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Canada has arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver

1081 点作者 ericzawo超过 6 年前

58 条评论

mtw超过 6 年前
Many are lost in technicalities here, if Canada has the right to arrest a businesswoman, if the US can stop a foreign company to do business with another country. Who cares?<p>I&#x27;m partial to Iran because a multi-lateral treaty was signed. Iran stopped nuclear enrichment. In exchange, western countries pledged to provide economic relief and stop sanctions.<p>It is said that Iran has been developing various weapons, but these weapons do not fall under the treaty, and experts and controllers all agree the nuclear program has been stopped.<p>It is wrong for the US to walk away from this treaty, in the same way it was wrong to walk away from the Paris accord agreement. You agree on one thing, you have to follow. That is the honourable thing to do.<p>A few will say that Iran is threatening Middle East Peace. What is obvious is that its Saudi Arabia who&#x27;s bombing its southern neighbour or sending tanks to Bahrain. If you want peace, you have to impose sanctions on Saudi Arabia as well.<p>What is even wrong for the US is punishing foreign companies wanting to do business in Iran. Perhaps there are technicalities to demonstrate a law in the US is broken. This makes sense for bureaucrats. For the rest of the world, it&#x27;s just abuse and plain wrong. History will judge.
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qd6pwu4超过 6 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;worldnews&#x2F;comments&#x2F;a3hied&#x2F;huawei_deputy_chairwoman_arrested_by_canada_at_us&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.reddit.com&#x2F;r&#x2F;worldnews&#x2F;comments&#x2F;a3hied&#x2F;huawei_de...</a><p>Keep in mind that US sanctions against foreign companies doing business with Iran are opposed by:<p>The United Nations International Court of Justice, which ordered the US to withdraw sanctions, to which the US responded by pulling out of international agreements.<p>The European Union, which has attempted to block its companies from complying with US sanctions.<p>With that said, the US is free to sanction anyone for its own interests, that&#x27;s its right as a sovereign state. It is also its right as a sovereign state to refuse market access and trade to any company that violates its sanctions.<p>But arresting foreign nationals in other countries for violating US sanctions? That&#x27;s the equivalent of Russia arresting American business executives and extraditing them to China for violating Chinese sanctions against Taiwan - and yes, there are sanctions against Taiwan, which are regularly ignored by the US, of course. This is a massive escalation and will undoubtedly cause a major international crisis. Stay tuned.
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fosk超过 6 年前
Can somebody explain to me on what authority the US can request the arrest of a Chinese national on Canadian soil for any action they took while conducting operations of a Chinese organization headquartered in China?
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huahaiy超过 6 年前
Coincidentally, a Stanford Chinese American scientist, Prof. Shoucheng Zhang (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Shoucheng_Zhang" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Shoucheng_Zhang</a>), who discovered the Quantum Spin Hall effect that plays a big part in the recent Intel announcement of the next generation of chip design, was found dead on Stanford campus on Dec. 1st. Before he&#x27;s death, Prof. Zhang went together with Huawei&#x27;s CFO to attend a dinner in Argentina on Dec. 1st.<p>Basically, after that dinner in Argentina, one of them is dead, another is arrested.
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estsauver超过 6 年前
I would not look forward to being an American businessman abroad in China right now. I think we&#x27;re all used to the fiction that we live in a world that&#x27;s totally governed by fairness and laws. That&#x27;s been a pretty useful fiction for a long time, and in (some) of the developed world that&#x27;s basically been how it&#x27;s worked.<p>But I really wonder how many shocks this system can take. I would bet money that an important US executive for some company is arrested in the two years while visiting China.<p>EDIT:<p>There&#x27;s another comment here asking how it&#x27;s possibly legal for the US to do this. Whether you believe it or not, it&#x27;s useful to know that the philosophy much of our state department believes in is called Realpolitik (<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Realpolitik" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Realpolitik</a>). It doesn&#x27;t really matter what the law says or what treaties we&#x27;ve signed, the primary thing that matters for the US is what&#x27;s pragmatic for it at the moment.
