our research meetings are fun, but this one was uncomfortable,” Kemper told me....<p>&gt; “He claimed he hadn’t seen the show, and then he referred many times to specific things that had happened on the show,” Kemper said. “His message was, ‘We don’t do stupid things here. We do things that actually are going to change the world, whether you choose to make fun of that or not.’ ” (Teller could not be reached for comment.)<p>&gt; Teller ended the meeting by standing up in a huff, but his attempt at a dramatic exit was marred by the fact that he was wearing Rollerblades. He wobbled to the door in silence. “Then there was this awkward moment of him fumbling with his I.D. badge, trying to get the door to open,” Kemper said. “It felt like it lasted an hour. We were all trying not to laugh. Even while it was happening, I knew we were all thinking the same thing: Can we use this?” In the end, the joke was deemed “too hacky to use on the show.”<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.newyorker.com&#x2F;culture&#x2F;culture-desk&#x2F;how-silicon-valley-nails-silicon-valley" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.newyorker.com&#x2F;culture&#x2F;culture-desk&#x2F;how-silicon-v...</a>
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ibudiallo超过 6 年前
A few months ago I wrote a certain story here and to my surprise I received a call from Dan Lyons, one of the writers of the show. We had long discussions about silicon valley and his new book coming out (I&#x27;m featured in it). A few weeks ago he was in LA and we had another long discussion about the show.<p>Silicon Valley is the show most startup founders will refuse to watch. My startup was featured on TechCrunch Disrupt, we were on stage talking about how we will change the world with our product. Then things didn&#x27;t particularly go as planed.<p>I discovered the show and started watching it shortly after. It was painful to see that they portrayed our exact journey as it happened. Only the show poked fun of the mistakes we were making. I watched it not only as a comedy, but also as a documentary that would predict our fate. It was eye-opening!<p>My favorite part (and most humiliating) was when we pitched our startup to a non-silicon valley investor and she simply replied: &quot;OK, cut the crap. Which website are you scraping?&quot;<p>All my co-founders were offended by the show. I must admit, its painful to watch someone else make fun of the things you put your heart to. But from time to time, someone has to make fun of you or you start to take yourself too seriously.<p>If you are trying to make it in silicon valley, please watch the show. At best, it will help you make your startup more grounded.
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swampthinker超过 6 年前
My favorite Silicon Valley anecdote:<p>&quot;During the review process once the footage [of Techcrunch Disrupt] was woven in, another editor criticized the crowd shots for not featuring any women and blamed Berg for the oversight.<p>&#x27;...Those were real shots of the real place, and we didn&#x27;t frame women out.The world we&#x27;re depicting is f---ed up.&#x27; said Berg&quot;<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;amp&#x2F;s&#x2F;amp.businessinsider.com&#x2F;hbos-silicon-valley-had-diversity-problems-at-techcrunch-disrupt-2016-3" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;amp&#x2F;s&#x2F;amp.businessinsider.com&#x2F;hbos-si...</a><p>Sorry for the amp link, the main page was broken.
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ng12超过 6 年前
I always describe Silicon Valley (the show) as being solidly in the Uncanny Valley (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Uncanny_valley" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Uncanny_valley</a>). It&#x27;s humorous and absurd, but at the same time so close to reality it&#x27;s unsettling.
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slivym超过 6 年前
It&#x27;s quite amazing how good a job Silicon Valley does considering how badly wrong it could go (I&#x27;m looking at you Big Bang Theory). I&#x27;m sure there are quite a few industries that could have similar comedies about them from people who really know what the industry is like. W1A is another great example.
