Ask HN: How do you guys develop mental toughness?

53 点作者 theredking超过 6 年前

I recently got done reading David Goggins book Can't Hurt Me where he advocates being uncomfortable as one of the key factors in developing mental toughness but his book was rather focused on how to do this via physical means, what are some tactics you guys use to develop intellectual mental toughness?

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i_dont_know_超过 6 年前

I'll give you the same advice everyone else is, but word it slightly differently, because thinking this way really helped me: Be OK in your own vulnerability.'Toughness' implies some sort of everything-proof shield that you expose to different stimulus to gain 'immunity' from it. I've seen advice that follows this line of thought: eg you quit bathing for a week and become 'immune' to some specific social judgements, you go to some extreme sport to be 'immune' from the fear associated with it, etc.The problem with the above is it starts feeding into this weird 'detached, tough guy' persona that cracks as soon as you realize something has gotten to you. You think "oh no, this thing isn't one of the many things I'm immune from!" and will try to counter it with some sort of extreme, tough-guy exposure. Until the next thing gets to you. Etc.Rather than doing that, you should realize what creates the toughness in the first place: it's being vulnerable (physically, emotionally, intellectually, etc.) and realizing it's an OK state to be in. Even if you're in a vulnerable state, you've "got it", you'll make it out of it, it's not the end of the world, etc.Now, you can practice this by putting yourself into vulnerable states and showing yourself that you survive them (but you have to remember to let yourself generalize so you don't get stuck in the 'tough guy' mentality I described above) OR you can explore the concept of vulnerability in general and learn to be OK with it. I recommend the latter :)To that end, I really liked "the gifts of imperfection".

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MediumD超过 6 年前

Practicing MMA (but any single art like Boxing, Wrestling, Muy Thai, etc would work) has definitely boosted my mental toughness. Once you step into a ring with someone who is trying to attack you, and come out okay, you realize you can handle pretty much anything.Even if you don't spar, simply motivating yourself to go to practice can be tough. If you can walk into a room knowing you're going to be pinned and choked, you can walk into an interview/negotiation/meeting/date no problem.

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anotheryou超过 6 年前

Go meta. for love, health and existential fears it won't necessarily help, but everything else can't be that important.trying to take a step back is helpful to find solutions and underlying problems anyways.for "interpersonal hardening" it helps to understand why others act the way they do (for negative behavior it's usually fear once you dig deep enough)for myself I approach it slightly different: I don't fight my feelings, even if it needs secretly shedding a tear at home. only after having dealt with the emotions I can again take a step back, analyse causes and consider actions.and lastly: find someone to talk to. this could even be an anonymous internet friend, if you are not comfortable sharing things with someone close by. they can assure you you are not alone and automatically have a healthy outside perspective.edit: and I actively avoid unnecessary social stress (toxic people, unhealthy hierarchies or simply the social pressure in some sorts of group work if not worth the pain (playing in a lovely band: yes! half assing a shared side project you are not really on to: no!))

err4nt超过 6 年前

It's not about what you can resist, it's about what you have the capacity to endure.One tactic that helps me through the tough bits are to think of a time that's been harder/more painful/tougher and remind myself: "I've already been through worse before, and from this point forward it will only get better"Another thing I do to try to support myself is to switch what I'm doing. Sometimes we get stuck in a rut like a car spinning our wheels in the mud - spending a lot of energy but not making and progress. Maybe it's time to step out of the car and put some branches down, or take a different tactic. If you ever feel like you're just spinning your wheels and not getting anywhere, switch up your approach! Even if progress is slow, your energy isn't wasted and you don't sit there an anguish waiting for _something_ (anything) to happen to save you from it.Another thing you can do to get a thicker skin (toward what others say) is to hop on IRC, or Twitter, or Facebook, or Slack, or Discord, or wherever people go to be snippy and nasty to each other. It won't be long before some trolls or malicious actors come along and try to get under your skin. Don't let them. Every time it happens it's easier to do!