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mciak超过 6 年前
Note that this arrest was due to the lesser sin of export control busting, rather than Huawei&#x27;s biggest sin: facilitating surveillance and IP theft.<p>Remarkable that they (she?) went through all the effort to set up a HK front company, but then left the Huawei logo on their powerpoint decks
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freewizard超过 6 年前
Notably she’s not just CFO, but also vice chairwoman of the board, daughter of founder&#x2F;CEO, and very widely viewed as the successor of his father.
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refurb超过 6 年前
In case people aren&#x27;t aware, Canadian-Iranian relations aren&#x27;t exactly in a good place right now.[1]<p>Extraditing someone to the US for violating US sanctions against Iran aligns pretty well with Canada&#x27;s interests right now.<p>[1]<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Canada%E2%80%93Iran_relations" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Canada%E2%80%93Iran_relations</a>
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anonymous5133超过 6 年前
I also wonder what this is going to do to Canada&#x27;s real estate market considering that Canada has basically been a &quot;safe haven&quot; for Chinese nationals to flock to basically launder their money.
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arijun超过 6 年前
Wow this seems like a huge deal.<p>If the whole company is suspected of breaking the embargo, why is just the CFO arrested? Was she just the one they could get?<p>Also, it seems weird that Huawei can sell their own products to Iran but not American products they own.
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cronix超过 6 年前
&gt; “Wanzhou Meng was arrested in Vancouver on December 1. She is sought for extradition by the United States, and a bail hearing has been set for Friday,” Justice department spokesperson Ian McLeod said in a statement to The Globe and Mail. “As there is a publication ban in effect, we cannot provide any further detail at this time. The ban was sought by Ms. Meng.<p>I don&#x27;t understand the last bit there about a &quot;publicaton ban.&quot; So, in Canada, a suspect can request that some info of their arrest be withheld? I googled and came up with <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.justice.gc.ca&#x2F;eng&#x2F;cj-jp&#x2F;victims-victimes&#x2F;factsheets-fiches&#x2F;publication.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.justice.gc.ca&#x2F;eng&#x2F;cj-jp&#x2F;victims-victimes&#x2F;factshe...</a>, but it doesn&#x27;t make much sense to me since her name was published? So how would a publication ban protect her identity? I guess there could be others involved that she was protecting and not wanting the names released?
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gdfasfklshg4超过 6 年前
The Iran sanctions are yet another sad example of the US losing the moral high ground and soft power (followed by hard power). Americans might not like hearing this but increasingly the US is seen a dangerous, untrustworthy and negative value ally. As this continues the EU block will steadily move away from the US eventually NATO will fragment and this will have serious implications for global stability.<p>Prior to the current return to Iran sanctions the USA had a monopoly on international payments clearance. The EU has responded by setting up an alternative system.
rdl超过 6 年前
I’m curious where she was flying. If Chinese execs can’t do China to Mexico via Canada connections, that will be interesting. (I am pretty sure she was actively avoiding connections in the US. Overflight of the US is bad if you are Snowden level but it isn’t quite as risky as connecting in Canada and way less than connecting in the US, since the US doesn’t do sterile transit.)
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hacknat超过 6 年前
It is telling that Chinese-US relations are at stake when a &quot;private&quot; citizen is arrested for a crime. Beijing was quick to say there was no wrong-doing before formal charges were even made.<p>China wonders why we distrust their businesses, and this is the reason. They all seem to be heavily politically supported by the Chinese government.<p>We&#x27;re all discussing it with the presumption that, of course, it would. When we indicted half of FIFA everyone in the EU loved us for it, and certainly no political establishments condemned it.
dsl超过 6 年前
A tl;dr to address some of the obvious questions here:<p>In 2013 she set up a Hong Kong shell company called Skycom Tech. That company (attempted to) purchase HP computers from the United States and resell them to Iran. The deal did not involve Huawei products, but many of the documents related to the deal were labeled &quot;Huawei confidential&quot; indicating they created the shell company to conceal their involvement.<p>She broke the law by attempting to do a straw purchase for the Iranian government of US manufactured restricted goods. <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Straw_purchase" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Straw_purchase</a><p>Canada has an extradition agreement with the United States, so the Canadian government arrested her on behalf of the US.