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jpm_sd超过 6 年前
This is a pretty great article on the same subject from the New Yorker in 2016.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.newyorker.com&#x2F;culture&#x2F;culture-desk&#x2F;how-silicon-valley-nails-silicon-valley" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.newyorker.com&#x2F;culture&#x2F;culture-desk&#x2F;how-silicon-v...</a><p>My favorite part:<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;<p>During one visit to Google’s headquarters, in Mountain View, about six writers sat in a conference room with Astro Teller, the head of GoogleX, who wore a midi ring and kept his long hair in a ponytail. “Most of our research meetings are fun, but this one was uncomfortable,” Kemper told me. GoogleX is the company’s “moonshot factory,” devoted to projects, such as self-driving cars, that are difficult to build but might have monumental impact. Hooli, a multibillion-dollar company on “Silicon Valley,” bears a singular resemblance to Google. (The Google founder Larry Page, in Fortune: “We’d like to have a bigger impact on the world by doing more things.” Hooli’s C.E.O., in season two: “I don’t want to live in a world where someone makes the world a better place better than we do.”) The previous season, Hooli had launched HooliXYZ, its own “moonshot factory,” whose experiments were slapstick absurdities: monkeys who use bionic arms to masturbate; powerful cannons for launching potatoes across a room. “He claimed he hadn’t seen the show, and then he referred many times to specific things that had happened on the show,” Kemper said. “His message was, ‘We don’t do stupid things here. We do things that actually are going to change the world, whether you choose to make fun of that or not.’ ” (Teller could not be reached for comment.)<p>Teller ended the meeting by standing up in a huff, but his attempt at a dramatic exit was marred by the fact that he was wearing Rollerblades. He wobbled to the door in silence. “Then there was this awkward moment of him fumbling with his I.D. badge, trying to get the door to open,” Kemper said. “It felt like it lasted an hour. We were all trying not to laugh. Even while it was happening, I knew we were all thinking the same thing: Can we use this?” In the end, the joke was deemed “too hacky to use on the show.”
danans超过 6 年前
Love the show partly for how deeply researched its identity and culturally driven jokes are. Here are a few:<p>Erlich passing Dinesh off as Latino to get a deal on a graffiti logo design:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=hSzmVFF58Mo" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=hSzmVFF58Mo</a><p>Dinesh recounting to a puzzled Gilfolye about how he was a &quot;cool&quot; kid back in Pakistan, and why:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=qKz0M6SmQ8c" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=qKz0M6SmQ8c</a><p>The latter one, in particular, implies that the writers had a deeper than average understanding of the different youth cultures of the US and South Asian cultures at a particular time in history.
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corysama超过 6 年前
I love the running joke that the main characters work on fake technobabble, but the background companies (particularly the TechCrunch episode) are babbling about stuff that sounds fake but is real tech. “Making the world a better place through Paxos distributed consensus!”
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garmaine超过 6 年前
I find it hits a bit close to home, so much so as to ruin the comedy sometimes... it’d be funny if it weren’t so true, which is depressing.<p>Still watch it, and love it though. And super impressed that a Hollywood production finally understood Northern California. That never happens (see: The Social Network, Hackers, every Steve Jobs movie, etc.)
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smsm42超过 6 年前
I love the show, but there&#x27;s a lot of things that Silicon Valley is that it does not cover. It&#x27;s not the fault of the show - it probably would be much worse if it did. But some aspects of SV - like how much it is integrated into the big politics and yet how much they try to downplay it and make it look like their behemoth companies are just young and agile rebels playing this new Internet thing, as if it were the early 90s... Or how monocultural and group-thinky many places are, and how office politics often becomes more important than tech (but don&#x27;t tell this to anyone, we&#x27;re not like those old industries!) SV series kinda touches on this, but only lightly, mostly concentrating on things around tech. It probably makes for a much better show.
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Apocryphon超过 6 年前
It’s pretty crazy how the real SV has been obligingly giving the real show new material since it first debuted, with ever-increasing excess, quixotic ventures in search of markets, worsening scandals, and externalities everywhere!
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nathan_f77超过 6 年前
&gt; Somebody gets an idea almost right, but not quite, and their business fails; then someone else does it just a little bit better and they are viewed as a genius for the rest of their life.<p>I&#x27;m still thinking about this comment about Fieldbook shutting down [1], and the &quot;What Happened at Fieldbook&quot; [2] article:<p>&gt; In contrast, our closest competitor, Airtable, seems to be getting more traction.<p>Was really sad to read that.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=18461395" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=18461395</a><p>[2] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;the-fieldbook-blog&#x2F;what-happened-at-fieldbook-d70bf25b3968" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;medium.com&#x2F;the-fieldbook-blog&#x2F;what-happened-at-field...</a>
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jancsika超过 6 年前
&gt; It’s more fun to root for the underdog.<p>Outside of dumb luck, I don&#x27;t see a plot arc that favors Richard&#x27;s team at all.<p>Especially when one of the overarching themes is that over the seasons the &quot;underdog&quot; throws friends under the bus, hacks competitors, rents a botnet, lies, commit fraud, and all kinds of other abuses.<p>What&#x27;s the difference between Richard dumping a gf because she uses spaces and Gavin screwing over Jack because Jack wanted to get dropped off first from the private plane? The only difference I see is that Richard&#x27;s narcissism doesn&#x27;t come with the weight of a $100 billion company behind it.<p>Richard&#x27;s bad behavior comes off as less jarring because almost all of the time he has considerably less power than Gavin. Richard doesn&#x27;t have a wall of lawyers who he can casually probe about assassinating a foe. Gavin does.<p>Edit: clarification
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imgabe超过 6 年前
King of the Hill has also resurfaced on Hulu recently after not being available to stream anywhere. Mike Judge has a real talent for nailing essence of a culture.
