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Google Takes Down Artstation Android App for Explicit Content

291 点作者 apersona超过 6 年前

30 条评论

laser超过 6 年前
The suppression of the viewing of the human body in its natural form, especially in art, is one of the deepest perversions of society. It seems so intrinsically tied to the suppression and control of pleasure by institutions seeking dominance over human life. When you control access to the natural pleasures of life, you have control over the motivations and operations of that life. In prior times, when religions were the most powerful rulers of society, taboo ensured obedience to a system that enabled the powerful to rule, while as we so frequently see- violating the taboos beyond reason in far more perverse ways than unrestrained impulse motivates. Now that corporations have so strongly supplanted religion in the ruling of society, the suppression has moved from a place of religious principle, to one of purely pragmatic continuance of the dogma that maintains the status quo. Because why should Google have any philosophical position about the progression of society at all? It has under the conditions of the status quo become dominant, and so perhaps believes that its best interest lies in passively supporting the current system, no matter how fundamentally perverse it may be. But, this is a mistake. I know that Larry Page and Sergey Brin, as well as half of Google, run around naked in the Nevada desert every year, enjoying the beauty and freedom of the human body. So, to command the most powerful corporation in the world, and to know that our natural liberty is better than upholding millennia of repression, yet maintain it for a convenient profit without controversy, is if not evil, at least extraordinarily cowardly. If we want to transition from a society of repression and suffering to one of liberation and bliss, there are fewer more fundamental places to start than in the acceptance of our own natural bodies and the pleasurable practices in which they engage.
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Lazare超过 6 年前
There is a uniquely annoying feeling you get when you see someone powerful being utterly obtuse and wrong in a way that is damaging to others, but can&#x27;t readily be challenged.<p>Everything about this story is just so fundamentally wrongheaded. They&#x27;re enforcing a deeply misguided policy in a way which is both inconsistent and unfair, yet also inept. There&#x27;s just so <i>much</i> wrong here, it&#x27;s hard to even know where to start. They&#x27;re looking for stuff they shouldn&#x27;t, in the wrong places, and doing a horrible job of it. There&#x27;s no <i>reason</i> they should be cracking down on the scourge of random cartoon nipples, but even if there were, they should give content providers who are making good faith efforts to flag content the benefit of the doubt, which clearly they did not for ArtStation. Meanwhile they&#x27;re incorrectly flagging content, but even worse, they&#x27;re <i>not</i> applying this policy to, you know, Reddit, Twitter, Instagram or, you know, Google themselves. Even if we needed to protect people from occasional nudity (and again, we don&#x27;t), this isn&#x27;t even achieving that. It&#x27;s like deciding you need to do something drastic to prevent yourself from starving, so you set your couch on fire, while having a fridge full of food.<p>It&#x27;s all downside; it makes the world a worse place, helps no one, and Google will pay (effectively) no penalty for it.<p>Merry Christmas to us all.
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pmlnr超过 6 年前
In the Tumblr ban threads, people mentioned that all of these companies should simply make their progressive web apps and give the finger to the puritan idiots calling these decisions. I agree.<p>The questions, however, are: how much growth can be achieved without play store&#x2F;ios app? Is it viable? If yes, how? Can art be more important for a site (and it&#x27;s investors), than immediate, quick growth?
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pram超过 6 年前
Serious question: why is Twitter left unscathed? There’s tons of pornography and illicit activity on it. Is it ignored simply because of its size and clout?<p>This feels unjust because the enforcement is seemingly completely arbitrary. Why has Google&#x2F;Apple decided to be puritanical with some things and not others.