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api_or_ipa超过 6 年前
Suspicious how this comes right on the heels of negative publicity about Huawei&#x27;s IP theft and possible infiltration of global telecom networks. I suspect someone might be wanting to apply pressure and forcing Huawei to respond.
ineedasername超过 6 年前
Is she <i>herself</i> accused of breaking the Iran sanctions or is it Huawei, and as the CFO she&#x27;s being held accountable? I can&#x27;t tell from this article or the one from NYT. And it seems like that would be a big difference, and if it was Huawai then the US should just level sanctions against Huawai rather than arresting its executives on criminal charges.
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lennydizzy超过 6 年前
Only if Huawei could dismember some journalists, then they would probably be fine, maybe even get to shake the President&#x27;s hand.
deckar01超过 6 年前
<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;outline.com&#x2F;NWDj34" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;outline.com&#x2F;NWDj34</a>
xmly超过 6 年前
Huawei has a branch in the US and Canada. Why not arrest some of them now?<p>If the criminal is done by other colleagues in the company, should the executives be punished? I highly doubt the CFO is arranging the shipment to Iran...<p>Or simply because the CFO is the daughter of the founder?
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nimbius超过 6 年前
double standard? I dont recall seeing any of the Bluecoat (Symantec now) CEO&#x27;s cuffed at the airport when hackers found Bluecoat hardware in Syria...<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Blue_Coat_Systems" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Blue_Coat_Systems</a><p>It seems like the US Government has a serious axe to grind with Huawei.
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AngeloAnolin超过 6 年前
Just a bit unclear on this:<p>&quot;Canada has arrested the chief financial officer of China’s Huawei Technologies, who now faces extradition to the United States on suspicion she violated U.S. trade sanctions against Iran.&quot;<p>What violation was really committed? Was it Huawei doing business with Iran, like selling chips&#x2F;devices&#x2F;etc on their product line? If it (the Huawei company) did, shouldn&#x27;t everyone on the company&#x27;s employ who have had a hand on the products that were provided to Iran be arrested?<p>I look forward to having more factual information on this, rather than mere speculations on the violations that were supposedly committed.
thecleaner超过 6 年前
Could someone explain what laws were broken ? I can&#x27;t understand what&#x27;s the matter if a foreign national does trade with Iran ? And its kind of suspicious that Huawei, a telecom giant , is the prime target given how much lobbying is done by telecom companies in USA.
forkLding超过 6 年前
Whats the Iranian perspective? Theres a lot of Americans here, I presume there are Iranians too?
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flexie超过 6 年前
It is ugly. The US and Canada is going down a rabbit hole.<p>The dictatorship of Iran is disgusting and dangerous but the US trades with countries governed by equally disgusting and dangerous dictatorships such as Saudi Arabia and China.<p>The US trade sanctions are imposed unilaterally and create mountains of troubles for US allies. Most of the world oppose the trade sanctions. Such sanctions rarely work anyways. It&#x27;s a huge cost born not only by US companies but by companies in allied countries that have to obey US sanctions in order to avoid repercussions.
kelvin0超过 6 年前
It seems to me Canada is doing this for it&#x27;s southern neighbor. Wondering if the fact that Huawei is putting a lot a pressure on American companies (by competing with them) is part of this?
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majia超过 6 年前
This reminds me of the Yinhe incident:<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Yinhe_incident" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Yinhe_incident</a>
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hkt超过 6 年前
Good for Canada - they showed a lot of spine in criticising Saudi Arabia this summer and they&#x27;re showing a lot of spine with this.<p>Combined with the UK&#x27;s seizure of Facebook documents, it&#x27;s a great week for assertive liberal democracies. Let&#x27;s hope we&#x27;re setting ourselves up for a 2019 where we&#x27;ll get some sunlight into all the dark places that have been building up for the last couple of decades.