vitomd超过 6 年前

Learn Stoicism.My favorite classic is Enchiridion by Epictetus and Letters from a Stoic by Seneca. For a more modern approach: The Antidote: Happiness for People Who Can't Stand Positive Thinking by BurkmanPD:I compiled a list of quotes from the best books <a href="http://arandomquote.com/categories/stoic/" rel="nofollow">http://arandomquote.com/categories/stoic/</a>

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whack超过 6 年前

Some ways of putting psychological stress on yourself:- Public speaking- Taking on leadership roles- Do things that are counter to your personality. Eg, if you're shy, force yourself to talk to strangers on the street- Put yourself in situations where you will probably face rejection- Do things that will make you stick out. Eg: showing up at work one day in a suit when everyone else is wearing t-shirts. Or vice-versa- Take a flight to a random foreign country where you don't know the local language, and where most people don't know English. No hotel reservations in advance, no laptop, no smartphone, minimal budget. Figure out how to survive, have fun, and visit the city's major landmarks over the following 5 days. Bonus points if it's a developing countryNot that I'm particularly recommending all of the above. But they will certainly put you in an psychologically "uncomfortable" spot and help expand your comfort zone.

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trippypig超过 6 年前

Read one book. Dostoyevsky's ‘Crime and Punishment’, concentrating on all of the various ways he portrays righteousness.He helps you see what's right in front of you, namely that people do wrong things not because they are evil or bad, but because they are weak.Once you understand people as inherently weak, that they do stupid shit because they are essentially helpless, not because they're bad or evil or cruel, it becomes so much easier to forgive.Mental toughness is all about forgiving and forgetting, and you learn to forgive only by accepting that people are weak, that people are essentially incapable of doing what's right.Here one of my favorite quotes from the book:“She is so unhappy! Ah, how unhappy! She believes there must be righteousness everywhere. She expects it. She doesn't see that it's impossible for people to be righteous and she is angry at it.”

blm超过 6 年前

I wonder how much difference physical stress Vs mental stress it makes. Stress is stress. Anxiety (mental stress) causes physical symptoms. The will to continue in physical endeavours is through changing the mind and being determined to continue. Mind over matter. This want to stop doing physical stuff comes from the mind. So improving the mental toughness comes from repetitively attempting to breach this barrier.Goggins even says stuff in his interviews with Joe Rogan that indicate that he would agree. Most people stop physical activity not when the body is exhausted but when the brain thinks the body is done. When Jesse Itzler interviewed with Joe Rogan about Goggins, he said Goggins thought people only did 40% of what they were capable of until they changed their mind.

mettamage超过 6 年前

Sorry for the bit unedited/rough comment but I don't have too much time so I'm typing pretty fast.(1) Learning how to program(2) Hacking hardware(3) Learning Andy McKee Rylynn on guitar while only knowing Wonderwall (there's a YouTube tutorial).(4) Breathing/anapana/'basic'/the-first-meditation-beginners learn meditation and Tonglen (see the book search inside yourself for instructions) meditation [1].(5) In general: by bootcamping yourself. Also known as being woefully underprepared and then just do it for 8 to 16 hours per day (the hours depend on how the rest of your life balance is, your health must be ok).I wasn't talented at hardware hacking and hated programming when I started with it. It was my curiosity that said: can't you learn to like it? You can create awesome things with it!Curiosity + the promise of creating awesome things + observing myself and being rational on how to influence myself = learning how to program despite hating it initially.But in general: focus a lot on what you're doing and focus as deep as you possibly can and do that for as long as possible. This state is in some was easier to get into if you're doing a topic that seems super hard for you to learn and that you don't know a lot about.For physical toughness: learn the Wim Hof Method -- adrenaline whenever you want it. I'm pretty sure that will help for developing physical toughness.[1] In my experiene the following meditations don't develop mental toughness, they only develop empathy or a form of emotional intelligence: Vipassana/body scan/mindfulness, loving kindness keditation/metta (yes the same metta as my username implies).