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felipesoc超过 6 年前
I always like to compare Silicon Valley to The Big Bang Theory. TBBT seems like a parody of the stereotype of the people they are parodying while SV is a true parody. I&#x27;m always thinking &quot;haha, that&#x27;s so true&quot; when watching SV, but never while watching TBBT.
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Brimstone超过 6 年前
I believe that some of the genius of the show has to go to Dan Lyons as well. He worked at HubSpot for a stint and wrote a book about it called &quot;Disrupted&quot; (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Disrupted-My-Misadventure-Start-Up-Bubble&#x2F;dp&#x2F;0316306096" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.amazon.com&#x2F;Disrupted-My-Misadventure-Start-Up-Bu...</a>). Really funny, in a sad way.
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dekhn超过 6 年前
I asked my friend if he watched it (I don&#x27;t) and he said it hit too close to home. I nodded, then he added &quot;... because I&#x27;m a consultant for the show, and every year they meet with us and we give them ideas from our jobs and things to put in scenes&quot;
wingkongex超过 6 年前
Dan Lyons, author of &quot;Disrupted,&quot; is also on the writing staff for the show. Not quite Silicon Valley but if you read the book, some of the stuff from his time at Hubspot makes it into the show.<p>Judge surrounded himself with a lot of different perspectives on all of this.
adtac超过 6 年前
Bill posted this on &#x2F;r&#x2F;SiliconValleyHBO: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;old.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;SiliconValleyHBO&#x2F;comments&#x2F;9yh7dp&#x2F;who_wore_it_better&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;old.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;SiliconValleyHBO&#x2F;comments&#x2F;9yh7dp&#x2F;wh...</a><p>I like to think he photoshopped it in his spare time lol.
adoago超过 6 年前
Pied Piper has the Conjoined Triangles of Success. Asana has... <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wavelength.asana.com&#x2F;pyramid-clarity-strategic-alignment&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;wavelength.asana.com&#x2F;pyramid-clarity-strategic-align...</a>
wturner超过 6 年前
Dan Lyons, one of the writers of the show recently wrote a new book titled &quot;Lab Rats: How Silicon Valley Made Work Miserable for the Rest of Us ...&quot;
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saagarjha超过 6 年前
I mean, he&#x27;s not really from Silicon Valley, so I guess we should take his viewpoint with a grain of salt ;)<p>&gt; I have friends in Silicon Valley who refuse to watch the show because they think it’s just making fun of them.<p>But yeah, it&#x27;s good to take a look at satire of yourself once in a while. Often they can tell you stuff that you may have overlooked, and generally they&#x27;re not too hurtful when doing so.
Zelphyr超过 6 年前
Maybe it’s longing for byegone days on my part but it feels like the atmosphere of the Valley and tech in general has changed so much so quickly that my head is spinning.<p>It feels, well, not fun anymore a lot of the time. Development by copy-and-paste and gluing other peoples code together to arrive at a half-baked solution instead of exploring the code to try to understand it as a system so the solution you arrive at is the most effective that time and skill permit.<p>Being more infatuated with nerd culture than building something great. (I see this a LOT!) Chasing dollars instead of knowledge. And, don’t get me wrong; it’s ok to want to make money. Even a lot of it. But that should be the icing on the cake of solving real problems.<p>I feel like we used to do this stuff because it was what we loved to do. But now it feels like too many people do it because they want to look cool and&#x2F;or they want a lot of money. The romance is dying.
cutler超过 6 年前
You might also like &quot;Nathan Barley (2005)&quot; - a savage British TV parody of the mid-2000s startup scene in Shoreditch, London.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=Rqfkuc5mawg&amp;list=PLTM-Dbun10Dp86u1TzEKkRkPNqvb0Qt2k" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=Rqfkuc5mawg&amp;list=PLTM-Dbun10...</a>
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localhost超过 6 年前
Dan, &quot;Fake Steve Jobs&quot; Lyons also worked as a consultant for Silicon Valley.
pkaye超过 6 年前
Silicon Valley is more than just Web 2.0 companies. If you went to an average ASIC company I doubt it would this crazy.
