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Silicon Valley wages have dropped for non-tech jobs

188 点作者 Futurebot超过 6 年前

15 条评论

yjhoney超过 6 年前
I started a nonprofit 2 years ago (garagescript.org) that hires low income people in San Jose and their full time job is to learn how to code and teach new students.<p>Our nonprofit started off with 20 students, most were making about 25k&#x2F;year and had no coding experience. I paid each of them 2k &#x2F; month to quit their jobs and focus on coding full time.<p>From the original 20 students, 6 are left. The other 14 are all full-stack software engineers.<p>If anyone wants to help out, send me an email to song at garagescript.org. I believe the real long term solution is to train under-served communities better and help them acquire technical skills.<p><i>edit</i> remove donation link.
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CydeWeys超过 6 年前
I have when the news writes an entire article around a single report, but then fails to link to that report. You had one job ...<p>Anyway, here&#x27;s the report in question: <a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.everettprogram.org&#x2F;main&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;TIGHTROPE-2018-REPORT.pdf" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.everettprogram.org&#x2F;main&#x2F;wp-content&#x2F;uploads&#x2F;TIGHTR...</a><p>Reading the fine details of the report, you see that the top-line metric is real income, adjusted for inflation and local cost of living. And the #1 factor that&#x27;s proved ruinous to local cost of living in the Bay Area these past two decades is of course housing prices. If zoning restrictions were relaxed and more housing was allowed to be built, costs would be reduced and a lot of these problems would be solved. The Bay Area has a critical lack of housing, which is driving all these prices up and causing most of the decline in CoL-adjusted non-tech wages.
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lupire超过 6 年前
The author almost noticed Simpson&#x27;s paradox:<p>&gt; Surprisingly, the UC Santa Cruz study suggests that employment in low wage industries is growing. The share of worker in jobs considered low-wage in 1997 grew 25 percent over the next 20 years, while the percent working in middle- and high-wage jobs declined.<p>The problem isn&#x27;t that wages are dropping for certain work; the problem is that middle-wage jobs are being automated away, leaving only low-skill but non-automatable jobs that require organically-optimized things that all people have but machines don&#x27;t, like fingers and eyes.
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deanmoriarty超过 6 年前
How about:<p>1) Introducing a much higher tax rate for rental property income.<p>2) Making property taxes be reassessed every single year unless your AGI is lower than average and you are a resident.<p>3) Introducing a much (much!) higher tax for non-residents&#x2F;foreign investors who buy a house purely for investment, and sometimes they don&#x27;t even rent it out (I know a few rich folks from FAANG who bought a handful of houses in MV, and they keep them empty because they don&#x27;t want the trouble of dealing with tenants, they say the appreciation is more than enough, to me it&#x27;s borderline criminal).<p>I&#x27;ve seen numerous instances of those three events playing out against normal people trying to afford some housing while working a normal job. If it&#x27;s not obvious, I&#x27;m heavily biased against real estate investors, because housing is a need for everybody, so the market should be much more regulated.
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kuyaab超过 6 年前
It’s incredible how hard it’s been for retail and service companies to recruit lower-wage workers her in the South Bay. Mike Rowe and tech execs love to talk about skills gaps, but the fact is most jobs aren’t filled because the compensation these positions offer is garbage.
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imagetic超过 6 年前
As someone who lives in the outer bay area, pay for jobs hasn&#x27;t really gone up at all in the last 8 years, but the tech industry has really pushed the cost of living up a lot. I can&#x27;t say I&#x27;ve noticed a drop in pay outside of the media industry since that&#x27;s what I work in. And a lot of that has to do with the cost of gear now and the supply is so high buy the demand hasn&#x27;t grown that much.<p>Most of my neighbors are contractors &#x2F; construction workers. Nobody I know can fathom buying a home. But until last year things were fairly stagnant for them. There is a lot more construction going on now, but it&#x27;s mostly to turn homes we can&#x27;t afford into vacation rentals.
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ummonk超过 6 年前
One thing I&#x27;ve noticed is that aside from rent, random expenses in NYC are so much more expensive. E.g. classpass classes, restaurants, etc. Do service workers get better paid there?
helen___keller超过 6 年前