dmode超过 6 年前
I hope multiple US executives now get arrested in other countries for supporting a US regime that breaks human rights and ignores international everyday
hsnewman超过 6 年前
Although the propaganda from the white house says a deal was made with China last week on tariffs, this I would consider would be seen by China as a major escalation of the nationalist behavior of the USA. The markets will likely respond with a sell off because the behavior of the USA is not correlating with the statements coming out. Hold on for a scary couple of days.
benmmurphy超过 6 年前
For the conspiracy theorists O2 is currently suffering a massive mobile network outage in the UK [<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.telegraph.co.uk&#x2F;technology&#x2F;2018&#x2F;12&#x2F;06&#x2F;o2-network-customers-lose-access-4g-data&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.telegraph.co.uk&#x2F;technology&#x2F;2018&#x2F;12&#x2F;06&#x2F;o2-network...</a>]. Apparently it has been caused by a third party supplier [<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;O2&#x2F;status&#x2F;1070612301110226944" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;O2&#x2F;status&#x2F;1070612301110226944</a>]. Apparently, O2 uses Huawei [<a href="http:&#x2F;&#x2F;telecoms.com&#x2F;44197&#x2F;huawei-wins-managed-services-deal-with-o2-uk&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">http:&#x2F;&#x2F;telecoms.com&#x2F;44197&#x2F;huawei-wins-managed-services-deal-...</a>] but has recently been boasting about moving away from them [can&#x27;t find a reference].<p>But someone on twitter is claiming the third party is not Huawei. [<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;NicFildes&#x2F;status&#x2F;1070606845881008128" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;twitter.com&#x2F;NicFildes&#x2F;status&#x2F;1070606845881008128</a>]
farseer超过 6 年前
The only lesson here is: If your company has ever sold any products in Iran, I think its safe to avoid taking any connecting flights through US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and possibly Britain. Fly Emirates, Qatar Airways or Cathay Pacific.
squozzer超过 6 年前
Is Ms. Meng related to Meng Hongwei?<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.yahoo.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;ex-interpol-chief-ousted-china-top-advisory-body-063307660.html" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.yahoo.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;ex-interpol-chief-ousted-china-to...</a>
gtrubetskoy超过 6 年前
It&#x27;s interesting that this happened on the same day Trump and Jinping met, there is a possibility they both knew about this prior to the meeting. On Monday stock market goes up on &quot;improving China relations&quot;, on Tuesday the Dow tanks 800 points on &quot;no news&quot;. Chances are the sell-off was because some people learned about it on Tuesday.
nickelcitymario超过 6 年前
And y&#x27;all thought we canucks we&#x27;re nice.
fallingfrog超过 6 年前
So, we are willing to arrest foreign businesspeople and risk an international crisis in order to make sure that our supply of oil is secure, but if our own businesspeople rip off the American people to the tune of trillions of dollars, we not only let them walk free, but we compensate them for their losses. Interesting to see what kinds of behavior are actually punished. Shows you who&#x27;s really in charge of the government. (Exxon, Goldman Sachs, etc)
lukaa超过 6 年前
Is it only coincidence that this prosecution of Huawei come just after Huawei create best smartphone on market?
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lukaa超过 6 年前
Is it only coincidence that this prosecution of Huawei come just after Huawei create best smartphone on market?
yes2right超过 6 年前
why Canada arrested Huawei’s global chief financial officer in Vancouver, this is not belong to Canada, really suck up to American. Canada got fuck good on tariff and still never learn. stupid the Canadian justice. tax fair paid him and he do job for American.
yes2right超过 6 年前
this is violation of international law, what is canada doing for us a favor. to arrest any citizen of country in canada. this is Canada looking own trouble now. really is suck up on us political .
ry4n413超过 6 年前
Is china still holding those Americans hostage? Victor and Cynthia Liu?
throw2016超过 6 年前
This is a mockery of globalization, free markets and rule of law. It&#x27;s sad for those of us who have supported some of these values to see them mocked like this. This is like China or Russia getting Trump&#x27;s or Bill Gates daughter arrested on some made up charge in a third country. Who will support that?<p>Unilateral sanctions against Iran or Cuba without the consensus of the UN is questionable in law in the first place. What crimes have Iran or Cuba committed? And yet these sanctions without basis by countries who count Saudi Arabia as their closest ally are allowed to cause suffering to millions of people for decades on end and no one cares. This is the twisted state of our world.<p>It seems ultimately foolish to believe in ideals when they only apply to a certain group of countries in their benefit, and when not will use propaganda and their collective political and diplomatic power to harass others.