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fencepost超过 6 年前
This seems like it could be applied to any app designed to display user-generated content on a single site or family of sites, obviously including Twitter, Reddit, Instagram, Facebook, Snapchat, etc. since I&#x27;m pretty sure it&#x27;s possible to find nudity on any of those just with some casual browsing.<p>Should also probably be applied to Messenger, Hangouts, Skype, Duo, WhatsApp, etc. since I&#x27;m pretty sure there&#x27;s nudity and sexual content on those as well, and you can likely find it pretty easily.<p>For that matter, I&#x27;m pretty sure I can find explicitly sexual content in Chrome running on Android. Has Google considered what a potential disaster this could be for them? Perhaps they should remove Chrome and other general-purpose web browsing apps, or define what it is that makes those applications different from the ones they do ban.<p>On a different note, can this be applied to reverse some annoying things? Does Reddit allow access to &quot;adult&quot; areas in the mobile app and if not do they play the annoying &quot;wouldn&#x27;t you like to use the app instead&quot; in those areas on mobile browsers? Can you bypass that by marking your subreddit as &quot;adult&quot; if you don&#x27;t have a significant volume of under-18 readers?<p>Edit: &quot;Google Android: Like AOL, but with less porn! And we have Candy Crush!&quot;
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pmlnr超过 6 年前
Dear corporations,<p>As an european adult, I&#x27;m ok with adult and explicit content.<p>Leave art alone.
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mattnewton超过 6 年前
I think it’s messed up as a society that women’s bodies are more taboo than shooting people; people are more squeamish around cartoon pictures of breasts than cartoon pictures of people using rifles, and that’s scary to me.<p>I think this is just google enforcing US cultural norms, but it would be great if there was some kind of US public framework companies could use instead of having to make these calls on their own.<p>Disclosure: male google employee in an unrelated part of the company with no insider info. My opinions are my own.
MountainJack超过 6 年前
The same rules obviously do not apply to all players. As there are only two mobile platforms, maybe we need antitrust governance.
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buboard超过 6 年前
I can&#x27;t imagine how harsh it is to take down the entire app because of this. Adsense will also sometimes find sexually suggestive CGI stuff in our website (they re good with virtual nipples!), but they will allow you to appeal and fix it. Tying your entire livelihood in their walled garden has gotten dangerous.
Abishek_Muthian超过 6 年前
&gt;Google’s Vision API doesn’t even flag one of the images as violating<p>We have used AWS&#x27;s Rekognition API for moderation in our dating platform for over 200,000 images per month. As far as nudity detection is concerned; Rekognition performs optimally.<p>I tested it against the Hell Girl image by TB Choi &amp; it detects the nudity[1] &amp; also detects the weapons under general Object&#x2F;scene detection[2].<p>But I would warn against using Rekognition for anything related to gender as it is very biased and would behave indifferently towards people with colored skin. I have raised concerns about the bias in the Rekognition data set with AWS team &amp; also other media outlets have covered it at length.<p>With that being said, I feel sad that we are in a state where such beautiful art should be moderated where as applications exploiting children are being given a free run.<p>[1]:<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;a&#x2F;FyJ5V56" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;a&#x2F;FyJ5V56</a> [2]:<a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;a&#x2F;LlfS7wO" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;imgur.com&#x2F;a&#x2F;LlfS7wO</a>
rayalez超过 6 年前
Somewhat unrelated - ArtStation has a browser extension that randomly opens a random artwork every time you open a new tab, and I highly recommend it, it&#x27;s one of my favorite extensions and a great way to see some stunning artworks, it always brightens my day.<p>On topic - dumb decision, nothing new, not very surprising, waiting for PWAs to get to a point where arbitrary Apple&#x2F;Google rules don&#x27;t matter anymore.
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manfredo超过 6 年前
There&#x27;s a growing class of apps that are clearly intended to be used as image boards, but don&#x27;t actually advertise themselves as being intended for any specific website. One common pattern are apps that require that the user type in a certain domain in order for them to work. Most *chan browser apps in this way. You manually specify a domain and board code, and only then does the app function.<p>I can see this type of scheme increasing, as it puts a degree of indirection between the app itself and the objectionable content. There&#x27;s a stronger element of deniability: the user is the one that&#x27;s navigating to a separate website that hosts objectionable content. The app itself is &quot;clean&quot; so to speak (even though it&#x27;s obviously not the case in practice).