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dudul超过 6 年前
I found that the first few seasons (maybe first 2 or 3) did a great job at parodying the Valley. They were truly uncanny to watch for me sometimes, and I don&#x27;t even live in SF.<p>The past few years, the quality degraded significantly IMO. It mostly turned into &quot;The Office but with developers and geeks!!&quot; - which doesn&#x27;t make it a bad show, but not as witty and thought provoking. I wonder if it&#x27;s past the point where it needs to reach a wider audience, just like any other show.
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PopeDotNinja超过 6 年前
HBO&#x27;s Silicon Valley isn&#x27;t a comdedy, it&#x27;s a documentary. I&#x27;ve met archetype on that show, and have been a couple of them myself.
justifier超过 6 年前
&gt; Even a huge believer in technology like me has to laugh when some character talks about how they’re going to change the world with an app that tells you whether what you’re eating is a hot dog or not.<p>sorry bill but one could argue in a round about way that andrej karpathy did do just that ;P<p>the hot dog identifying app is one of my favourite examples of how spot on the show is<p>here(o) is a question i asked to one of the show&#x27;s technical consultants whether the choice of &#x27;not hotdog&#x27; was a reference to one of karpathy&#x27;s early demos(i||ii)<p>timanglade&gt; Ha seems like a fun coincidence.<p>(o) <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=14639161" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;news.ycombinator.com&#x2F;item?id=14639161</a> the yt link is now a dead link.. use either of the below<p>(i) <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=u6aEYuemt0M&amp;t=465" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=u6aEYuemt0M&amp;t=465</a> ; Title: Deep Learning for Computer Vision (Andrej Karpathy, OpenAI) ; Desc: The talks at the Deep Learning School on September 24&#x2F;25, 2016 were amazing. I clipped out individual talks from the full live streams and provided links to each below in case that&#x27;s useful for people who want to watch specific talks several times (like I do).<p>(ii) <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=eyovmAtoUx0&amp;t=5787" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=eyovmAtoUx0&amp;t=5787</a> ; timestamped from the full stream; Title: Bay Area Deep Learning School Day 1 at CEMEX auditorium, Stanford ; Desc: Day 1 of Bay Area Deep Learning School featuring speakers Hugo Larochelle, Andrej Karpathy, Richard Socher, Sherry Moore, Ruslan Salakhutdinov and Andrew Ng. ;
Symbiote超过 6 年前
&gt; This kind of back-channel relationship—satirists texting casually with the satirized—is a departure from much of comedic history.<p>_Yes, Minister_, which satirizes the British government, supposedly had close access to several people in government, though it was probably careful rather than casual.<p>The clips on Youtube are all distorted, don&#x27;t bother with them, but find S01E04 &quot;Big Brother&quot;.
pier25超过 6 年前
Mike Judge, one of the show runners, was in the valley during the 80s so it makes sense that there would be some truth.
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christophilus超过 6 年前
Reminds me of this talk by a reporter turned startup employee turned author: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=G7vrCpWbmDw" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtube.com&#x2F;watch?v=G7vrCpWbmDw</a><p>One of the funniest things I’ve seen, while also being sad, because it’s so true.
VikingCoder超过 6 年前
Silicon Valley<p>The Internship<p>The Circle<p>It&#x27;s possible to get a somewhat accurate view from watching these, but you have to know which parts to completely ignore. I kind of wish there were &quot;this is accurate&quot; edits of those shows and movies.
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selimthegrim超过 6 年前
The Lena easter egg in plain sight was amusing during a few episodes<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Lenna" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Lenna</a>
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Nuance超过 6 年前
I wonder what Bill Gates thinks of the character Jack Barker.
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tnolet超过 6 年前
People who enjoy Silicon Valley should read the book Disrupted. The writer went on join the writers at Silicon Valley.
Stratoscope超过 6 年前
So how does one subscribe to this show without subscribing to HBO? I looked at their website and don&#x27;t see anything else I would want to watch. I really want to watch Silicon Valley, but that&#x27;s the only thing HBO offers that I&#x27;m interested in. Can I buy just this one show from them?