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rqs超过 6 年前
Weird.<p>Huawei made an <i>carefully worded</i> announcement early this day and states that they are didn&#x27;t violate any related law:<p>- <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.zhihu.com&#x2F;question&#x2F;304821204" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.zhihu.com&#x2F;question&#x2F;304821204</a><p>- <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;weibo.com&#x2F;2557129567&#x2F;H5WbTkTkj" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;weibo.com&#x2F;2557129567&#x2F;H5WbTkTkj</a><p>December 1, the same day Xi and Trump met at G20. Wonder if anything goes wrong.<p>Americans better find something this time, one Yinhe incident[0] is bad enough for PR already :)<p>[0] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Yinhe_incident" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;en.wikipedia.org&#x2F;wiki&#x2F;Yinhe_incident</a>
crb002超过 6 年前
I&#x27;m hoping Canada puts her on a flight to Beijing instead of involving itself. She is acused of violating a trade embargo that Canada is not a party to.
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vorticalbox超过 6 年前
I was under the impression that unless you left the airport you&#x27;re not technically in that country.<p>That&#x27;s how Julian Assange evaded arrest.
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jussij超过 6 年前
I have no doubt this has a lot to do with two super powers trying very hard to flex their muscles, both trying to project a position of strength.<p>However, I don&#x27;t think China was helping it&#x27;s cause when a month ago it decided to arrest the Interpol chief, only to have that chief released a few hours latter.<p>Throw in that mix a crazy Putin itching for war in the Ukraine and we have three boys all trying very hard to take control the playground.
justinzollars超过 6 年前
Goodbye Vancouver real estate?
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dude3超过 6 年前
Probably related to this: <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;amp&#x2F;s&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;amp&#x2F;world-us-canada-46352336" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.google.com&#x2F;amp&#x2F;s&#x2F;www.bbc.com&#x2F;news&#x2F;amp&#x2F;world-us-c...</a>. Trump brought it up at the g20
tu7001超过 6 年前
This is disgusting, I know what is the brand of my new mobile phone:-D
xttblog超过 6 年前
加拿大还是一个主权国家吗?
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m00nlight超过 6 年前
Is Canada becoming little brother of US?
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qd6pwu4超过 6 年前
Shameless, hypocrite countries
cauldron超过 6 年前
Expecting in couple months, there would be an American executive&#x27;s nationally televised confession and contrition.
Silmarilion超过 6 年前
I think that&#x27;s totally fine. Only the US can spy on their own citizens, plus on the entire world.
emptyfile超过 6 年前
No problem USA! Go back on the Iran deal, go back on the Paris climate deal, go back on TPP.<p>Just don&#x27;t expect that anyone believes you anymore.
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bobdylan425超过 6 年前
tesr
chenpengcheng超过 6 年前
Intern camp.
mips_avatar超过 6 年前
China has a long history of disregarding United Nations and US sanctions. During the second Iraq war they defied UN sanctions by selling anti-aircraft defense systems to Iraq directly endangering US and coalition fighters.<p>Edit: verb tense.<p><a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;books.google.com&#x2F;books?id=grGMAwAAQBAJ&amp;pg=PT221&amp;lpg=PT221&amp;dq=chinese+military+burying+fiber+optic+cables+iraq&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=Lke2jW4l_v&amp;sig=fSORayYCs1bfvetAty4Cs3jBBUE&amp;hl=en&amp;sa=X&amp;ved=2ahUKEwjI8fKmn4rfAhVIvFkKHeyOC_sQ6AEwC3oECAcQAQ#v=onepage&amp;q=chinese%20military%20burying%20fiber%20optic%20cables%20iraq&amp;f=false" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;books.google.com&#x2F;books?id=grGMAwAAQBAJ&amp;pg=PT221&amp;lpg=...</a>
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