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jgalvez超过 6 年前

Get married and divorce a couple of times.

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winslett超过 6 年前

I shot skeet competitively when I was younger. I competed at a high level. Unlike many other sports where competitors affect your play, the only reason you fail in skeet is because of you. The target will fly the same. The gun and ammunition will perform.The outcome of any one event is Boolean: you hit the target or you miss. Feedback is instant.You have to learn to put your mind into the zone. You do that through repetition. While competing, if you worry about your competitor, or the next shot, or how you look, you will miss. Coincidentally, you learn to turn off your brain from trying too hard. A relaxed brain and body are quicker to react, and more powerful.I leaned mental toughness through a game with small Boolean feedback, which rewards focus and rejects excessive effort. It is like instant feedback on meditation.

ForHackernews超过 6 年前

I really recommend "The Art and Craft of Problem Solving" by Paul Zeitz, who coached the winning USA team in the International Math Olympiad: <a href="https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/593458.The_Art_and_Craft_of_Problem_Solving" rel="nofollow">https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/593458.The_Art_and_Craft...</a>One of the things he focuses on is repeatedly challenging yourself with problems you don't know how to solve, and to stick with them and keep trying different angles and approaches. Even if you don't make progress, you'll be conditioning yourself to tolerate longer periods spent working the problem without a payoff.

alex_duf超过 6 年前

Why would you want to develop "intellectual mental toughness", how do you define it?Edit:Okay googling a bit, I think mental toughness is an incredibly poor name for the concept. I'm this close to put that "mental toughness" name into the "toxic masculinity" box.My advice would be don't be afraid to make mistakes, and be kind to yourself when you make some. I've noticed that when facing failure the best pattern would be to pardon yourself and allow yourself to learn from it. Take a step back.

notduncansmith超过 6 年前

Practice identifying the ego underlying your rationale and the way you interact with people. The more you’re able to confront and abandon, the mentally-tougher you’ll be.

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jaboutboul超过 6 年前

Learn and practice meditation. It’s the only way. I can highly recommend the book Mental Resilience: The Power of Clarity [1] by Kamal Sarma It comes with a CD (yes they still make those) to help you early on with some guided meditations while you build up.[1]: <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Mental-Resilience-Clarity-Develop-Warrior/dp/1577316258" rel="nofollow">https://www.amazon.com/Mental-Resilience-Clarity-Develop-War...</a>

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rebuilder超过 6 年前

In my experience, learning to tolerate physical discomfort translates pretty well to mental resilience as well.

Regardsyjc超过 6 年前

I do the things that scare the shit out of me consistently. The things that you wouldn't even consider an option and that many people might consider impossible. When things get really hard, I lean into the pain. Sometimes the pain will be overwhelming, but it will pass. Eventually you'll get used to the pain and things will get boring, you'll plateau, and then you pick the next mountain that scares the shit out of you to start the cycle all over again.I think life might be a little like a video game. You need to make sure you conquer all your base mountains first- things like good mental health (stoicism), physical health, and healthy relationships. If those 3 are covered you can bounce back from anything. At least from my experience and my experience includes 2 suicide attempts, starting my own business, and surviving a bunch of bad stuff.It is really really easy to develop mental toughness from physical exercise. The two go hand in hand. You can't push your body without pushing your mind. Many physical boundaries are mental boundaries. Physical exercise is the easiest way to challenge your mental boundaries if you can.I love long-distance running. It's an easy way to see and test your boundaries and get fit at the same time. Once you hit your redline or hell when you're running- being able to push through hell and finish is key. Slowly and surely you'll be able to run through longer distances of hell. Remembering that pain, knowing that you can meet your boundaries and surpass them, can help you deal with almost everything. It's a confidence-builder. It translates to mental toughness- doing the things and confronting your personal demons, each personal demon you conquer brings you to a bigger demon, but all the small demons you conquered along the way become your allies.Whenever I face a tough situation, it's like lol this is nothing compared to the shit I've been through. Or almost like an anime cliche, I've conquered everything that I've come up against so far, I'm not quitting now.What doesn't kill you, literally makes you stronger. Do all the things that you irrationally think might kill you or that makes you figuratively want to die when you think about it. Your "I'd rather die than do x, y, and z".In my experience, the figurative dying in "I'd rather die" often feels like failing. So die/fail often. I don't know if you ever get used to it, but you start to like it after a while. It feels like progress. Growth pains that you lean into I guess.