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fulafel超过 6 年前
There&#x27;s a lot of Wikipedia content that would match forbidden content in this policy too.
diminish超过 6 年前
Apple or Google don&#x27;t ban URLs or websites on their Safari or Chrome browsers. Is that due to historical reasons or are there any laws regarding this?
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CamperBob2超过 6 年前
<i>Any sufficiently-dominant corporation is indistinguishable from a government.</i> -- Anonymous<p>Or, apparently, from a church.
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kyriakos超过 6 年前
How about giving users a choice? Proof of age maybe? They could allow apps with questionable content after being warned and proving the users age.
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dsamarin超过 6 年前
Something to note: Reddit is rated M and Instagram is rated T for teen. What was Artstation rated as?
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ReptileMan超过 6 年前
The users can at least sideload it. Unlike appstore.
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Waterluvian超过 6 年前
I love that they call out Google&#x27;s BS. Especially the AI that simply doesn&#x27;t work.
amelius超过 6 年前
But what do you see when you type &quot;sexy naked woman&quot; into Google Image Search?
thinkingemote超过 6 年前
Let&#x27;s hope that this story reaches someone at that company who can actually do something about it, as it seems as if the organization has grown so large that only a few higher managers can affect things.
scoot_718超过 6 年前
They better take down every camera app and internet browser app.
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nottorp超过 6 年前
Hmm looks to me that besides Google spying on us, it&#x27;s even more dangerous that the only two platforms for mobile apps are censored by people with Disney morals. Or American puritan morals, whatever you call them.<p>There are tons of people now whose only internet device is a censored cell phone... looks like we need a third option that is not based in the US.
Lectem超过 6 年前
Looks like ArtStation didn&#x27;t bribe Google like the rest of the big apps like Instagram, Facebook, Twitter... I&#x27;m surprised people forget that Google now IS evil and corrupt, and are just squashing &quot;small&quot; companies in favor of buying or destroying them
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ccnafr超过 6 年前
They&#x27;re making a good point about the comparison to the Reddit app. Their app is harmless.
ashleyn超过 6 年前
I advise Google stop pissing off both conservatives <i>and</i> liberals, or antitrust action will rain down pretty easily.
gaius超过 6 年前
I wonder why the other app showing identical content didn’t get banned, maybe it is a bigger revenue earner for Google?<p>And yes, there is far more of this on Insta.
maxhedrome超过 6 年前
Don’t be evil, we have decided some art is evil, so we have removed it so you don’t have the temptation to be evil.<p>-Google
amelius超过 6 年前
HN title should contain NSFW tag.
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RedPandaTronics超过 6 年前
They are crazy at Google. They banned my game TrumpTweetTrumps, because they said it was pornographic. It contained a mini-game called &#x27;Make Ivanka Come&#x27;, the objective of that mini game was to ring a bell and make Ivanka come to the desk, so her father can get his daughters advise on making policy. Just a comment on the nepotism seen in the current US government, nothing pornographic. Apple are even worse though, they censored like half of the game&#x27;s content on the AppStore, including an actual tweet from Trump. A tweet he sent out on an app he downloaded from the AppStore, i.e. Twitter. And that is accessible through an app promoted in their AppStore, i.e. Twitter. Grab-a-pussy mini-game was also banned and many more, I think on AppStore like half of the 8 mini-games in the App had to be removed or completely changed. I could go on complaining about this forever, but I can&#x27;t be asked to type it all up again, there&#x27;s so many messages being sent back and forth between me and Apple employees on their stupid resolution centre. To sum up, f<i></i>k Google and Apple, your thoughtless policies are not applied consistently (basically if you profit from an app, anything is allowed for that app) and they have a bad impact on society as a whole. Satire can have powerful impacts on people and drive them to do good things. Satire is essential!