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newnewpdro超过 6 年前
Office Space, Idiocracy, and Silicon Valley. It&#x27;s practically a NatGeo series about the USA.
blimey74超过 6 年前
If you like Silicon Valley check out The IT Crowd, also equally hilarious take on the world of IT.
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zby超过 6 年前
What is the best way to watch it online?<p>I have bought Netflix subscription - but I am dissapointed now - the library of historic films available for me (in Poland) is very small and the current productions are kind of mechanistic. And no SV in Netflix.
orarbel1超过 6 年前
Everything you need to know about how Silicon Valley funding works in a little over a minute <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;BzAdXyPYKQo" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;youtu.be&#x2F;BzAdXyPYKQo</a>
dragonwriter超过 6 年前
The final instance of “Silicon Valley” should be set in italics as a title (or quoted, if HN titles don&#x27;t allow italics.)<p>(Would presumably be just as true the other way around, but that&#x27;s not the title of the piece.)
sergiotapia超过 6 年前
Does the show get any better? I stopped around the time they hacked the phones in that conference, I think season 2?<p>It was a constant the leader fucking up and the gang coming through at the end - over and over and over.
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davidwitt415超过 6 年前
I don&#x27;t think BillG quite got the &#x27;Hotdog Not Hotdog&#x27; joke..
stevewilhelm超过 6 年前
&quot;Conjoined Triangles of Success&quot; and &quot;ruinous empathy.&quot;<p>Pure genius.
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dmode超过 6 年前
As someone living in the bubble, Silicon Valley felt way too real. Does this apply to tech company culture outside of the valley ?
sAbakumoff超过 6 年前
Also, read &quot;Disrupted: My Misadventure in the Start Up Bubble&quot; that was written by one of the SV script authors.
joshu超过 6 年前
Fun fact: I&#x27;m in the background of the basketball court scene in Season 4 (and I am a consultant for the show)
kaizendad超过 6 年前
The fact that this is true just makes it hurt more that I am obviously Jared.
jiveturkey超过 6 年前
needs 2016 tag.
coleifer超过 6 年前
This well-written article has been discussed before, but I figured it was worth posting. It&#x27;s a bit more in the &quot;black humor&quot; vein than Silicon Valley, but it also just nails the real SV vibe:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nplusonemag.com&#x2F;issue-25&#x2F;on-the-fringe&#x2F;uncanny-valley&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;nplusonemag.com&#x2F;issue-25&#x2F;on-the-fringe&#x2F;uncanny-valle...</a>
glenrivard超过 6 年前
Love the show and do think pretty realistic in an exaggerated way.
torgian超过 6 年前
I’ve only seen one episode of the show a couple years ago, and I basically found it boring. Keep in mind I’ve never been to Silicon Valley.<p>All the comments here make it sound like a depressing place to be
samstave超过 6 年前
In 1999 we were working a very long shift waiting for the batch process on the AS&#x2F;400 to go through and our FTP &quot;edi&quot; trNsfers to Sun to complete (an ftp script written for us by these four hacks, who founded linuxcare after this episode) (sifry, dibona, etc)<p>We decided to go grab a beer and play pool while we waited for this new thing to execute based on this new language sun was having us convert everything to, XML...<p>While at the pool place these girls in lingerie were walking about selling raffle tickets.<p>We asked what they were for.<p>&quot;We are putting ourselves through school and we are selling raffle tickets for the lingerie we are wearing, for $5 a ticket.&quot;<p>&quot;I see, where are you ladies going to school&quot;<p>&quot;Oh, we go to <i></i><i>silicone</i><i></i> valley college...&quot;<p>----<p>I wish this was a scene in Silicon Valley... it was ridiculously funny.
russellbeattie超过 6 年前
I haven&#x27;t watched the show much, as I&#x27;ve lived and worked in Silicon Valley for 20+ years and I don&#x27;t see much besides a superficial resemblance. I saw a bit of an episode where a few &#x27;brogrammers&#x27; were making fun of the main character like it was a &#x27;mean girls&#x27; high school, and I thought it was ridiculous. Then I saw another bit where one of the characters was threatening a kid for his Adderall prescription and, again, thought it was moronic. I haven&#x27;t watched much else.<p>I compare the show to Entourage: Amusing to those outside Hollywood, but completely ridiculous to anyone who actually works in the industry.
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