benirving超过 6 年前

Definitely an out there response, but recreational drugs take you to a place where you build up different views on how 'everything' works. Really gives you a different perspective on what is "difficult" in life.Oh, and meditation and video games surely.

mping超过 6 年前

What makes you think that mental fortitude is not required for physical toughness? You got it backwards, it's the mind that says the body to quit.Do harder things progressively. Personally I recommend a certain style of Chan meditation, but its not easy to stick to its training plan. To bootstrap, the easy way is to do it in group so you don't quit - MMA, stoicism whatever is OK but there is much more to mental toughness than that imho.

random_upvoter超过 6 年前

I suppose you want mental toughness because you want to achieve some task that requires mental toughness.So, develop mental toughness by trying to achieve said task.

llamaz超过 6 年前

different things work for different people, but personally I do hard drugs

DanBC超过 6 年前

Exposure to uncomfortable situations works, but you need to do it properly.Some people find a cognitive behaviour therapy model useful.

pjc50超过 6 年前

For what purpose? If you want to learn how to cope with having your work rejected, become an author.

who-knows95超过 6 年前

i must say i am a advocate of physical suffering for developing "toughness" but, not because i'm a masochist, loving the pain of walking or suffering through cold.the mental toughness comes from a need to ignore physical pain and drive through to the end, as you have no other choice.in simple terms it's "drive or die".i'm also a follower of stoic ideology, if you look into that, you can read the thoughts of many great men, but they all suffered.i'm not sure if i can help with intellectual mental toughness, but i assume this means mental toughness without physical suffering?

lancewiggs超过 6 年前

Why is this a goal? Perhaps consider instead increasing your ability to have empathy, as toughness implies lack of caring about what is happening around you.

cesidio超过 6 年前

Learn to be comfortable being alone

chmielewski超过 6 年前

I’ve always been a fan of deliberate asceticism and the mantra “let me suffer or let me die”

thiago_fm超过 6 年前

grow up in a third world country

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runjake超过 6 年前

BJJ (especially sparring) and running (nearly) every morning.

bobosha超过 6 年前

Become an entrepreneur. It's MMA for the mind.

de_watcher超过 6 年前

Play some Dota 2.

tshanmu超过 6 年前

have a cold shower every day! (not in the tropics - I mean in places where a cold shower is genuinely uncomfortable)meditation

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bojanvidanovic超过 6 年前

Mediation can teach you this.

zachguo超过 6 年前

Having Asian parents.

swah超过 6 年前

Listen to Jocko Willink all day...

known超过 6 年前

Protect yourself from<pre><code> Machiavellianism(manipulate/deceive others) Psychopathy(lack of remorse/empathy) Sadism(pleasure in suffering of others) Narcissism(egotism/self-obsession)</code></pre>

gaius超过 6 年前

Read the Stoics. Take up an endurance sport.What is mental toughness? It is perspective and belief to step back and realise that the suffering is only temporary and will ultimately be worth having endured.

InGodsName超过 6 年前

Let's say mental toughness = mental harm/abuse resitance.Maybe it's similar to how we develop drug resistance. By exposing yourself to difficult situation which are challenging for your mind, you might develop mental toughness.

shanghaiaway超过 6 年前

Living in China.