Zoning law and housing code were enacted across the nation in response to the crowded, unsanitary, and unsafe tenements of the industrial revolution. But, we’ve gone too far and allowed too much local control of housing. Now in 21st century American boomtowns, you can’t convert your single family into a duplex or small apartment building, you can’t convert the first floor of your building into a small business, you can’t have organic growth in your city the way cities had grown up until the early 20th century. Far from just outlawing tenements, we’ve outlawed our cities from adapting to change, which is why we see such absurdities as in the bay areas cost of living.<p>For decades now we’ve been surviving off technical debt. Cars and roads allow us to survive even when our cities are absurdly inefficiently organized. But as the nation changes more and more, our top cities’ roads and street layouts don’t adapt to the change, so we have unbearable traffic in every major city. On top of that, we continue to ignore the needs of a more efficient method of organizing ourselves - relaxing zoning to allow organic growth in the city, and construction of mass transit between the dense regions that develop under this system.<p>That’s how we developed cities before we started relying on cars, and what we need to do to continue scaling American cities. Or we can just accept as every house in the Bay Area reaches multimillion dollar price tag.
Aeolun超过 6 年前
Isn’t it ironic that the rates of poverty are increasing in possibly the wealthiest region in the world?
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mlindner超过 6 年前
Silicon Valley has a multi-fold problem.<p>1. Housing is expensive because of the influx of people immigrating to the state from out of state and also out of country. (I&#x27;m one of them.) This causes a housing shortage which will naturally drive up price of housing.<p>2. The housing prices don&#x27;t come down because California in general has very restrictive zoning laws, especially in the most expensive areas, that prevent building of sufficient housing density to cover demand. This in turn drives housing development further outside of the bay area forcing long commute times and highway usage.<p>3. Because of the high cost of living (primarily from housing, food&#x2F;etc is not significantly more expensive) from the above problems the solution proposed is to greatly raise the minimum wage, now hitting $15 in many areas. This causes a drive to automate away simpler jobs (also providing an entry for further tech startups to automate these things) or more commonly, move the jobs out of the state via company acquisition followed by moving the administrative jobs to company headquarters located out of state or sometimes out of country. A high minimum wage reduces the available job market by putting an artificial job supply limit in place thus causing unemployment for these simpler jobs.<p>4. On top of this there&#x27;s a loophole for illegal immigrants where companies abuse them by paying them below minimum wage because they are here illegally. (Another reason that giving a path to legal immigration for illegal immigrants would help things.)<p>The first thing and most important thing that needs to happen is for the state to overrule local zoning laws (as opposed by the NIMBYs) and force generic zoning, allowing unrestricted housing development. Just look at the south bay area. The zoning is obvious even looking at satellite maps. Industrial areas are kept separate from housing which are kept separate from retail. This prevents natural intermixing of these causing a lot of need for road development to allow people to travel between these blocks rather than walking down the street.
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cutler超过 6 年前
This is the real truth about the tech boom - how it impacts society as a whole and who benefits. A nation&#x27;s progress is measured by the standard of living of the average citizen, not the elite. By that yardstick the so-called advanced nations such as the UK and USA, with their spiralling housing costs, are moving backwards not forwards.
ReptileMan超过 6 年前
This looks like the run of the mill hollowing of the middle that has been going on since the late 70s.
Scipio_Afri超过 6 年前
Boost the wage floor. High skilled workers have more force to push against the wage supply price that employers set; they have a lot of power to set wages, including an entire department called HR dedicated to ensuring they get the best deal as they can. Low wage employees do not have that power.
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crankylinuxuser超过 6 年前
Surprised? I&#x27;m not. Capitalists are well known to conspire together and create capitalist unions to block workers of all stripes.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;01&#x2F;15&#x2F;technology&#x2F;silicon-valley-antitrust-case-settlement-poaching-engineers.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.nytimes.com&#x2F;2015&#x2F;01&#x2F;15&#x2F;technology&#x2F;silicon-valley...</a><p>Google, Apple, Intel and Adobe in this one....<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;High-Tech_Employee_Antitrust_Litigation" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;High-Tech_Employee_Antitrust_L...</a><p>Adobe, Apple Inc., Google, Intel, Intuit, Pixar, Lucasfilm and eBay here.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.morganlewis.com&#x2F;pubs&#x2F;ftc-brings-first-wage-fixing-enforcement-action-following-joint-doj-ftc-human-resources-guidance" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.morganlewis.com&#x2F;pubs&#x2F;ftc-brings-first-wage-fixin...</a>
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kumarm超过 6 年前
Call any service business from top list on Yelp (Handyman, Dryer Vent Cleaning, Plumber etc), they would charge minimum 80$ (Irrespective of whether they do work or not).<p>Where is this money going?
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