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One Man’s Quest to Outrace Wind (2011)

36 点作者 mds超过 6 年前

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newnewpdro超过 6 年前
The last time I read about this [1] was while working at a Silicon Valley startup with a small team of bright software engineers.<p>Most were perplexed by the problem as the URL spread, and the article, in my opinion, did more to confuse than explain. The newer article linked here, which I only skimmed briefly, looked to probably make the situation worse judging from its visual aids.<p>I thought it was obvious and simple to understand (and explain) how this worked:<p>The wind pushes the vehicle via simple drag forces, this alone can accelerate it, eventually approaching the speed of the wind.<p>The vehicle also drives a propeller via its forward motion through a mechanical drivetrain.<p>By spinning, the propellor acts as a forward motion compensator, and the wind will exert force against it even when the vehicle travels at speeds &gt;= the wind.<p>Introducing sailboat-based analogies does not help understand any of this in my opinion, it only serves to confuse the audience. The folks behind developing this vehicle come from a sailing context, which explains why they&#x27;re approaching it from that perspective. For the general public, sailing is not a natural model for reasoning about this stuff.<p>[1] <a href="https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;2010&#x2F;06&#x2F;downwind-faster-than-the-wind&#x2F;" rel="nofollow">https:&#x2F;&#x2F;www.wired.com&#x2F;2010&#x2F;06&#x2F;downwind-faster-than-the-wind&#x2F;</a>
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animatedb超过 6 年前
When I was a kid I used an erector set to make a car that moved directly into the wind using a similar technique. Many people don&#x27;t think that is possible either, but with proper gearing, it works fine.
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caconym_超过 6 年前
Classic. I already knew about this, but the &quot;cylindrical Earth&quot; thought experiment is new to me and as a sailor (lapsed) with a physics degree I have to say I find it immediately convincing. It&#x27;s not controversial that you can sail faster than the wind on some angles, so with a propeller in the mix I don&#x27;t understand why so many smart people were willing to make absolute statements that this is not possible.
LeifCarrotson超过 6 年前
If you can go downwind 3x faster than the wind, can you turn and go perpendicular to the wind using this mechanism? Can you turn again and go directly upwind?<p>At a multiplier of 3x windspeed, it seems like the fact that there&#x27;s wind at all is irrelevant other than to get off the starting line. You&#x27;re generating your own wind power by pushing the propeller through the air. Is this correct?<p>Because if this works other than directly downwind, you have a perpetual motion machine - scale up, drive in a circle, and hook a dynamo to a wheel. Which makes me think I&#x27;ve neglected something somewhere...<p>Edit - from the Wired article:<p><i>&quot;Skeptics think that the wind is turning the prop, and the car is turning the wheels, and that&#x27;s what makes the car go,&quot; Cavallaro said. &quot;That&#x27;s not the case. The wheels are turning the prop. What happens is the prop thrust pushes the vehicle.&quot;</i><p>OK, now I&#x27;m really confused. I thought the prop rotation was screwing through the air slower than the relative airspeed and driving the wheels - now you&#x27;re telling me that the wheels are spinning the prop to produce forward thrust?<p>If he can go from sitting still: wind speed -10, ground speed 0, to W0&#x2F;G10, and accelerate up to W20&#x2F;G30, what happens if the wind drops to 0 mid-run? Can he keep going at W20&#x2F;G20, isn&#x27;t that easier than W20&#x2F;G30?
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andrewflnr超过 6 年前
So my question is, given the cylindrical Earth thought experiment (which I do find quite compelling), why bother with the weird drive train involving the wheels? Putting sails of the right proportion on a propeller shaft should be enough.
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gibolt超过 6 年前
I remember reading this in the physical magazine. Super interesting article around physics and harnessing the wind.<p>Spoiler: They went almost 5x faster than the wind propelling the craft
trhway超过 6 年前
i think sailboat based explanation is useful only to the point. Airplane wing provides better and simpler model outright. It becomes more intuitive when you think how this craft goes straight into the wind (that is what sailboat can&#x27;t do).